P*rn has been such a huge net negative on society, freedom of speech should be dismantled and blasphemy laws restored based on its track record.
Dating apps put one of the last nails in the coffin. I don't even know how to tell modern people how to date outside of go to a Catholic community that actually believes and preaches the truth, and find a spouse.
Also, ruthlessly cut gammas out of your life. But that should be a given now
The gamma's ultimate error is that he sees women as "things" or "ideas", rather than actual human beings in all their mundanity. This is the mistake many, if not most, people make when they have little intimate experience with the opposite sex. I think it's the primary reason why infatuation happens.
What value do modern American women bring to a relationship? They're uninterested in homemaking. They don't know how to cook. And many aren't particularly fond of children. What incentive is left for a man besides physical attraction?
Well, for starters "modern American women" is a over generalization, that applies to many but not all. I became disillusioned with modern liberalism after discovering feminism was a lie. I was a moderate and my husband worked with me overtime, slowly challenging my long held beliefs. First he showed me how the media lied about Trump then race hoaxes and I realized the last liberal friends I had left became hostile and mean when I stated facts like "Trayvon Martin was a hoax" and "transgenders are still their biological sex."
From there, my husband told me I could be a homemaker and a home schooler. I didn't even know what those things were and I could literally only make breakfast and chicken and rice.
I became Catholic along the way, as well.
I'd say find a moderate woman who's on the fence about the modern western world.
There are literally panels in Hypergamouse of Doof saying these exact same things. Think about that for a minute.
Now the serious lesson. The purpose isn't to save all women. It isn't to "make things better." That isn't going to happen. Being savvy about life is about YOU. It's about YOU finding a good woman. Yes the odds are stacked against YOU. However the purpose is for YOU to work hard to find one of the few and have a good life. It requires a lot of effort and maybe you don't have what it takes to overcome the odds. They say that historically only 40% of men ever successfully reproduced. The only question is do you want to be a statistic or not?
Agreed, men can't fix women. Instead, a man has to focus on purpose, and the purpose is procreation. He has to lower his expectations, find a relatively decent woman, and procreate. If, unfortunately, the relationship fails, he should live physically close to his offspring to support and raise them to the best of his ability.
To some extent, everyone lives in a relationship delusion bubble, because everyone is shooting for the stars, wanting the absolute best partner they can acquire.
Grounding yourself in reality is simple if you use, and accept, the following formula:
If you're a man, take the average rating
you've slept with(exclude working girls). That's your central tendency value.
If you're a woman, take the average rating of men who've committed to you in a relationship (exclude booty calls). That's your central tendency value.
FOR FUTURE RELATIONSHIPS
Lower than your average = You can demand a lot more from your partner.
Approximately your average = Conventional relationship, typical squabbles.
Higher than your average = You must work extra hard, provide more benefits, because YOU are lower value.
For men seeking higher value, that means paying her rent or bills, offering world travels, or providing other costly benefits that makes her say "There's just something about him that I love. He has such a giving heart."
For women seeking higher value that means being extra agreeable, providing domestic comforts, and making his favorite bourbon drink with a side of BJ on a regular basis. This makes him say, "She's such a nurturing, loving person. I appreciate her so much."
Cynical? Maybe, but at least it's a functional, practical framework.
This is exactly why it's so important for people these days, especially young men, to go outside and do real things and have real experiences with real people. Or as us Gen Zers like to say, "Touch grass." To live exclusively online is, like Vox said, to live in the Matrix. And while it might be easy and comfortable, it sharply limits the ability of a person to have the experiences necessary to facilitate genuine growth. So anyone who compares the real women he never meets to the fake women who don't exist, like Doof does, is literally comparing something they know nothing about to something that is rooted in fantasy.
So if you have absolutely no plans this week outside of your normal obligations, go make some. Go see a movie. Go to a restaurant or bar. Call a friend and invite them to hang out. Go touch grass. It's surprising how much of the world you'll see just by a single venture outside your house.
I do, unfortunately. A young man on a server I also frequent who often laments that he can't find a girl friend, but every single example of what he "wants in a girl" is a cartoon character from an anime. And it goes completely over his head when other grown men on the server warn him that this is not even close to realistic expectations.
I know a few young men who are sadly in a fairway to be like Doof. The worst part is they're from church youth groups I used to be part of, and there's no good guidance for them there.
I do. Mid 30s, he's never been married & I've never seen him with a girl. He's pretty much always slouching, lacks any drive, he often complains. I honestly can't recall any time he had anything good or uplifting to talk about. Everyone tries to avoid him at family gatherings. He's definitely not low IQ, but he's not nearly as smart as he thinks he is. He's very critical of Christianity, going on and on about how dumb Christians are. I got the impression he was an atheist, but it looks like watching Jordan Peterson videos converted him to a gnostic of sort.
