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It depends on what you mean by "covenant". God (according to scripture) only allows for divorce in two instances. Now this is an allowance; it does not mean that you are required to divorce, just that you are allowed to.

1. Sexual sin (Matthew 5:32; 19:9). The most common example is infidelity. I believe that persistent sexual refusal falls into that category also (1 Corinthians 7:3-5).

2. Abandonment by an unbeliever (1 Corinthians 7:15). The actual, physical departure of a spouse (they have physically departed from the home) and it has been made clear that they do not intend to return.

Any divorce other than for those two reasons is sin.

If you read 1 Peter 2:19-25, you will see where the Apostle Peter tells us that as Christians, we are all called to suffer in this life and that Christ was our example in how we are to deal with suffering. He tells us that if, out of a conscience for God, we endure suffering for doing what is right, that brings us favor from God.

In the very next breath, he tells wives to submit to their husbands and to treat them with good and respectful behavior, even if the husband is being disobedient to the word, and (in the same way as a slave to a bad master) even if it causes her to suffer. Wives are told that this is the way that a (disobedient) husband might be won over as he observes your good and respectful behavior.

But it only brings favor from God if you are suffering for doing what is right (what God tells you to do). If you are suffering for doing what is wrong (sin), you are just bringing the suffering upon yourself and you are getting what you deserve.

If you divorce your husband for any other reason than the two that God allows for, you will be in sin and just bring more suffering on yourself and your family.

Question is, are you really a believer in God? (1 John 2:3-4)

Do you love Him enough to obey him? (John 14:15)

"For in this way in former times the holy women also, who hoped in God, used to adorn themselves, being submissive to their own husbands; just as Sarah obeyed Abraham, calling him lord, and you have become her children if you do what is right without being frightened by any fear." (1 Peter 3:5-6)

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"Anyhow, this is yet another reminder of the intrinsic eucivilizational superiority of Christian culture. Whether it is the concept of Man being fallen, the principle of forgiveness, or the fear of Divine judgment, a Christian woman is far more likely to refrain from the temptations to blow up her marriage than a non-Christian woman."

Conspicuous by omission: "obey".

There's quite a bit on Marital relationships in the Bible worth investigating, with a good translation and study of what words meant in ancient times!

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Where do we get the data for marriages versus divorces? Seems mostly it's been simplistic, based on the ratio of divorces to marriages in a given year, which does not track marriages themselves. That's the only way I can see to measure the failure rate, not boomer summaries like "half of all end in divorce" BS.

I think whatever rate is out there now will be so skewed because of the dearth of new marriages the past decade or so. Really serious social flaw.

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What a moronic misogynistic post.

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Always nice to hear from the retards. Perhaps you just need another antidepressant.

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Highly insightful and original comment. Not sure what we would do without your contribution!

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Some really on-target observations. Some I've come to myself. My marriage was like the one in your example. Except that my ex would take out her frustrations on our adopted son (not our genetic daughter). She'd start with him, and when I came to his aid, she'd go for me. I had to break up our marriage to save him. I could write a book. Actually, I have. But with women now running publishing, I don't know if I'll ever find a house for it.

Fascinating post!

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Hormones. Prevents rational thinking and causes some women to get violent or combative.

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https://thomasfmonteleone.substack.com/

Thx for not being able to speak the truth

TFM

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I've noticed one of the key times in a marriage that the woman will end it for no reason is within a few years after she has her last child. When she decides she's done breeding she usually finds a reason to kick the sperm donor dad to the curb. After all, she doesn't want to have sex with him any more, but he's still around wanting it and trying for it, and she can just take his money through the courts. And she doesn't care about destroying the kids, she bred them, that's all she cares about.

Just had a friend of a friend going through this. Wife hit him with it "out of nowhere." Felt for the dude but I've seen it happen so many times with other guys its like clockwork for secular wives.

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It is an interesting story, how divorce law was subverted.

The when and how is sickening enough. The who and why, that's beyond most people's comprehension.

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Bingo. And it's right around when the kid(s) reach age 5-7. They can dress themselves, go to the bathroom and even feed themselves if they have to. It's also the time when they need mommy a little less and dad a little more.

I met an older lady who did this; she went on to say her kids were grown and, surprise surprise, her son turned out gay. Got nothing to do with genetics.

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Meh. A lot of men demonstrate pathetic levels of optimism, faith, and discipline. My 29 year old ex-husband joined the military and I held our household down while he was gone for over a year in training. When he returned, I clearly communicated the number of months I could fully support us and how much cash I had on hand. That time came and went and he was unwilling to talk about whether or not he could contribute to our bills and he was unwilling to talk about a budget. He *could not* get his spending under control and he made more money than I did. Constantly begging him to make a budget with me. Leaving for work before he woke up and coming home late to find him playing his video games. Eventually, I just lost my endurance. Less than 3 months after our divorce was finalized he had a one-night-stand with a rich older widow and he is now a stay at home dad. I was not what that man wanted and that is OK.

