Wouldn't classifying people as some kind of seemingly insurmountable bad personality type be what other people do about almost everyone who isn't just mainstream? I get calling people out for being sort of ineffective, but it seems like this is more just making a group of people to laugh at.
"as some kind of seemingly insurmountable bad personality type be what other people do about almost everyone who isn't just mainstream?"
Everyone knows Gammas exist. It's not insurmountably bad, but Gammas have to be honest about what they are and what they do if they're going to stop being insufferably annoying.
"I get calling people out for being sort of ineffective, but it seems like this is more just making a group of people to laugh at."
Gamma tells there. We're not laughing at you. We're documenting how your behavior to defend delusions is wrong and predictable.
The starting point for you to address Gamma behavior is to love truth so much that you accept it even when it hurts. No spin, no word salads.
Yeah, sorry. I skimmed this, but your attack on me based on my argument is exactly the kind of shit I’m talking about. “Only certain people can be critical.”
You’d think all these vitalist ubermenschen could just laugh off the jibes at Freddyboy. Instead they’re slogging around here trying to tone police the slaves. Shouldn’t they be off conquering, boldly forging the path to a new & better age fearlessly instituting peedrinker’s bold vision of the future with fire, will & iron?
I’m not sure exactly whom your referring to with what, but it seems almost equally likely to be either. In any case, I think there might be at least some validity in what you’re saying, lol.
The only people who deny that Gamma exists as a type of men are Gammas.
It's a delusional claim. The fact you aren't even interesting in dealing with the actual point of the post about Gammas defending a lunatic who drinks his own pee is another Gamma tell.
You're changing the subject from how Gammas deal with Nietzsche and how your own behavior fits the Gamma type.
“Only certain people can be critical.”
This is a strawman. All people are critical. The SSH exists because everyone is always critical of everyone else's behavior and status. Gammas are annoying because their critical judgement is persistently off in a way that deflects from their own faults and imagines faults in others.
I'm criticizing you because you are making false claims about Gammas and what other people are doing. Don't throw shade on other peoples' motives and actions and you won't be a target.
Okay, this just sounds like MBTI people who are proud of their designations. I like that I’m an INTJ, but I’m not going to go around dooming people to “the bad one.”
If you stopped acting the way you do, you wouldn't be classified as a Gamma. No one is being doomed as "the bad one".
Identify what you're doing that annoys other people. Stop doing that. Now you are no longer "the bad one". People only care about this because Gammas won't stop their annoying behavior.
You know your actions and words affect other people. Pay more attention to the results of your actions.
Okay, if you truly believe that, then great. It seems like there’s a big culture in the “Alpha/Sigma/Gamma/Delta/Beta/Shitta” community of saying, “HAHA, you’re a Gamma.” I’ll continue to speak my mind, though, and I would implore you to do the same.
Not laughed at. Scorned. It is not a group but an archetype. It is all behaviour based and exclusion by ban hammer follows egregious infractions. Exclusion normally follows a series of predictable patterns ending in some variation of The Flounce. In the worst cases exclusion is followed by some kind of group with a mendacious bent of the ex-greatest fans / friends.
Hey, I like the severity, lol. I wish people had that much strength in calling out immorality, most of the time. They really don't (but they often do with scapegoats, so that's what I was thinking about; not gonna deny there aren't a lot of insufferable people).
I assume that’s a jab, or, well, let’s not say that, lol. I assume that’s a little hit, and that’s fine, I expected to get one going in and criticizing the writer, to some extent. But I would also caution that the whole “Gamma” thing seems to describe exactly the kind of anti-”Gamma” stuff. (Or the spirit of a lot of it, anyway.)
Vox has a series of posts called Graduating Gamma written by someone who was a Gamma or had Gamma tendencies. The advice is free and there for the taking. There are other commenters here who have noted even the first point was helpful for them regardless of whether they were Gammas, Deltas or Omegas.
So I take it that it is not insurmountable to do the work. How to motivate Gammas to do it, I don’t know. Maybe calling them out works for some but not others.
That’s a good perspective. I didn’t actually look too much into this, having seen the Owen Benjamin stuff and a little bit of Vox, in the past, so I was taking it more as if the Gammas were just some group to criticize.
I’ll look into that post. If it’s more of a growth or just a perspective thing rather than a curse thing, then that sounds good.
"How these poor angry souls don’t see their own emotional projection is beyond me or any normal man, but it’s clear that somehow, they don’t."
I've been thinking about this as part of my own journey to move up from Omega and I believe it's due to alexithymia, a condition where someone is unable to recognize or describe their own emotions. It's also associated with autism and can be caused by overuse of electronics. I cannot describe how life-changing of an experience it was to find out you can tell what you're feeling by paying attention to how each part of your body feels rather than mentally trying to deduce what the expected feeling in each situation should be.
Nobody bothers telling boys how to connect with their emotions and autistic kids don't have the talent to grasp the concept automatically, so they grow up into Gammas.