<<Raises hand>> Several. But then, my day job is IT for a federal contractor and my side job is performing at Renaissance faires. It’s a target-rich environment.
Most of the Doofs are better off deluded. The modal Anglo woman is both out of his league and broken - mentally and physically. Were he to change his behavioural patterns for the better he would be joining the masochistic competition for overweight/masculine women. Neither sex drive nor attraction triggers are a choice. Sexual selection in Anglo countries is brutal on the male side. There is no magic rule that reality has to be more survivable for the low status than their prior delusions. Improving personal SMV dosen't fix a broken market. Happily some other societies are less screwed up.
No. Staying a Gamma is what makes him having to compete for overweight/masculine women. Modifying his behavioral patterns is what allows him to compete for higher status women.
Why pursue modern Anglo women? I know quite a few young Anglas who are quite marreagable in my county. Highly religious circles have such young women turning 18 every day. If looking for a specific race or type of woman, go where they are. That simple!
One thing I wished low-SSH men would stop doing is looking in vain for a woman that already ticks enough of the boxes to where the man doesn't have to influence and guide her in any way shape or form. If you can lead a woman she's more likely than not to adopt your beliefs as her own. TLDR: Stop complaining and learn to lead.
There’s that too. Most Western men, let alone irreligious ones like him, very rarely even realize they need to lead, or understand how to do it properly, infected as they are with liberal and feminist ideas. The previous two(!) stories on here about collapsing marriages being cases in point.
He should do something about that first and then work from there. To stop dismissing Christianity as irrelevant would be a good first step.
I cannot disagree strongly enough. I have three Anglo sisters in my state, and each of them is perfectly agreeable, kind, moral, and willing to be a man's partner for life. One of them is married to a good Christian guy. The other is nearly engaged to another strong Christian. Neither of those guys have much game.
A Christian man with good game would not have a problem finding a loyal, loving wife in my social circles. The broken market only makes the deal more difficult to find. But our race has had trouble before, and far worse than these we face now.
I have no reason to doubt your anecdote. Not sure what the significance of Christianity is to observable trends such as birth rates in largely Heathen societies. We are dealing in Doofs not 'A Christian man with good game'
Only to offset a common trope I see online. There's a large pool of untapped women and a lot of doom and gloom coming from people who treat Tinder girls like the average woman.
But I know several who are literally just sitting around, feminine satellites waiting to find a masculine body to orbit, and it's not too hard to get them once you go looking. So that's my point. The Doofs are not better off deluded. The women, while out of his league, are not inherently so, and if he practiced game and self mastery he is more than capable of taking a good woman.
What I’m noticing on the online world is the popularization of harems. The way attention is so unequally distributed to those with high status, combined with female competition to get the attention of high status males, high status males are starting to develop harems. It’s like the more power we give to women the more unequal the outcome is. Women are simply choosing partial attention from high status males over full attention from middle and low status males.
Women approaching men overtly is vanishingly rare -social cost is usually too high for her. And most men are oblivious to the subtle covert signals. Attraction of men to women isnt a choice its instinctual. This means there is a hard wired threshold for each man.
I’ve made a habit of talking to old happily married couples and how they met. The story always begins with, I noticed her, then I approached her. I’ve never found a couple where this was reversed.
You can find older posts that invite female comments about being related to the various ranks (Alpha widows, wives of deltas, mothers of Gammas, etc). Light on the Shore has disappeared from Substack, which is a shame because she had a lot of helpful insights but there are plenty of other comments which might be of interest regarding the female side of SSH.
Female hierarchy is...not readily apparent. A while back, a female reader guest post gave her primilinary outline of what the female hierarchy might be. It was hubs and wheels and beads and nothing like the SSH.
So Yuki is so adorable bc she doesn't know how attractive she is? I take it this is a desirable trait because it makes her approachable by this schlub? It comes across as more than a little creepy. He's describing a very child like woman. Unles they're young and sheltered or very damaged, women know when they attract male attention.
It's about the consumer of the universe. Yuki is adorable, attractive and the opposite of demanding and threatening to men, because it's about safety. Yuki is never rejecting him for anything. The schlub doesn't have to be afraid of that.
And yes, the more damaged you are, the more safety you need. The problem with real and good solutions, such as real theology, sports or decent therapy, it's that those things expect you to work.