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Man, or tall child?

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Too much generalizing in this example. Lack of substance and depth regarding the actual relationship between this couple. Seems as though neither spouse was communicating and attending to each other’s needs. But the woman explodes and the end of the marriage is her fault? I mean, maybe it is her fault, but there is too little information here to say for sure. It sounds like the husband’s effort or lack thereof is not even a consideration.

As a Christian woman who married a man who is a non-practicing Christian and is now going through a divorce, which I initiated after 25 years of an unhealthy marriage, I think this post is making too many assumptions. What if a Christian woman is trying to grow spiritually and live a Christian life but her husband is not on board? What if one spouse wants to work to improve the marriage and grow the relationship but the other is content with dysfunction? What if one spouse does not want her children to go on to unhealthy relationships themselves, thinking this is normal and ok? Divorce was my last resort. And not one single female friend of mine who knew about the situation (and there weren’t many) pushed me towards it. Not one. I made the decision on my own. Independently. I can’t speak for other women, but it is offensive to be told that I can’t make this decision on my own and in the best interest of myself (and my family). Each marriage and relationship is separate and unique from all other marriages. And I agree that many marriages end recklessly and unnecessarily, but I also see a lot of judgment here from those who have NO idea what goes on behind closed doors. Why do we assume to know and understand what is going on in the hearts of others? For those who are in healthy, happy relationships, I pray you never take advantage of the blessing you have and always strive to keep it that way!

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You call yourself a Christian yet you do not obey the word.

"In the same way, you wives, be submissive to your own husbands so that even if any of them are disobedient to the word, they may be won without a word by the behavior of their wives, as they observe your chaste and respectful behavior. " (1 Peter 3:1-2)

This is what the bible has to say about those who call themselves Christian but do not obey.

"By this we know that we have come to know Him, if we keep His commandments. The one who says, “I have come to know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him; " (1 John 2:3-4)

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I will leave it up to the Lord to be my judge. I don’t believe He wants any of His children to remain in companionship with fools. Proverbs 13:20b “The companion of fools will be destroyed.” My “fool” refused to seek God and his counsel after respectful pleading. I could not continue to stand by his side while he chose to willfully disobey and destroy his family. Only the Lord knows my heart and He will deal with me accordingly.

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Well if you notice that the verse I quoted in 1 Peter starts out with "In the same way"... I encourage you to go back to 1 Peter 2:13 and read what Peter is referring to before he gives New Testament Wives those instructions. It adds a lot of context.

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How does this apply when the husband breaks the covenant of marriage and is not repentant?

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It depends on what you mean by "covenant". God (according to scripture) only allows for divorce in two instances. Now this is an allowance; it does not mean that you are required to divorce, just that you are allowed to.

1. Sexual sin (Matthew 5:32; 19:9). The most common example is infidelity. I believe that persistent sexual refusal falls into that category also (1 Corinthians 7:3-5).

2. Abandonment by an unbeliever (1 Corinthians 7:15). The actual, physical departure of a spouse (they have physically departed from the home) and it has been made clear that they do not intend to return.

Any divorce other than for those two reasons is sin.

If you read 1 Peter 2:19-25, you will see where the Apostle Peter tells us that as Christians, we are all called to suffer in this life and that Christ was our example in how we are to deal with suffering. He tells us that if, out of a conscience for God, we endure suffering for doing what is right, that brings us favor from God.

In the very next breath, he tells wives to submit to their husbands and to treat them with good and respectful behavior, even if the husband is being disobedient to the word, and (in the same way as a slave to a bad master) even if it causes her to suffer. Wives are told that this is the way that a (disobedient) husband might be won over as he observes your good and respectful behavior.

But it only brings favor from God if you are suffering for doing what is right (what God tells you to do). If you are suffering for doing what is wrong (sin), you are just bringing the suffering upon yourself and you are getting what you deserve.

If you divorce your husband for any other reason than the two that God allows for, you will be in sin and just bring more suffering on yourself and your family.

Question is, are you really a believer in God? (1 John 2:3-4)

Do you love Him enough to obey him? (John 14:15)

"For in this way in former times the holy women also, who hoped in God, used to adorn themselves, being submissive to their own husbands; just as Sarah obeyed Abraham, calling him lord, and you have become her children if you do what is right without being frightened by any fear." (1 Peter 3:5-6)

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Yes, if the woman explodes and declares the marriage to be over, then the end of the marriage is her fault. I understand that women hate accountability and responsibility, but no amount of ex post facto rationalization and justification is going to change the fact that you, and only you, are responsible for your actions.

I'm not saying that your actions were not your best and wisest course of action. But whether they were or not, you are solely responsible for them. You appear to understand that about your own marriage, why do you reject that about this other woman's?

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Women do not hate accountability and responsibility. That's neither rational nor true.

What women hate is having to shoulder all the responsibility while their husband pretends he's still a teenager. Which you're encouraging with your incredibly nonhelpful advice to *walk away from his responsibilities*. Who's afraid of accountability and responsibility again?

