Has this story been fact-checked at all? It takes some giant balls to force a woman to read a grotesque story like this, and Gaiman seems both too cowardly and too intelligent to try this. Almost a parody of creepy behavior, I would be sincerely interested if the story's true
If she complained he could just libel her as an antisemite, back before MeToo. So why wouldn't he do it? He figured his "chosen people" status would have him covered, and if all else failed he could bring up the hcost.
I really appreciate the ongoing coverage of Gaiman. The discussions from people who have read him or are more familiar with him and the literary world has been very helpful. You all have highlighted and exposed some things that we were told to brush aside as harmless but that really were sinister and dangerous. That subtle but distinct “ick” and creepy feeling had a basis in reality and wasn’t just due to an overactive imagination.
The combination of the SSH with its description of male behavior patterns and concrete examples of the types, including gammas, has helped me understand some of my feelings and reactions, particularly in the case of a potentially dangerous individual. It has also helped provide a better overall picture for seeing the motivation of others. This refers to both good and bad; the alpha, situational or otherwise, taking charge to ensure everything goes to plan and is successful, and the person (male and female) who is only interested in him or herself and personal achievement and glory.
I could have lived a long and content life not knowing anything about Gaiman. But, now that I do I'm wondering why he isn't being prosecuted, just for starters.
I was also sad to learn that he produced Stardust, I was hoping that I never read or saw anything that he had a hand in creating... I take great pride in aspects of my cultural ignorance.
The whole bath thing really gives me the willies. Imagine you're a woman enjoying a nice relaxing hot bubble bath when suddenly at the other end of the tub Gaiman's curly haired head s-l-o-w-l-y rises out of the bubbly water with those beady little eyes staring right at you. The thought makes me shudder
And this is why he chooses damaged girls whose alarm bells don't start clanging off the walls at an invitation to go take a bubble bath while alone with a strange man at his house.
In that second photo, Gaiman looks like the turkey vultures that lurk at the edge of the forest near where I live. Physiognomy is real.
The first photo is a good opportunity for a facial bifurcation study like the ones Anonymous Conservative used to do back in the day. The left-face in the photo looks like a garden variety creepy pest. The right-face looks downright evil, like he wants to carve you up and eat your entrails or something. He also seems to have the prominent nasolabial folds that AC says are indicators of abuse in childhood.
Over Christmas, at a relative's house we watched Stardust. It was morbidly fascinating to see knowing what I knew then about Gaiman's proclivities; there are a lot of bathtub creeper scenes in there. Not to mention the abuse of the main female character from the moment they met, but somehow because reasons she falls in love with him anyway.
The best moment was probably at the beginning, though, when the main character was promising literally anything to the woman who hated him if she'd just marry him; my 12-year-old rolled her eyes and loudly whispered, "Siiiiimp!"
We see here the arch-typical example of the Gamma being more interested in the ideas he has about a woman than the woman herself.
From the article: `As soon as they began to hook up, the feeling that had drawn her to him — the magical spell of his interest in her individuality — vanished.`
Once the Gamma feels he has closed the deal, he settles into pursuing what he really desires, control over something that has come to symbolize his Ego.
From the article: “He seemed to have a script,” she tells me. “He wanted me to call him ‘master’ immediately.” He demanded that she promise him her soul. “It was like he’d gone into this ritual that had nothing to do with me.”
Seems like he was trying to work some Talmudic black magic on her. Oy vey.
Also, I've only seen the movie, but Coraline seems to me like an anti-grooming story. The heroine realizes the ones trying to drive a wedge between herself and her parents are evil, and has to defeat them, before reconciling herself to her parents and learning to be grateful for them. Are the gamma perverted elements more prominent in the book?
Remember, kids. God forbids sorcery and witchcraft, but he didn't define them clearly enough. Fortunately, through the consideration of rabbis, basically everything is permitted so long as you have the right bloodline.
In a way, it's almost polite to lay it out so openly. Almost, if it wasn't a part of their sick beliefs that you are home free of 'karma'/sin so long as you tell people what you are doing.
It does seem a compulsion more than anything. Whether it's of a kind with duper's delight or the weight of their sins compelling confession, I could not say.
Love the song.
Nothing more perfect than having Gayman as his family name and being the sneaky male feminist that he is.
I know this is totally off topic, but that black and white photo makes him look a bit like Howard Stern with his glasses off.
"Its a yid thing. You goyim wouldn't understand."
What Gaiman was chanting in Hebrew, probably.
Has this story been fact-checked at all? It takes some giant balls to force a woman to read a grotesque story like this, and Gaiman seems both too cowardly and too intelligent to try this. Almost a parody of creepy behavior, I would be sincerely interested if the story's true
If she complained he could just libel her as an antisemite, back before MeToo. So why wouldn't he do it? He figured his "chosen people" status would have him covered, and if all else failed he could bring up the hcost.
Interesting tell me more
There isn't any more. That's it. Sorry to disappoint.