There isn't a version of 50 Shades of Grey, where the plain girl isn't thin enough. In fantasy for her, the guy is so in love with her, that she can't be rejected for being too middle class. In fantasy, the perfect man is so loyal, that any fear of leaving her to be a helpless single mother ceases to exist. There isn't an unsafe version of romantic comedy, where the woman doesn't get to marry the man of her dreams.
It's a fantasy that Deltas harbor as well to some extent. The beautiful woman who doesn't know how beautiful she is poses less of a threat to the low status man as she is more likely to settle for him and less likely to realize she could do better and leave him.
I've seen the sheltered aspect, where sheltered could be the whole town.
The most recent places were Copenhagen in Denmark, Korčula in Croatia and Lyon in France. Those places felt like there was this invisible barrier preventing anyone below a 5 in attractiveness level from being able to settle there.
Lyon stood out the most in that it the people there were starkly more attractive than in Paris or Geneva, a mere 2 hours away.
The longstanding stereotype has been that California has pretty people and Texas has fat people. Although I wouldn't be surprised if the covid period and Democrats otherwise going completely insane is changing that.
Says chat GPT when Biden Asked the loaded question
P*rn has been such a huge net negative on society, freedom of speech should be dismantled and blasphemy laws restored based on its track record.
Dating apps put one of the last nails in the coffin. I don't even know how to tell modern people how to date outside of go to a Catholic community that actually believes and preaches the truth, and find a spouse.
Also, ruthlessly cut gammas out of your life. But that should be a given now
I fouñd this amusing and intriguing simultaneously😅, I really love the way you put these things.
The gamma's ultimate error is that he sees women as "things" or "ideas", rather than actual human beings in all their mundanity. This is the mistake many, if not most, people make when they have little intimate experience with the opposite sex. I think it's the primary reason why infatuation happens.
What value do modern American women bring to a relationship? They're uninterested in homemaking. They don't know how to cook. And many aren't particularly fond of children. What incentive is left for a man besides physical attraction?
Well, for starters "modern American women" is a over generalization, that applies to many but not all. I became disillusioned with modern liberalism after discovering feminism was a lie. I was a moderate and my husband worked with me overtime, slowly challenging my long held beliefs. First he showed me how the media lied about Trump then race hoaxes and I realized the last liberal friends I had left became hostile and mean when I stated facts like "Trayvon Martin was a hoax" and "transgenders are still their biological sex."
From there, my husband told me I could be a homemaker and a home schooler. I didn't even know what those things were and I could literally only make breakfast and chicken and rice.
I became Catholic along the way, as well.
I'd say find a moderate woman who's on the fence about the modern western world.
The future of America belongs to the children of men who will make women out of the American ladies.
It's not going to be easy, but that's where one earns glory.
There are literally panels in Hypergamouse of Doof saying these exact same things. Think about that for a minute.
Now the serious lesson. The purpose isn't to save all women. It isn't to "make things better." That isn't going to happen. Being savvy about life is about YOU. It's about YOU finding a good woman. Yes the odds are stacked against YOU. However the purpose is for YOU to work hard to find one of the few and have a good life. It requires a lot of effort and maybe you don't have what it takes to overcome the odds. They say that historically only 40% of men ever successfully reproduced. The only question is do you want to be a statistic or not?
Agreed, men can't fix women. Instead, a man has to focus on purpose, and the purpose is procreation. He has to lower his expectations, find a relatively decent woman, and procreate. If, unfortunately, the relationship fails, he should live physically close to his offspring to support and raise them to the best of his ability.
Here's a good gamma anthem.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HWgCFGLAQy8&pp=ygUMaW4gbXkgZHJlYW1z
Aim for better. Not for the best. And do what one can to raise for one's own value.
Or in other words "Don't make the perfect the enemy of the Good or Better"
To some extent, everyone lives in a relationship delusion bubble, because everyone is shooting for the stars, wanting the absolute best partner they can acquire.
Grounding yourself in reality is simple if you use, and accept, the following formula:
If you're a man, take the average rating
you've slept with(exclude working girls). That's your central tendency value.
If you're a woman, take the average rating of men who've committed to you in a relationship (exclude booty calls). That's your central tendency value.
FOR FUTURE RELATIONSHIPS
Lower than your average = You can demand a lot more from your partner.
Approximately your average = Conventional relationship, typical squabbles.
Higher than your average = You must work extra hard, provide more benefits, because YOU are lower value.
For men seeking higher value, that means paying her rent or bills, offering world travels, or providing other costly benefits that makes her say "There's just something about him that I love. He has such a giving heart."
For women seeking higher value that means being extra agreeable, providing domestic comforts, and making his favorite bourbon drink with a side of BJ on a regular basis. This makes him say, "She's such a nurturing, loving person. I appreciate her so much."