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Then you married a teenager. And its back being your responsibility to pick like an adult.

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I don’t reject it. I just don’t have enough information to know that the husband did not have a role in the demise of the marriage. I’m struggling with your generalizations (“women hate accountability and responsibility...). I’m coming out of a marriage where the opposite is true. Yet I don’t believe all men hate accountability. I believe it has more to do with one’s faith and character than their sex.

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By her own admission, in the quote, the woman "never addressed it with him" and was just passively-aggressively resentful. She did not take responsibility to properly communicate how she was feeling.

Apparently, women believe men are such superior beings that they are all telepathic.

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No, it’s just that we are only seeing one side of the whole story here. That’s my point.

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It doesn't matter that we are only seeing one side because it is *her* side. If she were blaming her husband, or if it was him writing to blame her, then we would want to get the "other side". As it is, her own side shows she ended the marriage (even if it is clear he wasn't perfect).

But the point of this essay isn't about this one woman's story - the point is that in many (not all) cases where the woman asks for a divorce, the reasons she does so aren't great.

Saying this actually benefits women, because women who divorce for bad reasons usually come to regret it.

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Valid point

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The example was specific enough. The mother was a stay at home one so her material needs likely were being met. She admits to the nagging and ending it, so she is culpable. There was enough information.

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Oh, she is culpable. She is culpable of never communicating her resentment to her husband. She is culpable of accusing him of things she didn’t even believe about him. But if love is strong and mutual, two devoted spouses could work through those issues. Seems likely both spouses were not holding up their end of the bargain.

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You left out the most important culpability: she is culpable of ending the marriage. He did nothing more than accept her decision.

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He did quite a lot by abdicating his responsibility to his family. That's reason enough for a divorce right there and entirely his fault.

Again, accept some responsibility for your own mistakes, man-child.

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Accept some responsibilities?!? What the heck are you talking about?

The man (OP) was working hard enough to provide 100% for the family. In this day and age that is no small feat. Why is that not enough? Women these days have every modern technological advantage possible from washing machines to electric ovens to dishwashers and even robot vacuum cleaners! Not to mention all of the prepared food at the grocery stores they can take advantage of.

Even women with more than one small child should EASILY be able to take care of the domestic household duties without the help of her husband. It is feminism that has lied to women and deceived them into having unrealistic, even delusional expectations.

The truth is, women today are spoiled and lazy! No matter how good they have it, they are never happy. That husband could have been working to provide 100% and then coming home and spending 4 hours each night doing housework and bathing and putting the kids to bed and she would still grow unhappy because of her unrealistic expectations.

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Vox Day specifically suggested that men abdicate their responsibilities when their wives complain about their lack of participation in family life and chores. As a single mom, I know exactly what that feels like, and have watched it happen time and time again to the mothers of my acquaintance.

You have a very outdated notion of what a good marriage looks like. Men who come home from work and do literally nothing to help are leaving 100% of the work in the marriage to their wives. That’s beyond childish. A man’s responsibility to his family does not end when he leaves work.

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Step away from your responsibilities as a father because your wife blew up at you? No. That is an inappropriate response. Your responsibilities to your children don’t end when you and your wife are having problems.

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Of course a man should step away from a job where he isn't getting paid anymore.

If I get fired from a job due to a bullshit-emotional-reason, then I quit working there. If I get no salary anymore, I quit working. Why would I continue to work for nothing, why?! If the woman stops being a wife with a good attitude, and if she starts a divorce, then he should and must leave. For his sake. It is the most appropriate response there is. And she is a moron, if she chooses divorce, if she is so psychologically repulsive by removing her children's father.

If you want the man to be a father and a husband, then be a wife and a mother. If you want his money, give him coffee. With a good attitude. This shouldn't be complex.

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Read the article, not what you imagine in your head. If a woman has an argument with her husband it's one thing. If she blows up their marriage, since the courts are 100% in her favour anyway, the man should absolutely simply move on and let her deal with the entirety of the wreckage. Is it fair on the children? No. Was it the husband's choice? Also no. Actions have consequences. Govern yourself accordingly.

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A lot of social media seems geared towards validating women's dissatisfaction with, well everything.

It's almost as if it's deliberate.

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There are two problems here: Menopause and a terrible friendship group. Pay attention to the kind of company your wife keeps. And if she's in her late 40s/50s and blows up like this, schedule a doctor's appointment for her.

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Marriage for Christian women and men is a sacrament, not just a contract, and it's a call to virtue and holiness. In being a sacrament it confers grace. In saying that, grace builds upon nature and there could always be better communication between many spouses and a common goal, meaning both the husband and the wife are on the same page from the outset.

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That is what it is supposed to be but that does not seem to stop so called "Christian" wives from blowing up their marriages and the churches seem to support them in it.

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A man will Sacrifice his happiness for his Family; a woman will Sacrifice her Family for her happiness...

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