I really appreciate the ongoing coverage of Gaiman. The discussions from people who have read him or are more familiar with him and the literary world has been very helpful. You all have highlighted and exposed some things that we were told to brush aside as harmless but that really were sinister and dangerous. That subtle but distinct “ick” and creepy feeling had a basis in reality and wasn’t just due to an overactive imagination.
The combination of the SSH with its description of male behavior patterns and concrete examples of the types, including gammas, has helped me understand some of my feelings and reactions, particularly in the case of a potentially dangerous individual. It has also helped provide a better overall picture for seeing the motivation of others. This refers to both good and bad; the alpha, situational or otherwise, taking charge to ensure everything goes to plan and is successful, and the person (male and female) who is only interested in him or herself and personal achievement and glory.
I could have lived a long and content life not knowing anything about Gaiman. But, now that I do I'm wondering why he isn't being prosecuted, just for starters.
I was also sad to learn that he produced Stardust, I was hoping that I never read or saw anything that he had a hand in creating... I take great pride in aspects of my cultural ignorance.
Rape is very hard to prove. Also, he paid his accusers over $350k combined to shut them up. And that's just what he's confirmed so far.
Neill! You can't do this stuff man! You're not brown!
The whole bath thing really gives me the willies. Imagine you're a woman enjoying a nice relaxing hot bubble bath when suddenly at the other end of the tub Gaiman's curly haired head s-l-o-w-l-y rises out of the bubbly water with those beady little eyes staring right at you. The thought makes me shudder
And this is why he chooses damaged girls whose alarm bells don't start clanging off the walls at an invitation to go take a bubble bath while alone with a strange man at his house.
The wounded bird after all, cannot fly away.
Just when you thought the guy couldn't get creepier.
I doubt that bedrock has been reached yet.
We won't hit that until the first accuser under 18 comes out. I'm surprised we're not there yet.
In that second photo, Gaiman looks like the turkey vultures that lurk at the edge of the forest near where I live. Physiognomy is real.
The first photo is a good opportunity for a facial bifurcation study like the ones Anonymous Conservative used to do back in the day. The left-face in the photo looks like a garden variety creepy pest. The right-face looks downright evil, like he wants to carve you up and eat your entrails or something. He also seems to have the prominent nasolabial folds that AC says are indicators of abuse in childhood.
Combine that with being descendants of Scientologists.
Turkey Vultures at least serve an important role in the wild, poor things, getting compared to a fairytale boogieman. For shame.
>unwind
>behind
>declined
It’s rhymes like this that make me grateful that English is mostly uninflected.
Someone forgot to tell him Last Tango in Paris wasn't a How To
Over Christmas, at a relative's house we watched Stardust. It was morbidly fascinating to see knowing what I knew then about Gaiman's proclivities; there are a lot of bathtub creeper scenes in there. Not to mention the abuse of the main female character from the moment they met, but somehow because reasons she falls in love with him anyway.
The best moment was probably at the beginning, though, when the main character was promising literally anything to the woman who hated him if she'd just marry him; my 12-year-old rolled her eyes and loudly whispered, "Siiiiimp!"
She was not a fan of the movie. We're so proud.
Completely forgot the bathtub stuff! Right there in plain sight! It's always in plain sight!
The bathtub is there, it's always there. It's like a dark menacing shadow on the wall, waiting to pounce.
Yet, there was no bubbles there...
Related, you heard the song the Dark Lord linked? He added it to the post relatively recently.
We see here the arch-typical example of the Gamma being more interested in the ideas he has about a woman than the woman herself.
From the article: `As soon as they began to hook up, the feeling that had drawn her to him — the magical spell of his interest in her individuality — vanished.`
Once the Gamma feels he has closed the deal, he settles into pursuing what he really desires, control over something that has come to symbolize his Ego.
From the article: “He seemed to have a script,” she tells me. “He wanted me to call him ‘master’ immediately.” He demanded that she promise him her soul. “It was like he’d gone into this ritual that had nothing to do with me.”
Well she's half right, it's a ritual.
Seems like he was trying to work some Talmudic black magic on her. Oy vey.
Also, I've only seen the movie, but Coraline seems to me like an anti-grooming story. The heroine realizes the ones trying to drive a wedge between herself and her parents are evil, and has to defeat them, before reconciling herself to her parents and learning to be grateful for them. Are the gamma perverted elements more prominent in the book?
Remember, kids. God forbids sorcery and witchcraft, but he didn't define them clearly enough. Fortunately, through the consideration of rabbis, basically everything is permitted so long as you have the right bloodline.
Look at the shape of the garden at the ending.
Nvr mind, just found the other comment
In a way, it's almost polite to lay it out so openly. Almost, if it wasn't a part of their sick beliefs that you are home free of 'karma'/sin so long as you tell people what you are doing.
It does seem a compulsion more than anything. Whether it's of a kind with duper's delight or the weight of their sins compelling confession, I could not say.