The comments below such posts are gold. 70 % fan fiction.
"My wife once nagged me about not having mown the lawn. I just told her 'Shut up and get me a beer!'. That turned her on in a way that made her drop her pants immediately and we did it five times in a row on the kitchen table. Afterwards I drove to my girlfriend. I think I am some strange mix of Alpha and Sigma."
Alpha response to wife storming off into another room after argument and slamming the door behind her: starts playing song that played on their first date. A few moments later wife comes out apologetically and runs into his arms.
For just £1/$50 American i give you paper 'ALPHA CERTIFICATE' it confirm alpha statuses. Put on wall, put on desk in works, pin to forehead...NO ONE in big success future doubt you STATUS. Friend..Colleague in works..Lady womans...MANY IMPRESSED
Does anybody know or happens to be a psychologist or councilor of some sort that does phone consults and is specifically good at giving advice and guidance for the workplace? I'm really bad at talking to my supervisors about issues I'm having at work, or confrontation in general? It would be good to have someone to chat to when I am having an issues that can give me guidance on how to go about solving it before I put my foot in my mouth.
Would be good if this person was involved in this sort of community.
The first question answered explains a lot to me. When I met my boss’s, boss’s, boss for the first time he introduced himself by his first name and last name. I introduced myself to him by my last name, which everyone has called me ever since I can remember.
After introducing myself, he asked me if my name was my first name or last name, because legitimately it could have either one. I told him it was my last name. He asked me what my first name was so I told him. He then asked me what I preferred to be called. I told him I didn’t care. He then pressed me in a dominating way, kind of leaning into me, and told me I had to tell him which I preferred. I reverted back to my last name by simply saying, “Everyone calls me by my last name, but I don’t care what you call me.” He seemed very perplexed by this and the whole exchange with him was very weird to me.
In my opinion he was already a confirmed Alpha before reading this post. But I think I learned by your post, at least at work, to never call an Alpha by his last name unless it has a title in front of it. They can tolerate first names, but not last names by themselves. I also think a guy like Trump enjoys hearing his last name being chanted at rallies, but if anyone ever came into the Oval Office, on official business, and addressed him as “Trump”, he would correct them on the spot by saying something like, “You are in the Oval Office, please address me as President Trump.”
I think that when I met this Alpha boss, he assumed I was an Alpha like him and was clearly confused about my true SSH. I’m only a situational Alpha at work and I play the part pretty convincingly at first glance. He assumed I thought like him.
I think what happened is the Alpha tried to engage you, welcome you onto his team so to speak, but you sort of stiff-armed him. Name conventions are guidelines, but as with anything else, depend on context.
I think you might be right. The reality is I don’t want him interfering in my fiefdom. Maybe I sounded a little too standoffish and he took offense. Sometimes it’s hard to tell whether an Alpha’s reaction comes from the Alpha in him or if it’s just his quirky pet peeve or a personality trait.
Either way, I thought the whole exchange was bizarre. The rest of the tour went well though and he didn’t seem to hold a grudge over it during our next few encounters.
I would assume that your boss wouldnt mind his last name being plastered everywhere. Alpha's would want towns and cities named after them. They definitely would not give a second thought to what may seem like a slight to the average person unless it diminished their ego in some way.
Scenario One happens all the time. Indeed, almost every meeting where a few new people are in the mix results in a misnamed person or mispronounced name.
Before reading about SSH I had no idea why people failed to fix this extremely common mistake right then and there (or right after).
I have often heard y'all around here talk about "Delta with Gamma tendencies". But I have never heard anyone talk about "tendencies" toward any other kind of rank.
This makes me think that Delta<->Gamma would be more consistently described as a single thing which is a spectrum. Which would make Delta<->Gamma unique among the ranks, which is not very elegant, but still might be true.
On the other hand I also think "Sigma tendencies" and "Omega tendencies" seem credible. But I have never heard anyone else bring them up.
On the other other hand, "tendencies" don't totally make sense in a context in which your place in the hierarchy is determined intersubjectively. Like, the fact that you sometimes have Sigma thoughts while falling asleep makes no impact on how other people perceive you or instinctively rank you relative to themselves and others. And if SSH is seen as an analytical tool to predict human behaviors, well, only some of your behaviors are the kind of thing that anyone would be interested in predicting anyway, and your shower thoughts don't necessarily influence those specific behaviors.
Overall I guess what I find believable about Delta-Gamma is that there is a clear tension which seems true to life. You have a picture of a person, the "high road" available to him, and the "low road" available to him, and both are tempting. You have a personality that is capable of change over time.