I also suspect that a lack of emotional mental dexterity is at fault for many of these behaviors. Some would also call it emotional disintegration. There are varying levels of this, though, as I have researched, many people you would not expect have trouble identifying emotions or conflate thoughts with feelings. It makes the inner world so much more chaotic. Also excellent advice about feeling the body.
I'd particularly like to thank the gammas who showed up on this one, proving the utility of our SDL's SSH predictive model. Two of them, the soon-to-be banned one especially, exhibited classic response. One need only to view the comments section of relevant Sigma Game posts to see the effectiveness of the SSH in action. What a excellent tool to pass on to our son's to help them navigate the rest of their collective social futures. Bravo. Grazie, e lei, Supremo Signore Oscuro.
This substack is like taking a class in anthropology, but instead of just reading about different mindsets and behaviours we get to see them in real time. Unlike anthropology, which is often fantasy fiction, the SSH taxonomy outlined in the lectures here is proven almost to the letter in the mindsets and behaviour in comments. It's fascinating.
This is really great! Nietzsche was a nut job in most respects. While skeptical of ranking people rigidly according to so-called ‘SSH,’ this was excellent!
It is interesting to watch when a gamma comments in a rebuttal. The goal is to attack the person, not the argument. Their form of attack reveals what hurts them the most. They assume by doing so their target will fall into their trap.
Example: You come off as weak and ignorant now more than ever.
Then Vox smoothly steps in, ignoring the insult and directing the gamma back to the discourse.
If the goal of the exchange is not to arrive at the truth but to argue for the sake of appearing smart and waiting for a 'gotcha' moment, then that's gamma behavior.
The only good thing about Nietzsche is the Nietzscheans in Andromeda who are really more Machievellian but the writers must have thought Nietzsche would be a more recognizable name to gammas.
To everyone that thinks christianity is incompatible with vitality, I recommend Henri de Lubac's "The drama of atheist humanism". Christ is king.
Hey, but Richard Spencer loves his Nietzsche and he’s definitely not a gamma…
Regular person: "You should not drink pee."
Midwit: "SOURCE?"
Nietzsche dumb dumb. Peepee not for drinking unless plane crash or car breakdown in desert only.
Wouldn't classifying people as some kind of seemingly insurmountable bad personality type be what other people do about almost everyone who isn't just mainstream? I get calling people out for being sort of ineffective, but it seems like this is more just making a group of people to laugh at.
"as some kind of seemingly insurmountable bad personality type be what other people do about almost everyone who isn't just mainstream?"
Everyone knows Gammas exist. It's not insurmountably bad, but Gammas have to be honest about what they are and what they do if they're going to stop being insufferably annoying.
"I get calling people out for being sort of ineffective, but it seems like this is more just making a group of people to laugh at."
Gamma tells there. We're not laughing at you. We're documenting how your behavior to defend delusions is wrong and predictable.
The starting point for you to address Gamma behavior is to love truth so much that you accept it even when it hurts. No spin, no word salads.
Yeah, sorry. I skimmed this, but your attack on me based on my argument is exactly the kind of shit I’m talking about. “Only certain people can be critical.”
You’d think all these vitalist ubermenschen could just laugh off the jibes at Freddyboy. Instead they’re slogging around here trying to tone police the slaves. Shouldn’t they be off conquering, boldly forging the path to a new & better age fearlessly instituting peedrinker’s bold vision of the future with fire, will & iron?
I’m not sure exactly whom your referring to with what, but it seems almost equally likely to be either. In any case, I think there might be at least some validity in what you’re saying, lol.
The only people who deny that Gamma exists as a type of men are Gammas.
It's a delusional claim. The fact you aren't even interesting in dealing with the actual point of the post about Gammas defending a lunatic who drinks his own pee is another Gamma tell.
You're changing the subject from how Gammas deal with Nietzsche and how your own behavior fits the Gamma type.
“Only certain people can be critical.”
This is a strawman. All people are critical. The SSH exists because everyone is always critical of everyone else's behavior and status. Gammas are annoying because their critical judgement is persistently off in a way that deflects from their own faults and imagines faults in others.
I'm criticizing you because you are making false claims about Gammas and what other people are doing. Don't throw shade on other peoples' motives and actions and you won't be a target.
Okay, this just sounds like MBTI people who are proud of their designations. I like that I’m an INTJ, but I’m not going to go around dooming people to “the bad one.”
If you stopped acting the way you do, you wouldn't be classified as a Gamma. No one is being doomed as "the bad one".
Identify what you're doing that annoys other people. Stop doing that. Now you are no longer "the bad one". People only care about this because Gammas won't stop their annoying behavior.
You know your actions and words affect other people. Pay more attention to the results of your actions.
Okay, if you truly believe that, then great. It seems like there’s a big culture in the “Alpha/Sigma/Gamma/Delta/Beta/Shitta” community of saying, “HAHA, you’re a Gamma.” I’ll continue to speak my mind, though, and I would implore you to do the same.
