Allowing the public to tell the curious commenter their position would be a tremendous benefit to the commenter. Many probably won't like what the public has to say, but that would be a benefit to the commenter directly.
May I please make a request that, if you go ahead, these posts are easily identifiable so one can delete without subjecting oneself to the inevitable cringe? I ain't got time for dat.
Excellent idea. Can VD do his breakdown after the community responds though? So we can give unbiased opinions instead of repeating what our leader (who’s definitely not our leader) says?
I am a high delt/beta in some situations. It helps explain why I don't mind being in the leadership structure, but have never been very comfortable being the top. Also explains why at times I love and prefer just being an individual on a team who can happily go deep into my task to completion and not give a rip on what ever the guy next to me is doing.
Applying the SSH to major historical figures is intriguing. Some are obvious like Genghis Kahn but others are not, like Theodore Roosevelt. Some people might mistake him for Alpha but IIRC he started off as a gamma but improved himself to a be a high respectable delta.
Wait a minute…my brothers in Christ…are you insinuating I post useless and irrelevant comments designed to provoke a reaction? Are you accusing me of being a…TROLL???
Rate the reader is of interest to me. My life has been a roller coaster as a result of maladjusted behavioural patterns. Vox's brutal honesty is painful at times. His observations and advice on improving one's character have been extremely helpful towards changing these behaviours.
Vox, my advice to you is that you need to make sure submissions are immune from AI. You know the secret kings are going to need help disguising their true self from your expert analysis. So below is a comment I posted a few days ago on one of your posts. I had AI rewrite several times as the gamma, the alpha, the beta, and the sigma. I will reply to my own post several time to show you how AI rewrites it for each one. First the original.
Yes. I am an example of someone who climbed the SSH with a lot of hard on myself. I was a delta/gamma in my earlier years, but was also a drunk. I sobered up through AA at my rock bottom while serving in the USMC at 21 years old. Within the first month of rigorously doing the 12 steps in AA, I started learning how to be honest with myself, probably from my strong Christian upbringing. Through honesty and the serenity prayer (God grant me the serenity To accept the things I cannot change; Courage to change the things I can; And wisdom to know the difference) I was able to move up the SSH. This prayer taught me to shut up and only speak (and care) when appropriate. After honesty took over I started to really get in shape with running and spending time in the gym and doing at home workouts. At this time I was still developing my career and also buying up multi family houses in NYC and fixing them up to rent out. My life just seemed to come together without any effort. I had money, girls and career advancements. 30 years later I have about 1000 direct and indirect reports at work, am a self-made millionaire, an expert in my field, in good shape for my age, have a beautiful, loving wife and an a wonderful boy.
If I was never honest with myself, didn’t focus on self improvement, and didn’t understand what to control and what not to control in life I would have been a drunk loser gamma until my last days.
I may seem like I grew into an Alpha, but I don’t consider myself a true Alpha because helping people that work under me is truly exhausting. It’s very hard to take care of everyone. I do it but it is exhausting. I find as I grow older that I have more Sigma behavior than the desire to be an Alpha.
One thing about the SSH that Vox put into perspective for me was the gamma. I have a gamma that works for me and every question I ask him starts with a song and dance. He puts my bullshit detector into overdrive. And yes he constantly doubles down even when I put the evidence right in his fucking face. When he talks his BS I always ask someone who heard him speak if the gamma thinks he knows the Jedi mind trick. The gamma literally thinks he can change your mind with nonsense and bullshit.
He also has a problem with women. One woman who worked for him ended up trashing her office because he repulsed he so much. He literally made her berserk. Another one of his interdepartmental peers emailed me to show me the totally rude emails he was sending her, and another one cried and went home sick for the day. He also thinks he can kiss my ass and he will curry favor with me. I can’t stand this guy.
So if anyone I’d on the journey to climb the SSH, keep in mind my journey took 30 years, but it was so worth it.
Try not to confuse solicited opinions with unsolicited opinions. Vox literally asked for our opinions, so when I provide one it is not gamma behavior. If you don’t like my opinion or the way I presented it, please show me your credentials to be the opinion police.
While your always welcome to skip over comments that may seem unorthodox or of no interest to you, the mission is to make sure the submissions are authentic. Otherwise, what’s the point of doing the experiment? Gammas always lie and cheat about what they really are.
Firstly, I could care less about my status in the SSH. I know myself, have put in the hard work to make myself successful, and I sure as hell don’t need your validation. I actually don’t need anyone’s validation except God’s.
