The song "Nothing to Me" by Sanford Clark got pointed as potential Bravo music by my friend. It has policing the hierarchy coupled with not taking the final responsibility for the situation which Bravos often avoid.
The first song sounds like he's writing and emoting what he feels. Very delta, whiny, stuff. While yes, it has a genera, a lot of the same sound and structure fits with today's style of pop that is plug and play between country pop, alternative, and just whatever generic pop label you want to call it.
The second song reminds me of more the stuff I remember back in the 90's. Alternative rock that just put out good songs and told stories that they wanted to tell. Only a few of those bands, really, were all whiny about women. And they were boring. This has that feel - just a song being put out there because it's a song that tells the human condition, and the artist knows it without being actually stuck on the woman.
Missed an obvious lesson here. The lyrics may be a combo of dialectic and rhetoric. The music, the delivery system, isainly to all rhetoric. Perception is based more on delivery.
Songwriter - Depends. If the lyrics are a heartfelt expression of his steadfast love for a specific woman, then Delta. If it's written to make money or score a hit on the charts, then most likely an Alpha or Sigma.
Reading the lyrics -
Protagonist - A scornful smile that flays his soul?!? He's empty except for this one thing of constant pain, the crack in his heart? Either a Delta with very low sense of self worth, or an Omega who is fixated on this one woman who unmercifully looks down on him and probably enjoys humiliating him in public.
...or the lyrics are literal and she stabbed him in the chest so now he needs a pacemaker.
Songwriter - Alpha or Sigma. Probably sick of seeing Deltas helplessly moon over women. Possible streak of cruelty or contempt toward those same Deltas.
2nd version
Protagonist - Sounds like any of the nu-metal Gamma bands.
Songwriter - Again, depends. If it's a heartfelt expression, the woman probably already has a restraining order against him. Gamma or Omega. If it's written for a paycheck or chart position, it sounds like it was written BY a canny Alpha or Sigma, and written FOR for a Gamma or Omega singer that the record company is trying to push. The music itself is professional with skilled guitar, so probably session musicians who were never in the same room with the singer.
The lines "I'm caught between desire and pain/A love so pure and yet profane" - in the first version it evokes a vaguely religious feel, as if the protagonist sees her as almost divine and himself as base. There's also just a hint of something like, yeah she's an angel, but she's also hot and he's got eyes, y'know? He's not a player but he does like how she looks in those jeans.
The second version almost sounds like the songwriter has a definite concept of a fully realized story, but is trying to sneak something dark past the radar while deliberately leaving it vague so listeners can imagine their own more innocent details. Probably Sigma.
First song sounds "whiny" where as the 2nd one is cooler. The vibe in the 2nd song is distracting so it's harder to focus in on the lyrics. It's like listening to Dean Martin, you don't realize he sings romantic songs because of how cool he is.
This struck me as pure Delta Pedestalization throughout the first track's listening, but the genre change really surprisingly obscured that! Very interesting, this. I don't know if it's because I prefer the latter melodic rock to the former style, but it sounded tougher, more masculine and intense, thus covering over quite a lot of that pure pedestalization I could clearly hear in the first track. Excellent audible and immediate example of exactly what Vox has just warned us is very quickly becoming inevitable. I think we'll be more watchful now with this new level of awareness. Thank You, SDL.
The second version, by genre shift, sounds like it was performed by an Alpha/Sigma instead of a delta. It sounds much more impersonal as if they were singing about people they've seen rather than their own experience and point of view. More 'oomph' put into the performance for a crowd rather than getting across personal feeling. There's a similar discordance with the movie Batman Forever and "Kiss from a Rose" where the song may describe what Batman's going through but would never have been sung by him.
The most likely rank for the protagonist is delta. The pedestaling and lack of sensuality exclude alpha/beta/sigma; a gamma would have much wider hate/love emotional swings embedded in the description. It could be an omega given how the lyrics imply he's never interacted with the girl at all, but the phrasing is so romanticized it's not my first conclusion.
The lack of prosaic description in the lyrics makes me doubt the songwriter is a delta. It's an abstract song for a topic that's typically framed as intensely personal. A gamma-penned script would inevitably seek to cast blame on the girl. I'll guess an alpha/bravo wrote it.
The song "Nothing to Me" by Sanford Clark got pointed as potential Bravo music by my friend. It has policing the hierarchy coupled with not taking the final responsibility for the situation which Bravos often avoid.
Song:
https://youtu.be/-gAYiUmir_w?si=WOJMMUvC6tvddMUy
Lyrics:
https://genius.com/Sanford-clark-its-nothing-to-me-lyrics
Excerpt:
[Verse 2]
See that man? She belongs to him, buddy
Better drink up and go while you can
I can tell by the way he looks at you, buddy
That he’s sure a quick-tempered jealous man
[Chorus]
What's that you say?
I guess you’re right
It's nothing to me
The first song sounds like he's writing and emoting what he feels. Very delta, whiny, stuff. While yes, it has a genera, a lot of the same sound and structure fits with today's style of pop that is plug and play between country pop, alternative, and just whatever generic pop label you want to call it.
The second song reminds me of more the stuff I remember back in the 90's. Alternative rock that just put out good songs and told stories that they wanted to tell. Only a few of those bands, really, were all whiny about women. And they were boring. This has that feel - just a song being put out there because it's a song that tells the human condition, and the artist knows it without being actually stuck on the woman.