Not laughed at. Scorned. It is not a group but an archetype. It is all behaviour based and exclusion by ban hammer follows egregious infractions. Exclusion normally follows a series of predictable patterns ending in some variation of The Flounce. In the worst cases exclusion is followed by some kind of group with a mendacious bent of the ex-greatest fans / friends.
Hey, I like the severity, lol. I wish people had that much strength in calling out immorality, most of the time. They really don't (but they often do with scapegoats, so that's what I was thinking about; not gonna deny there aren't a lot of insufferable people).
I will only leave this image as a reply, to demonstrate the dishonesty of the argument.
https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/315/484/8fe.jpeg
I assume that’s a jab, or, well, let’s not say that, lol. I assume that’s a little hit, and that’s fine, I expected to get one going in and criticizing the writer, to some extent. But I would also caution that the whole “Gamma” thing seems to describe exactly the kind of anti-”Gamma” stuff. (Or the spirit of a lot of it, anyway.)
Vox has a series of posts called Graduating Gamma written by someone who was a Gamma or had Gamma tendencies. The advice is free and there for the taking. There are other commenters here who have noted even the first point was helpful for them regardless of whether they were Gammas, Deltas or Omegas.
So I take it that it is not insurmountable to do the work. How to motivate Gammas to do it, I don’t know. Maybe calling them out works for some but not others.
That’s a good perspective. I didn’t actually look too much into this, having seen the Owen Benjamin stuff and a little bit of Vox, in the past, so I was taking it more as if the Gammas were just some group to criticize.
I’ll look into that post. If it’s more of a growth or just a perspective thing rather than a curse thing, then that sounds good.
Edit: Those posts.
"How these poor angry souls don’t see their own emotional projection is beyond me or any normal man, but it’s clear that somehow, they don’t."
I've been thinking about this as part of my own journey to move up from Omega and I believe it's due to alexithymia, a condition where someone is unable to recognize or describe their own emotions. It's also associated with autism and can be caused by overuse of electronics. I cannot describe how life-changing of an experience it was to find out you can tell what you're feeling by paying attention to how each part of your body feels rather than mentally trying to deduce what the expected feeling in each situation should be.
Nobody bothers telling boys how to connect with their emotions and autistic kids don't have the talent to grasp the concept automatically, so they grow up into Gammas.
It's emotional blindness, like color blindness.
Needing specific guidance to deal with it that you won't get from normal people, who might not know it's even a thing.
I also suspect that a lack of emotional mental dexterity is at fault for many of these behaviors. Some would also call it emotional disintegration. There are varying levels of this, though, as I have researched, many people you would not expect have trouble identifying emotions or conflate thoughts with feelings. It makes the inner world so much more chaotic. Also excellent advice about feeling the body.
I'd particularly like to thank the gammas who showed up on this one, proving the utility of our SDL's SSH predictive model. Two of them, the soon-to-be banned one especially, exhibited classic response. One need only to view the comments section of relevant Sigma Game posts to see the effectiveness of the SSH in action. What a excellent tool to pass on to our son's to help them navigate the rest of their collective social futures. Bravo. Grazie, e lei, Supremo Signore Oscuro.
This substack is like taking a class in anthropology, but instead of just reading about different mindsets and behaviours we get to see them in real time. Unlike anthropology, which is often fantasy fiction, the SSH taxonomy outlined in the lectures here is proven almost to the letter in the mindsets and behaviour in comments. It's fascinating.
This is really great! Nietzsche was a nut job in most respects. While skeptical of ranking people rigidly according to so-called ‘SSH,’ this was excellent!
It is not rigid. To the contrary, it is fractal.
Vox, what are your thoughts on Soren Kierkegaard compared to Nietzsche?
No comment
https://youtu.be/UG3VcCAlUgE?si=OoD7nSGk-wiqWAQl
It is interesting to watch when a gamma comments in a rebuttal. The goal is to attack the person, not the argument. Their form of attack reveals what hurts them the most. They assume by doing so their target will fall into their trap.
Example: You come off as weak and ignorant now more than ever.
Then Vox smoothly steps in, ignoring the insult and directing the gamma back to the discourse.
They're dropping like flies in here today.
I keep picturing the IQ Bell Curve meme with a Soyjack Nietzsche right smack in the middle.
"You have insulted me, and my entire family! Prepare to hear about my wrath!"
If the goal of the exchange is not to arrive at the truth but to argue for the sake of appearing smart and waiting for a 'gotcha' moment, then that's gamma behavior.
Geez, some people just don't know how to have a good time.
Anomie smells like gamma, gay and teen spirit
Wow.
Wow, I hope your family members and bloodline are doing okay.
Banned for Gamma projection.
The only good thing about Nietzsche is the Nietzscheans in Andromeda who are really more Machievellian but the writers must have thought Nietzsche would be a more recognizable name to gammas.