Secondly, you are correct to say that business isn’t the SSH, but hard work that turns into success cannot be ignored. Especially when it’s repeated over and over. It was never about the money or the girls. It was about the journey. The completion of the journey brought me secondary rewards which I couldn’t help but see.
Thirdly, the AI wasn’t meant to improve anything, it was simply to alert Vox to a potential problem that he already commented on that he could sniff out.
Lastly, I don’t pander. I hate ass ass kissers and never kissed an ass myself. Fortunately for me I will never have to kiss anyone’s ass or try to make a crowd love me. Anything I posted on here came from something inside me. For some reason this substack makes me want to share my experience and opinions largely because it explains to me things I’ve seen over the past 35 years, but never put together. I’ve read a lot of blogs and this is the only one that I feel comfortable commenting on. I’ve commented more on this blog in the last few weeks than I have commented on blogs in the last 15 years.
Sure, here's a revised version with a focus on the Sigma male perspective:
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I’ve always been a lone wolf, carving my own path through life's challenges. In my earlier years, I was caught in a cycle of drinking, often feeling like I didn't belong. My turning point came at 21, when I hit rock bottom while serving in the USMC. It was then that I turned to AA and rigorously worked through the 12 steps, discovering the power of honesty and introspection, influenced by my strong Christian upbringing.
The serenity prayer became my guide: “God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change; courage to change the things I can; and wisdom to know the difference.” This prayer taught me to stay silent when needed and speak up only when necessary. Embracing honesty, I focused on getting in shape through running, gym workouts, and home exercises. During this time, I also began developing my career and investing in multi-family homes in NYC, transforming them into rental properties.
My life seemed to align effortlessly. I had financial success, relationships, and career advancements. Thirty years later, I’m a self-made millionaire with about 1,000 direct and indirect reports at work. I’m in good shape for my age, have a beautiful, loving wife, and a wonderful son.
If I hadn't been honest with myself, focused on self-improvement, and learned what to control and what to let go, I would have remained a directionless drunk. Although some might see me as having grown into an Alpha, I don’t consider myself a true Alpha. Taking care of everyone around me is exhausting, and I find myself leaning more towards Sigma behavior as I grow older.
Vox’s concept of the Gamma brought some clarity for me. I have a Gamma working under me who triggers my bullshit detector with every interaction. He always doubles down even when confronted with evidence and thinks he can manipulate others with nonsense. His issues with women have caused multiple incidents, including one where a woman trashed her office out of frustration with him. Despite his attempts to curry favor with me, I can’t stand his behavior.
Climbing the SSH has been a 30-year journey, but it's been worth every step. For anyone on this path, remember that true growth comes from within and the journey is uniquely your own.
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Does this capture the Sigma perspective you were looking for?
Sure, here's the revised version with a focus on the Alpha male perspective:
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I've always aimed to be at the top, dominating any challenge that came my way. In my younger years, I struggled with drinking, often feeling lost. My turning point came at 21, when I hit rock bottom while serving in the USMC. It was then that I turned to AA and rigorously worked through the 12 steps, discovering the power of honesty and self-discipline, influenced by my strong Christian upbringing.
The serenity prayer became my guide: “God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change; courage to change the things I can; and wisdom to know the difference.” This prayer taught me to speak and act with purpose and conviction. Embracing honesty, I focused on getting in shape through running, gym workouts, and home exercises. During this time, I also began developing my career and investing in multi-family homes in NYC, transforming them into rental properties.
My life came together through hard work and determination. I achieved financial success, built strong relationships, and advanced rapidly in my career. Thirty years later, I’m a self-made millionaire with about 1,000 direct and indirect reports at work. I’m in peak shape for my age, have a beautiful, loving wife, and a wonderful son.
Without honesty, self-improvement, and understanding what to control in life, I would have remained a drunk loser. Many see me as an Alpha, and I embody that role with pride. Leading and taking care of everyone around me is demanding, but it’s a challenge I embrace.
Vox’s concept of the Gamma brought some clarity for me. I have a Gamma working under me who triggers my bullshit detector with every interaction. He always doubles down even when confronted with evidence and thinks he can manipulate others with nonsense. His issues with women have caused multiple incidents, including one where a woman trashed her office out of frustration with him. Despite his attempts to curry favor with me, I can’t stand his behavior.
Climbing the SSH has been a 30-year journey, and it's been worth every step. For anyone on this path, remember that true growth comes from within and the journey is uniquely your own. As an Alpha, I know that leadership and strength define my path, and I wouldn’t have it any other way.