What's hard to make sense of with Alphas, Bravos, and Sigmas is the idea implicit in this ranking system that their personality is SO set in stone that they have no significant internal tension. An Alpha will just... always be Alpha, because that's who he is. That is really hard to understand. Someone with no internal tension sounds like someone with no internal monologue - an NPC.
So I guess I'm saying, I think that Alphas and everyone else also experience internal tension. But it seems that only the Delta-Gamma range experience tension which is significant enough to affect their SSH position? Do Alphas experience no "Sigma temptation" or "Bravo temptation"? I dunno.
This is super interesting. I have also often wondered if there is much crossover between rankings and how fixed rankings are. Is it possible for a Alpha, Sigma or a Bravo to develop Gamma tendencies if they face too much failure in life?
There is a guy at work who, from everything he say is certainly an Alpha but sometimes the way he says things makes me wonder if isn't a Gamma who got on some steroids and is really good at lying.
For example - he is half Maori and stated once when I was talking about traveling to Thailand, "I would never sleep with a dirty Asian, I only fuck posh white bitches. I don't want my children to be ethnic, gotta water down the bloodline."
Deltas are the largest group of men by far and so it makes more sense to talk about their ‘situational’ types or tendencies than it does for other tyle.
So a ‘high’ delta will ordinarily be a man who demonstrates a high-ish level of situational Alpha and Bravo traits. Think of a highly respected medical specialist who isn’t a natural Alpha or Bravo.
A ‘low’ delta will demonstrate tendencies which overlap with Gammas (obnoxiousness, lack of emotional regulation) and Omegas (lack of social awareness, unkempt appearance, poor hygiene).
Are you leaning towards a "gamma strain but not a gamma" or perhaps "alpha/sigma with gamma tendencies" type of reasoning?
If yes, the idea that an alpha would have gamma patterns is absurd. The gamma way of life is like some sort of strange fiction to an alpha. We can observe that most high status men can't conceive such men exist or even function in society.
Vox once wrote, either on Vox Popoli or Alpha Game, that he as a Sigma sometimes has to fight off Omega tendencies so he can be social. The anecdote he used was hanging out in the library by himself while his wife talked to the house guests. That is a more understandable example due to the similarities between Omega and Sigma.
As for Alphas, they will sometimes allow themselves to be relegated to a Bravo role if a more socially powerful Alpha shows up. Alphas don't like having to play "second banana" to a more dominant Alpha if they can avoid it, so you can call that a form of tension that arises situationally.
Its funny because with the incessant inquiry what you almost always have is a horde of Gammas and Deltas asking what profile they are, when its obvious to everyone else.
Precisely. They're constantly trying to identify that one thing that allows them to suspect that they just might possibly be a Sigma. Or, previously, an Alpha.
And none of them sound like they even know what a sigma is, or ever interacted with one. Sigma to these retards reads as "all the pussy of the alpha but I still get to play video games all day", or "hurting society with my indifference, haha take that society". Pathetic stuff.
Why is this so hard? Does the person have a very attractive mate and the ability to obtain a new, similarly attractive mate if need be? No? Then they're not an Alpha or a Sigma.
By this example I’m 100% Sigma. When I first got together with my wife she had a terrible temper and would throw all these insults and accusations and more. Within a year I had completely broken her of these terrible emotional attacks. I retrained to not let herself become out of her mind emotionally angry. I got her to the point she would approach me and first tell me how she was emotionally upset and how it was completely illogical it was. Then she would either tell me directly what the real issue was or ask me to help her figure out what the real issue was. Her family was completely amazed I had tamed her often violent temper. As I cannot self define what I am I have no idea if others would see me as Sigma. It’s nothing I worry about but it is an interesting thought.
Man, don't do that. Notice how no one ever brags "by this example I'm 100% omega/gamma/delta"? These personal anecdotes are always used to support the fantasy one belongs to a high status rank. By all means, if you really think your story is relevant to the topic, try presenting it as if it was about a friend or somebody you used to know.
Besides, if your story supports your theory that you're an Alpha or a Sigma or whatever, you don't need to brag about it! Keep it to yourself. High status men don't care that much about the opinion of some random strangers on the internet have of them. Specially not the damn Sigmas.
Of course I made it about myself ! Why would I be interested in contemplating you ? I certainly wish to learn from your ideas but that’s for my understanding of me. You mean as much to me as I do to you. Absolutely nothing.