My daughter calls songs like these, “divorced dad music”
The protagonist is hiding something. maybe a forbidden love.
2nd version changes my mind a bit: still alpha/bravo/sigma for songwriter, but protagonist now sounds more like a Bravo or high delta.
LOVE this version, reminds me of nickelback a bit.
1st song sounds like a gamma putting "pussy on a pedestal" and how it affects him.
1st song: *I* am left with a crack in my heart.
2nd song sounds more descriptive and like the musical protagonist is referring to an issue that isn't just about the woman strangely enough.
2nd song: I'm left with a *crack* in my *heart*
I've heard Radiohead's "Creep" was written as a joke mocking one of the band member's ex-girlfriend's criticism of him.
Missed an obvious lesson here. The lyrics may be a combo of dialectic and rhetoric. The music, the delivery system, isainly to all rhetoric. Perception is based more on delivery.
These lyrics are terrible. Both versions suck. If anyone here is compelled to such things, I recommend silence.
1st version
Listening -
Protagonist - Hardcore Delta.
Songwriter - Depends. If the lyrics are a heartfelt expression of his steadfast love for a specific woman, then Delta. If it's written to make money or score a hit on the charts, then most likely an Alpha or Sigma.
Reading the lyrics -
Protagonist - A scornful smile that flays his soul?!? He's empty except for this one thing of constant pain, the crack in his heart? Either a Delta with very low sense of self worth, or an Omega who is fixated on this one woman who unmercifully looks down on him and probably enjoys humiliating him in public.
...or the lyrics are literal and she stabbed him in the chest so now he needs a pacemaker.
Songwriter - Alpha or Sigma. Probably sick of seeing Deltas helplessly moon over women. Possible streak of cruelty or contempt toward those same Deltas.
2nd version
Protagonist - Sounds like any of the nu-metal Gamma bands.
Songwriter - Again, depends. If it's a heartfelt expression, the woman probably already has a restraining order against him. Gamma or Omega. If it's written for a paycheck or chart position, it sounds like it was written BY a canny Alpha or Sigma, and written FOR for a Gamma or Omega singer that the record company is trying to push. The music itself is professional with skilled guitar, so probably session musicians who were never in the same room with the singer.
The lines "I'm caught between desire and pain/A love so pure and yet profane" - in the first version it evokes a vaguely religious feel, as if the protagonist sees her as almost divine and himself as base. There's also just a hint of something like, yeah she's an angel, but she's also hot and he's got eyes, y'know? He's not a player but he does like how she looks in those jeans.
The second version almost sounds like the songwriter has a definite concept of a fully realized story, but is trying to sneak something dark past the radar while deliberately leaving it vague so listeners can imagine their own more innocent details. Probably Sigma.
A lot of commenters automatically conclude the lyrics show Delta or Gamma low status just because of the effusive praise of the woman’s beauty.
Great enough beauty can elicit awe in any man, no matter how high status he is.
>but I banged fifty 10’s in college, I am totally inured to beauty
You didn’t bang the goddess Athena, did you; and if you met her, you wouldn’t say that.
This is one thing I appreciate about Tolkien as a storyteller: his Alphas and Sigmas still have the proper awe for very great female beauty.
First song sounds "whiny" where as the 2nd one is cooler. The vibe in the 2nd song is distracting so it's harder to focus in on the lyrics. It's like listening to Dean Martin, you don't realize he sings romantic songs because of how cool he is.
Listening it felt like a Delta - the country music style most likely influenced the impression.
But it could be gamma writing an Alpha (or vice versa) as the topic is from Amor Cortese: "What is love but mourning?" Or Il Prigioneiro:
https://youtu.be/Exp3Y_QTbXY
Does the SSH influence the art that much, once the craft is mastered?
This struck me as pure Delta Pedestalization throughout the first track's listening, but the genre change really surprisingly obscured that! Very interesting, this. I don't know if it's because I prefer the latter melodic rock to the former style, but it sounded tougher, more masculine and intense, thus covering over quite a lot of that pure pedestalization I could clearly hear in the first track. Excellent audible and immediate example of exactly what Vox has just warned us is very quickly becoming inevitable. I think we'll be more watchful now with this new level of awareness. Thank You, SDL.
The second version, by genre shift, sounds like it was performed by an Alpha/Sigma instead of a delta. It sounds much more impersonal as if they were singing about people they've seen rather than their own experience and point of view. More 'oomph' put into the performance for a crowd rather than getting across personal feeling. There's a similar discordance with the movie Batman Forever and "Kiss from a Rose" where the song may describe what Batman's going through but would never have been sung by him.
The most likely rank for the protagonist is delta. The pedestaling and lack of sensuality exclude alpha/beta/sigma; a gamma would have much wider hate/love emotional swings embedded in the description. It could be an omega given how the lyrics imply he's never interacted with the girl at all, but the phrasing is so romanticized it's not my first conclusion.
The lack of prosaic description in the lyrics makes me doubt the songwriter is a delta. It's an abstract song for a topic that's typically framed as intensely personal. A gamma-penned script would inevitably seek to cast blame on the girl. I'll guess an alpha/bravo wrote it.