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Does this capture the Alpha perspective you were looking for?
Sure, here’s the revised version from a Gamma male perspective:
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I’ve always felt like I didn’t quite fit in, often struggling with self-doubt and insecurity. In my earlier years, I turned to drinking, which only made things worse. My turning point came at 21, when I hit rock bottom while serving in the USMC. Desperate for change, I turned to AA and started rigorously working through the 12 steps. My strong Christian upbringing taught me the importance of honesty, and I began to learn how to be truthful with myself.
The serenity prayer became my guide: “God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change; courage to change the things I can; and wisdom to know the difference.” This prayer taught me to navigate my emotions and understand my limitations. As I embraced honesty, I started to focus on self-improvement, getting in shape through running, gym workouts, and home exercises. During this time, I also began developing my career and investing in multi-family homes in NYC, fixing them up to rent out.
Despite my insecurities, my life started to come together. I managed to achieve some financial stability, built a few relationships, and advanced in my career. Thirty years later, I have about 1,000 direct and indirect reports at work, am a self-made millionaire, and have a loving wife and a wonderful son.
If I hadn’t been honest with myself and focused on self-improvement, I would have remained a directionless drunk. I don’t consider myself an Alpha or a Sigma; rather, I’ve always felt more comfortable in the background, trying to do my best without seeking the spotlight. Leading others is challenging for me, and I often find myself second-guessing my decisions.
Vox’s concept of the Gamma resonated with me. I see aspects of myself in the Gamma working under me. He triggers my bullshit detector with his constant need to prove himself, even when confronted with evidence to the contrary. His issues with women and attempts to curry favor with me are frustrating, reminding me of my own struggles with acceptance and validation.
Climbing the SSH has been a long and difficult journey, but it’s been worth it. For anyone on this path, remember that true growth comes from within, and the journey is uniquely your own. While I may not be at the top of the hierarchy, I’ve learned to navigate my way through life, finding some semblance of success and stability.
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Does this capture the Gamma perspective you were looking for?
Sure, here’s the revised version from a Beta male perspective:
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I’ve always been the supportive type, the right-hand man who ensures everything runs smoothly. In my earlier years, I struggled with drinking, often feeling lost. My turning point came at 21, when I hit rock bottom while serving in the USMC. Seeking a way out, I turned to AA and rigorously worked through the 12 steps. My strong Christian upbringing taught me the importance of honesty, and I began to learn how to be truthful with myself.
The serenity prayer became my guide: “God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change; courage to change the things I can; and wisdom to know the difference.” This prayer taught me to balance my support role with personal growth. Embracing honesty, I focused on getting in shape through running, gym workouts, and home exercises. During this time, I also began developing my career and investing in multi-family homes in NYC, fixing them up to rent out.
My life started to come together through dedication and hard work. I achieved financial stability, built meaningful relationships, and advanced in my career. Thirty years later, I’m a self-made millionaire with about 1,000 direct and indirect reports at work. I’m in good shape for my age, have a beautiful, loving wife, and a wonderful son.
Without honesty, self-improvement, and understanding what to control and what to let go, I would have remained a directionless drunk. Many see me as the Beta, the reliable second-in-command who supports the Alpha and ensures the team’s success. While leadership is demanding, I find satisfaction in being the stabilizing force.
Vox’s concept of the Gamma brought some clarity for me. I have a Gamma working under me who triggers my bullshit detector with every interaction. He always doubles down even when confronted with evidence and thinks he can manipulate others with nonsense. His issues with women have caused multiple incidents, including one where a woman trashed her office out of frustration with him. Despite his attempts to curry favor with me, I can’t stand his behavior.
Climbing the SSH has been a 30-year journey, but it's been worth every step. For anyone on this path, remember that true growth comes from within and the journey is uniquely your own. As a Beta, I know that my role is essential, and I take pride in being the backbone that supports the Alpha and the team.
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Does this capture the Beta perspective you were looking for?
Right Gamma, you got me on a technicality. Before Vox defined the male socio-sexual hierarchy, wolves were described as alphas and betas. Sorry if I have a hard time adjusting to the new concepts and terminology you just discovered.
BTW, your Substack would be way more successful if you actually posted to it. When taking on an endeavor, shit or get off the pot. Your lack of success is noted.
Based on your opinion of the original submission, what type of man wrote it, an alpha, a beta, a gamma, or a sigma male?