Cynical? Maybe, but at least it's a functional, practical framework.
This is exactly why it's so important for people these days, especially young men, to go outside and do real things and have real experiences with real people. Or as us Gen Zers like to say, "Touch grass." To live exclusively online is, like Vox said, to live in the Matrix. And while it might be easy and comfortable, it sharply limits the ability of a person to have the experiences necessary to facilitate genuine growth. So anyone who compares the real women he never meets to the fake women who don't exist, like Doof does, is literally comparing something they know nothing about to something that is rooted in fantasy.
So if you have absolutely no plans this week outside of your normal obligations, go make some. Go see a movie. Go to a restaurant or bar. Call a friend and invite them to hang out. Go touch grass. It's surprising how much of the world you'll see just by a single venture outside your house.
I’m confident that these characters are based on the author’s real world experience, but how many of you currently know someone like Doof?
I do, unfortunately. A young man on a server I also frequent who often laments that he can't find a girl friend, but every single example of what he "wants in a girl" is a cartoon character from an anime. And it goes completely over his head when other grown men on the server warn him that this is not even close to realistic expectations.
I know a few young men who are sadly in a fairway to be like Doof. The worst part is they're from church youth groups I used to be part of, and there's no good guidance for them there.
I do. Mid 30s, he's never been married & I've never seen him with a girl. He's pretty much always slouching, lacks any drive, he often complains. I honestly can't recall any time he had anything good or uplifting to talk about. Everyone tries to avoid him at family gatherings. He's definitely not low IQ, but he's not nearly as smart as he thinks he is. He's very critical of Christianity, going on and on about how dumb Christians are. I got the impression he was an atheist, but it looks like watching Jordan Peterson videos converted him to a gnostic of sort.
Did I mention he's a Jordan Peterson fan?
Knew quite a few in college. These days, I keep a much smaller circle.
I was just told that a substantial portion of the white people in Japan are Doofs. (Of both sexes.)
I have heard many normal-seeming guys talk about porn actresses like Doof does.
Women know more Doofs then the average guy. As a guy, if you play mmos you'll come in contact with them. Otherwise , doubt it.
<<Raises hand>> Several. But then, my day job is IT for a federal contractor and my side job is performing at Renaissance faires. It’s a target-rich environment.
Most of the Doofs are better off deluded. The modal Anglo woman is both out of his league and broken - mentally and physically. Were he to change his behavioural patterns for the better he would be joining the masochistic competition for overweight/masculine women. Neither sex drive nor attraction triggers are a choice. Sexual selection in Anglo countries is brutal on the male side. There is no magic rule that reality has to be more survivable for the low status than their prior delusions. Improving personal SMV dosen't fix a broken market. Happily some other societies are less screwed up.
No. Staying a Gamma is what makes him having to compete for overweight/masculine women. Modifying his behavioral patterns is what allows him to compete for higher status women.
Doofs aren't competing for anyone as they are deluded/invisible. It's a question of numbers/market availability not character.
Why pursue modern Anglo women? I know quite a few young Anglas who are quite marreagable in my county. Highly religious circles have such young women turning 18 every day. If looking for a specific race or type of woman, go where they are. That simple!
England doesn’t have very many religious native whites at all. Imagine you’re stuck in a country-sized Portland or Seattle.
One thing I wished low-SSH men would stop doing is looking in vain for a woman that already ticks enough of the boxes to where the man doesn't have to influence and guide her in any way shape or form. If you can lead a woman she's more likely than not to adopt your beliefs as her own. TLDR: Stop complaining and learn to lead.
I'd like to add: it worked on me! That's how I was converted.
There’s that too. Most Western men, let alone irreligious ones like him, very rarely even realize they need to lead, or understand how to do it properly, infected as they are with liberal and feminist ideas. The previous two(!) stories on here about collapsing marriages being cases in point.
He should do something about that first and then work from there. To stop dismissing Christianity as irrelevant would be a good first step.
Hello Doof
I cannot disagree strongly enough. I have three Anglo sisters in my state, and each of them is perfectly agreeable, kind, moral, and willing to be a man's partner for life. One of them is married to a good Christian guy. The other is nearly engaged to another strong Christian. Neither of those guys have much game.
A Christian man with good game would not have a problem finding a loyal, loving wife in my social circles. The broken market only makes the deal more difficult to find. But our race has had trouble before, and far worse than these we face now.
I have no reason to doubt your anecdote. Not sure what the significance of Christianity is to observable trends such as birth rates in largely Heathen societies. We are dealing in Doofs not 'A Christian man with good game'
Only to offset a common trope I see online. There's a large pool of untapped women and a lot of doom and gloom coming from people who treat Tinder girls like the average woman.