The Gamma only stews about it for weeks? That’s an optimistic timeframe. Years later the Gamma will corner unwilling listeners to tell them this woeful tale of betrayal. A 2 second incident turns into a 20 minute story. “He knew damn well what my name was. He said it wrong on purpose because he’s afraid of me. He had to show everyone around him what a big man he was.”
My new favorite thing about Sigma Game updates is picturing Vox sitting there, typing and muttering to himself. "My God I hate doing this.... these people... so many narcissists. Why. Why?"
Gotcha and completely understand. I valued it for the exact opposite reason as it's helpful to understand how the various SSH would react to given situations, not to mention you're responses as a Sigma were hilarious.
Omega, "what wife?" HA!
The comments below such posts are gold. 70 % fan fiction.
"My wife once nagged me about not having mown the lawn. I just told her 'Shut up and get me a beer!'. That turned her on in a way that made her drop her pants immediately and we did it five times in a row on the kitchen table. Afterwards I drove to my girlfriend. I think I am some strange mix of Alpha and Sigma."
You have the top comment now. Reads like a headline to the comments below....
Alpha response to wife storming off into another room after argument and slamming the door behind her: starts playing song that played on their first date. A few moments later wife comes out apologetically and runs into his arms.
That sounds like something a delta or gamma would do.
For just £1/$50 American i give you paper 'ALPHA CERTIFICATE' it confirm alpha statuses. Put on wall, put on desk in works, pin to forehead...NO ONE in big success future doubt you STATUS. Friend..Colleague in works..Lady womans...MANY IMPRESSED
The wife scenario is priceless and totally exemplifies the SSH responses.
The alpha response reminds me of Angie by the Rolling Stones.
Does anybody know or happens to be a psychologist or councilor of some sort that does phone consults and is specifically good at giving advice and guidance for the workplace? I'm really bad at talking to my supervisors about issues I'm having at work, or confrontation in general? It would be good to have someone to chat to when I am having an issues that can give me guidance on how to go about solving it before I put my foot in my mouth.
Would be good if this person was involved in this sort of community.
How do the different ranks of the ssh react to the advice from a PUA to always assume attraction when interacting with women?
Alpha - you need advice for this shit? WTF is PUA anyway?
Bravo - agrees with alpha
Delta - gets out note pad
Gamma - well actually... 10 minute lecture on assuming attraction w/ cringe examples of his pick up attempts.
Omega - what's attraction?
I forgot Sigma buy he probably stopped listening to the PUA and has something better to do
How would each SSH rank respond to being displaced by someone better or younger than them, especially when they believe their time isn't up yet?
The first question answered explains a lot to me. When I met my boss’s, boss’s, boss for the first time he introduced himself by his first name and last name. I introduced myself to him by my last name, which everyone has called me ever since I can remember.
After introducing myself, he asked me if my name was my first name or last name, because legitimately it could have either one. I told him it was my last name. He asked me what my first name was so I told him. He then asked me what I preferred to be called. I told him I didn’t care. He then pressed me in a dominating way, kind of leaning into me, and told me I had to tell him which I preferred. I reverted back to my last name by simply saying, “Everyone calls me by my last name, but I don’t care what you call me.” He seemed very perplexed by this and the whole exchange with him was very weird to me.
In my opinion he was already a confirmed Alpha before reading this post. But I think I learned by your post, at least at work, to never call an Alpha by his last name unless it has a title in front of it. They can tolerate first names, but not last names by themselves. I also think a guy like Trump enjoys hearing his last name being chanted at rallies, but if anyone ever came into the Oval Office, on official business, and addressed him as “Trump”, he would correct them on the spot by saying something like, “You are in the Oval Office, please address me as President Trump.”
I think that when I met this Alpha boss, he assumed I was an Alpha like him and was clearly confused about my true SSH. I’m only a situational Alpha at work and I play the part pretty convincingly at first glance. He assumed I thought like him.
I think what happened is the Alpha tried to engage you, welcome you onto his team so to speak, but you sort of stiff-armed him. Name conventions are guidelines, but as with anything else, depend on context.
I think you might be right. The reality is I don’t want him interfering in my fiefdom. Maybe I sounded a little too standoffish and he took offense. Sometimes it’s hard to tell whether an Alpha’s reaction comes from the Alpha in him or if it’s just his quirky pet peeve or a personality trait.
Either way, I thought the whole exchange was bizarre. The rest of the tour went well though and he didn’t seem to hold a grudge over it during our next few encounters.