Based on the original submission, the traits and experiences described align most closely with the Sigma male archetype. Here are a few reasons for this assessment:
1. **Independence and Self-Reliance**: The narrative emphasizes personal transformation through self-honesty, self-improvement, and rigorous self-discipline, hallmarks of a Sigma male who operates independently of social hierarchies.
2. **Journey of Self-Discovery**: The emphasis on a personal journey of overcoming addiction and achieving success through internal changes rather than relying on external validation aligns with the introspective and self-sufficient nature of a Sigma male.
3. **Reluctance to Embrace Alpha Status**: Despite achieving significant success and leadership, the writer expresses a preference for operating more independently and finds the responsibilities of leadership exhausting, which is characteristic of a Sigma male's reluctance to conform to traditional Alpha roles.
4. **Critical of Manipulative Behavior**: The detailed critique of the Gamma working under him suggests a keen awareness of social dynamics and a preference for authenticity over superficial manipulation, reflecting a Sigma's disdain for inauthentic behavior.
Overall, the original submission reflects a man who values personal growth, operates effectively within and outside social structures, and prefers independence, all indicative of a Sigma male.
Not exactly a ladder to be climbed. You can borrow more than learn at least for most people. Better to figure out what you sons are and help them be the best versions of it while mitigating the weaknesses they have.
That would be really great.
I’m an Omega and yes, I’m the favorite subject because I’m always freaking out so of course it’s always about me.
And how many who post about themselves, will use all 1,000 words available?
That's such sheer cruelty in every direction that I must applaud it.
Allowing the public to tell the curious commenter their position would be a tremendous benefit to the commenter. Many probably won't like what the public has to say, but that would be a benefit to the commenter directly.
If only human beings worked that way.
So the latest comment trend is a focus on the 'H' in SSH. In earlier months it was with the second 'S.'
May I please make a request that, if you go ahead, these posts are easily identifiable so one can delete without subjecting oneself to the inevitable cringe? I ain't got time for dat.
There used to be a website called 'Am I Hot Or Not? The proposed site could be called 'Am I Gamma Or Not?'
Excellent idea. Can VD do his breakdown after the community responds though? So we can give unbiased opinions instead of repeating what our leader (who’s definitely not our leader) says?
I find it a useful tool.
I am a high delt/beta in some situations. It helps explain why I don't mind being in the leadership structure, but have never been very comfortable being the top. Also explains why at times I love and prefer just being an individual on a team who can happily go deep into my task to completion and not give a rip on what ever the guy next to me is doing.
You can’t apply it to yourself
Applying the SSH to major historical figures is intriguing. Some are obvious like Genghis Kahn but others are not, like Theodore Roosevelt. Some people might mistake him for Alpha but IIRC he started off as a gamma but improved himself to a be a high respectable delta.
Tthat is not entirly true otherwise "game" would not work.
A natural unaware gamma will generally not be mistaken but an aware gamma can act and may put on a great show, but eventually show their true nature.
What do you guys think of us renaming the Daily Wire to the Jew Man Group?
Irrelevant to the topic
Gamma found!
Spartacus would be in bravo (enforcer) or delta (acting enforcer) role here.
You seem to have a theme between your name and posts that says you aren't here for on-topic discussion.
Wait a minute…my brothers in Christ…are you insinuating I post useless and irrelevant comments designed to provoke a reaction? Are you accusing me of being a…TROLL???
These are serious allegations
I would like you guys tapping into the asian movie thing with the beloved character Fu Man Jew.
If you have even the slightest bit of introspection you know your own major flaws already.
You can work on them no matter your SSH. If you are fat and out of shape then go to the gym. Whether you are a gamma or a delta or a bravo.
For example I'm unreliable. Before kids it wasn't a problem but kids really do need a reliable father so I work very hard at it.
If you don't have any ability to look at yourself honestly then there is no way you will correctly determine your SSH rank anyway so why bother?
Rate the reader is of interest to me. My life has been a roller coaster as a result of maladjusted behavioural patterns. Vox's brutal honesty is painful at times. His observations and advice on improving one's character have been extremely helpful towards changing these behaviours.
Because you are kind.
Vox, my advice to you is that you need to make sure submissions are immune from AI. You know the secret kings are going to need help disguising their true self from your expert analysis. So below is a comment I posted a few days ago on one of your posts. I had AI rewrite several times as the gamma, the alpha, the beta, and the sigma. I will reply to my own post several time to show you how AI rewrites it for each one. First the original.