But I know several who are literally just sitting around, feminine satellites waiting to find a masculine body to orbit, and it's not too hard to get them once you go looking. So that's my point. The Doofs are not better off deluded. The women, while out of his league, are not inherently so, and if he practiced game and self mastery he is more than capable of taking a good woman.
Elegantly written. Maybe UK is more broken than
parts of USA.
The UK is definitely much more godless than the US; I'm sure this has an impact on the culture.
What I’m noticing on the online world is the popularization of harems. The way attention is so unequally distributed to those with high status, combined with female competition to get the attention of high status males, high status males are starting to develop harems. It’s like the more power we give to women the more unequal the outcome is. Women are simply choosing partial attention from high status males over full attention from middle and low status males.
Harems are nothing new. The high status guys enjoy access and women love to give it. If you’re single, I recommend it.
"The quality of the members of the opposite sex attracted to you is directly proportional to how attractive you are." - Vox Day, Saturday, 12-Oct-2024
This... this right here is the unvarnished truth. Live by it, and you'll save yourself a lot of wasted time and fruitless effort.
And this... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnpILIIo9ek is a great tune to play while driving.
Doof's dismissal of real women is obviously sour grapes. If any of them actually came on to him, he'd be drowning in a pool of his own drool.
Yeah, there's an episode where exactly that happens.
Women approaching men overtly is vanishingly rare -social cost is usually too high for her. And most men are oblivious to the subtle covert signals. Attraction of men to women isnt a choice its instinctual. This means there is a hard wired threshold for each man.
I’ve made a habit of talking to old happily married couples and how they met. The story always begins with, I noticed her, then I approached her. I’ve never found a couple where this was reversed.
https://www.arkhaven.com/comics/comedy/hypergamouse/108-mice-going-own-way-108
The little series about Doof going on a real date was hysterical.
Dear Vox, if you haven't already, will you please do an article about the various female archetypes?
I would love to know your thoughts about them
(e.g. alpha females, bravo females, gamma females etc. )
You can find older posts that invite female comments about being related to the various ranks (Alpha widows, wives of deltas, mothers of Gammas, etc). Light on the Shore has disappeared from Substack, which is a shame because she had a lot of helpful insights but there are plenty of other comments which might be of interest regarding the female side of SSH.
No.
New here, huh?
Hilarious
Though women have their own ranking system & ways they work amongst themselves, there is no such thing as "female ssh."
Female hierarchy is...not readily apparent. A while back, a female reader guest post gave her primilinary outline of what the female hierarchy might be. It was hubs and wheels and beads and nothing like the SSH.
You need to read more of the 'stack.
So Yuki is so adorable bc she doesn't know how attractive she is? I take it this is a desirable trait because it makes her approachable by this schlub? It comes across as more than a little creepy. He's describing a very child like woman. Unles they're young and sheltered or very damaged, women know when they attract male attention.
It's about the consumer of the universe. Yuki is adorable, attractive and the opposite of demanding and threatening to men, because it's about safety. Yuki is never rejecting him for anything. The schlub doesn't have to be afraid of that.
And yes, the more damaged you are, the more safety you need. The problem with real and good solutions, such as real theology, sports or decent therapy, it's that those things expect you to work.
There isn't a version of 50 Shades of Grey, where the plain girl isn't thin enough. In fantasy for her, the guy is so in love with her, that she can't be rejected for being too middle class. In fantasy, the perfect man is so loyal, that any fear of leaving her to be a helpless single mother ceases to exist. There isn't an unsafe version of romantic comedy, where the woman doesn't get to marry the man of her dreams.
It's a fantasy that Deltas harbor as well to some extent. The beautiful woman who doesn't know how beautiful she is poses less of a threat to the low status man as she is more likely to settle for him and less likely to realize she could do better and leave him.
I've seen the sheltered aspect, where sheltered could be the whole town.
The most recent places were Copenhagen in Denmark, Korčula in Croatia and Lyon in France. Those places felt like there was this invisible barrier preventing anyone below a 5 in attractiveness level from being able to settle there.
Lyon stood out the most in that it the people there were starkly more attractive than in Paris or Geneva, a mere 2 hours away.
We have that in Texas. You go out of state and all of a sudden you notice there's no pretty people
The longstanding stereotype has been that California has pretty people and Texas has fat people. Although I wouldn't be surprised if the covid period and Democrats otherwise going completely insane is changing that.
If anything, there are more pretty people here with all the Californians moving in. We've been inundated
I’m not anti-Californian. I’m anti-termite.