I would assume that your boss wouldnt mind his last name being plastered everywhere. Alpha's would want towns and cities named after them. They definitely would not give a second thought to what may seem like a slight to the average person unless it diminished their ego in some way.
Scenario One happens all the time. Indeed, almost every meeting where a few new people are in the mix results in a misnamed person or mispronounced name.
Before reading about SSH I had no idea why people failed to fix this extremely common mistake right then and there (or right after).
I no longer wonder.
I have often heard y'all around here talk about "Delta with Gamma tendencies". But I have never heard anyone talk about "tendencies" toward any other kind of rank.
This makes me think that Delta<->Gamma would be more consistently described as a single thing which is a spectrum. Which would make Delta<->Gamma unique among the ranks, which is not very elegant, but still might be true.
On the other hand I also think "Sigma tendencies" and "Omega tendencies" seem credible. But I have never heard anyone else bring them up.
On the other other hand, "tendencies" don't totally make sense in a context in which your place in the hierarchy is determined intersubjectively. Like, the fact that you sometimes have Sigma thoughts while falling asleep makes no impact on how other people perceive you or instinctively rank you relative to themselves and others. And if SSH is seen as an analytical tool to predict human behaviors, well, only some of your behaviors are the kind of thing that anyone would be interested in predicting anyway, and your shower thoughts don't necessarily influence those specific behaviors.
Overall I guess what I find believable about Delta-Gamma is that there is a clear tension which seems true to life. You have a picture of a person, the "high road" available to him, and the "low road" available to him, and both are tempting. You have a personality that is capable of change over time.
What's hard to make sense of with Alphas, Bravos, and Sigmas is the idea implicit in this ranking system that their personality is SO set in stone that they have no significant internal tension. An Alpha will just... always be Alpha, because that's who he is. That is really hard to understand. Someone with no internal tension sounds like someone with no internal monologue - an NPC.
So I guess I'm saying, I think that Alphas and everyone else also experience internal tension. But it seems that only the Delta-Gamma range experience tension which is significant enough to affect their SSH position? Do Alphas experience no "Sigma temptation" or "Bravo temptation"? I dunno.
Please inform. Thank you.
This is super interesting. I have also often wondered if there is much crossover between rankings and how fixed rankings are. Is it possible for a Alpha, Sigma or a Bravo to develop Gamma tendencies if they face too much failure in life?
There is a guy at work who, from everything he say is certainly an Alpha but sometimes the way he says things makes me wonder if isn't a Gamma who got on some steroids and is really good at lying.
For example - he is half Maori and stated once when I was talking about traveling to Thailand, "I would never sleep with a dirty Asian, I only fuck posh white bitches. I don't want my children to be ethnic, gotta water down the bloodline."
Deltas are the largest group of men by far and so it makes more sense to talk about their ‘situational’ types or tendencies than it does for other tyle.
So a ‘high’ delta will ordinarily be a man who demonstrates a high-ish level of situational Alpha and Bravo traits. Think of a highly respected medical specialist who isn’t a natural Alpha or Bravo.
A ‘low’ delta will demonstrate tendencies which overlap with Gammas (obnoxiousness, lack of emotional regulation) and Omegas (lack of social awareness, unkempt appearance, poor hygiene).
Says the guy writing a gamma-ish wall of text.
Are you leaning towards a "gamma strain but not a gamma" or perhaps "alpha/sigma with gamma tendencies" type of reasoning?
If yes, the idea that an alpha would have gamma patterns is absurd. The gamma way of life is like some sort of strange fiction to an alpha. We can observe that most high status men can't conceive such men exist or even function in society.
> But I have never heard anyone talk about "tendencies" toward any other kind of rank.
Because it always ends up with gammas or deltas thinking they are alphas.
Bravos often find themselves in situational alpha roles for example.
Alphas also have internal tension. There is a high road and a low road for an Alpha. But a crap Alpha never falls into gamma tendencies.
Vox once wrote, either on Vox Popoli or Alpha Game, that he as a Sigma sometimes has to fight off Omega tendencies so he can be social. The anecdote he used was hanging out in the library by himself while his wife talked to the house guests. That is a more understandable example due to the similarities between Omega and Sigma.
As for Alphas, they will sometimes allow themselves to be relegated to a Bravo role if a more socially powerful Alpha shows up. Alphas don't like having to play "second banana" to a more dominant Alpha if they can avoid it, so you can call that a form of tension that arises situationally.
You need to read more. None of this is novel, and none of it describes the phenomena as presented.
I don't understand.
Seems to be a lot of self-inserting going on in the comments.