Yes. I am an example of someone who climbed the SSH with a lot of hard on myself. I was a delta/gamma in my earlier years, but was also a drunk. I sobered up through AA at my rock bottom while serving in the USMC at 21 years old. Within the first month of rigorously doing the 12 steps in AA, I started learning how to be honest with myself, probably from my strong Christian upbringing. Through honesty and the serenity prayer (God grant me the serenity To accept the things I cannot change; Courage to change the things I can; And wisdom to know the difference) I was able to move up the SSH. This prayer taught me to shut up and only speak (and care) when appropriate. After honesty took over I started to really get in shape with running and spending time in the gym and doing at home workouts. At this time I was still developing my career and also buying up multi family houses in NYC and fixing them up to rent out. My life just seemed to come together without any effort. I had money, girls and career advancements. 30 years later I have about 1000 direct and indirect reports at work, am a self-made millionaire, an expert in my field, in good shape for my age, have a beautiful, loving wife and an a wonderful boy.
If I was never honest with myself, didn’t focus on self improvement, and didn’t understand what to control and what not to control in life I would have been a drunk loser gamma until my last days.
I may seem like I grew into an Alpha, but I don’t consider myself a true Alpha because helping people that work under me is truly exhausting. It’s very hard to take care of everyone. I do it but it is exhausting. I find as I grow older that I have more Sigma behavior than the desire to be an Alpha.
One thing about the SSH that Vox put into perspective for me was the gamma. I have a gamma that works for me and every question I ask him starts with a song and dance. He puts my bullshit detector into overdrive. And yes he constantly doubles down even when I put the evidence right in his fucking face. When he talks his BS I always ask someone who heard him speak if the gamma thinks he knows the Jedi mind trick. The gamma literally thinks he can change your mind with nonsense and bullshit.
He also has a problem with women. One woman who worked for him ended up trashing her office because he repulsed he so much. He literally made her berserk. Another one of his interdepartmental peers emailed me to show me the totally rude emails he was sending her, and another one cried and went home sick for the day. He also thinks he can kiss my ass and he will curry favor with me. I can’t stand this guy.
So if anyone I’d on the journey to climb the SSH, keep in mind my journey took 30 years, but it was so worth it.
"Vox, my advice to you..." is a characteristic of one type in the SSH... which one is it.
Try not to confuse solicited opinions with unsolicited opinions. Vox literally asked for our opinions, so when I provide one it is not gamma behavior. If you don’t like my opinion or the way I presented it, please show me your credentials to be the opinion police.
Another secret king strikes again.
hah. Read the first sentence and immediately skipped to the replies which were all but guaranteed.
"Listen here, Sigma. Let me lay down some ground rules for you."
If they’re using the same AI you are, I assure you there’ll be no problem.
Exactly. It was meant to be more of a warning than a test.
"I am an example of someone who climbed the SSH with a lot of hard on myself."
Considering the several walls of text in this thread alone, you obviously didn't climb very far.
It’s actually very funny when I see my error. As for as your opinion of me, I don’t care.
How did this demonstration seem like a good idea?
While your always welcome to skip over comments that may seem unorthodox or of no interest to you, the mission is to make sure the submissions are authentic. Otherwise, what’s the point of doing the experiment? Gammas always lie and cheat about what they really are.
Sniffing out a lying Gamma wouldn't be a bad exercise. If your AI submissions are any indication, they won't fool anyone.
Yes. That was the test to discourage AI use.
The original piece isn't indicitive of high SSH so AI didn't improve it.
The piece shows an impressive improvement from bottoming out to material success, but business isn't the SSH.
The rest reads like pandering for validation. The hatred for the Gamma guy is a nice touch, not at all suspicious.
Firstly, I could care less about my status in the SSH. I know myself, have put in the hard work to make myself successful, and I sure as hell don’t need your validation. I actually don’t need anyone’s validation except God’s.
Secondly, you are correct to say that business isn’t the SSH, but hard work that turns into success cannot be ignored. Especially when it’s repeated over and over. It was never about the money or the girls. It was about the journey. The completion of the journey brought me secondary rewards which I couldn’t help but see.
Thirdly, the AI wasn’t meant to improve anything, it was simply to alert Vox to a potential problem that he already commented on that he could sniff out.
Lastly, I don’t pander. I hate ass ass kissers and never kissed an ass myself. Fortunately for me I will never have to kiss anyone’s ass or try to make a crowd love me. Anything I posted on here came from something inside me. For some reason this substack makes me want to share my experience and opinions largely because it explains to me things I’ve seen over the past 35 years, but never put together. I’ve read a lot of blogs and this is the only one that I feel comfortable commenting on. I’ve commented more on this blog in the last few weeks than I have commented on blogs in the last 15 years.