Reminds me of that doggerel Vox posted months ago: "The Incessant Inquiry".
Its funny because with the incessant inquiry what you almost always have is a horde of Gammas and Deltas asking what profile they are, when its obvious to everyone else.
Precisely. They're constantly trying to identify that one thing that allows them to suspect that they just might possibly be a Sigma. Or, previously, an Alpha.
It's so transparent.
And none of them sound like they even know what a sigma is, or ever interacted with one. Sigma to these retards reads as "all the pussy of the alpha but I still get to play video games all day", or "hurting society with my indifference, haha take that society". Pathetic stuff.
Why is this so hard? Does the person have a very attractive mate and the ability to obtain a new, similarly attractive mate if need be? No? Then they're not an Alpha or a Sigma.
These posts bring out the volunteerism this 'stack is famous for showing. Meaning for these kinds of posts:
Rule 1. Shut up.
Rule 2. Always follow Rule 1.
Occasionally there is the " it would be really nice if..." types of complaints.
Ive found in my own marriage humorous responses, sometimes even crude ones, will deflate the tension.
If its said with a smirk- it always works.
Early in the marriage there were occasional jealous outbursts after interactions that I had with other women.
I learned to just ignore them and as time passed they lessened.
The worst thing a guy can do in these situations is to be defensive or slavishly apologetic
It creates an emotional inferno
Interrogation 101: admit nothing. Especially if you're innocent.
By this example I’m 100% Sigma. When I first got together with my wife she had a terrible temper and would throw all these insults and accusations and more. Within a year I had completely broken her of these terrible emotional attacks. I retrained to not let herself become out of her mind emotionally angry. I got her to the point she would approach me and first tell me how she was emotionally upset and how it was completely illogical it was. Then she would either tell me directly what the real issue was or ask me to help her figure out what the real issue was. Her family was completely amazed I had tamed her often violent temper. As I cannot self define what I am I have no idea if others would see me as Sigma. It’s nothing I worry about but it is an interesting thought.
Man, don't do that. Notice how no one ever brags "by this example I'm 100% omega/gamma/delta"? These personal anecdotes are always used to support the fantasy one belongs to a high status rank. By all means, if you really think your story is relevant to the topic, try presenting it as if it was about a friend or somebody you used to know.
Besides, if your story supports your theory that you're an Alpha or a Sigma or whatever, you don't need to brag about it! Keep it to yourself. High status men don't care that much about the opinion of some random strangers on the internet have of them. Specially not the damn Sigmas.
The fact that you sang a song once doesn't make you a bluebird. This is precisely why I don't do these things very often.
Because every retard then has to make it about himself. So tedious.
Of course I made it about myself ! Why would I be interested in contemplating you ? I certainly wish to learn from your ideas but that’s for my understanding of me. You mean as much to me as I do to you. Absolutely nothing.
Who is reading who's substack?
Give absolutely zero respect. Get absolutely zero respect.
Gamma confirmed.
Oh, were your feelings a bit hurt by Vox not confirming your Sigma status?
A pretty girl talked to me in high school. I'm clearly an Alpha.
Mega Alpha. Absolutely. Women want you and men want to be you.
The Gamma only stews about it for weeks? That’s an optimistic timeframe. Years later the Gamma will corner unwilling listeners to tell them this woeful tale of betrayal. A 2 second incident turns into a 20 minute story. “He knew damn well what my name was. He said it wrong on purpose because he’s afraid of me. He had to show everyone around him what a big man he was.”
Paranoia and the wall of text is a downfall of a gamma.
More of the SSH responses covering various scenarios please. This was enlightening as well as entertaining.
Not only no, but Hell no. I can't take the narcissistic retardery.
"I cut down a tree. Am I a Beaver?"
Now we know your weakness, youll never survive SERE.
My new favorite thing about Sigma Game updates is picturing Vox sitting there, typing and muttering to himself. "My God I hate doing this.... these people... so many narcissists. Why. Why?"
Gotcha and completely understand. I valued it for the exact opposite reason as it's helpful to understand how the various SSH would react to given situations, not to mention you're responses as a Sigma were hilarious.
I would be happy to pay you if it made the retardry a little easier to deal with
How many hundreds of thousands of dollars per posting are you willing to pay him to suffer the narcissistic retardery responses?
Or if comments were only for paying subscribers.
This post provoked a fascinating discussion between the two of us!
... I wondered if someone got paid regarding retardery.
I used to work in criminal justice. I realized right off that my paycheck was drawn on other people's stupidity.