Jim, you may be more comfortable on Reddit
And why would I need to listen to your advice?
Okay, this seems like a bot. Not sure what you are doing with the walls of text.
The sigma
Sure, here's a revised version with a focus on the Sigma male perspective:
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I’ve always been a lone wolf, carving my own path through life's challenges. In my earlier years, I was caught in a cycle of drinking, often feeling like I didn't belong. My turning point came at 21, when I hit rock bottom while serving in the USMC. It was then that I turned to AA and rigorously worked through the 12 steps, discovering the power of honesty and introspection, influenced by my strong Christian upbringing.
The serenity prayer became my guide: “God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change; courage to change the things I can; and wisdom to know the difference.” This prayer taught me to stay silent when needed and speak up only when necessary. Embracing honesty, I focused on getting in shape through running, gym workouts, and home exercises. During this time, I also began developing my career and investing in multi-family homes in NYC, transforming them into rental properties.
My life seemed to align effortlessly. I had financial success, relationships, and career advancements. Thirty years later, I’m a self-made millionaire with about 1,000 direct and indirect reports at work. I’m in good shape for my age, have a beautiful, loving wife, and a wonderful son.
If I hadn't been honest with myself, focused on self-improvement, and learned what to control and what to let go, I would have remained a directionless drunk. Although some might see me as having grown into an Alpha, I don’t consider myself a true Alpha. Taking care of everyone around me is exhausting, and I find myself leaning more towards Sigma behavior as I grow older.
Vox’s concept of the Gamma brought some clarity for me. I have a Gamma working under me who triggers my bullshit detector with every interaction. He always doubles down even when confronted with evidence and thinks he can manipulate others with nonsense. His issues with women have caused multiple incidents, including one where a woman trashed her office out of frustration with him. Despite his attempts to curry favor with me, I can’t stand his behavior.
Climbing the SSH has been a 30-year journey, but it's been worth every step. For anyone on this path, remember that true growth comes from within and the journey is uniquely your own.
---
Does this capture the Sigma perspective you were looking for?
in all likelyhood a sigma wouldn't even think to ask the question let alone write a biography.
Not even close.
Yes. It’s a bit of a Hollywood drama, isn’t it?
The alpha
Sure, here's the revised version with a focus on the Alpha male perspective:
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I've always aimed to be at the top, dominating any challenge that came my way. In my younger years, I struggled with drinking, often feeling lost. My turning point came at 21, when I hit rock bottom while serving in the USMC. It was then that I turned to AA and rigorously worked through the 12 steps, discovering the power of honesty and self-discipline, influenced by my strong Christian upbringing.
The serenity prayer became my guide: “God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change; courage to change the things I can; and wisdom to know the difference.” This prayer taught me to speak and act with purpose and conviction. Embracing honesty, I focused on getting in shape through running, gym workouts, and home exercises. During this time, I also began developing my career and investing in multi-family homes in NYC, transforming them into rental properties.
My life came together through hard work and determination. I achieved financial success, built strong relationships, and advanced rapidly in my career. Thirty years later, I’m a self-made millionaire with about 1,000 direct and indirect reports at work. I’m in peak shape for my age, have a beautiful, loving wife, and a wonderful son.
Without honesty, self-improvement, and understanding what to control in life, I would have remained a drunk loser. Many see me as an Alpha, and I embody that role with pride. Leading and taking care of everyone around me is demanding, but it’s a challenge I embrace.
Vox’s concept of the Gamma brought some clarity for me. I have a Gamma working under me who triggers my bullshit detector with every interaction. He always doubles down even when confronted with evidence and thinks he can manipulate others with nonsense. His issues with women have caused multiple incidents, including one where a woman trashed her office out of frustration with him. Despite his attempts to curry favor with me, I can’t stand his behavior.
Climbing the SSH has been a 30-year journey, and it's been worth every step. For anyone on this path, remember that true growth comes from within and the journey is uniquely your own. As an Alpha, I know that leadership and strength define my path, and I wouldn’t have it any other way.
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Does this capture the Alpha perspective you were looking for?
The gamma
Sure, here’s the revised version from a Gamma male perspective:
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I’ve always felt like I didn’t quite fit in, often struggling with self-doubt and insecurity. In my earlier years, I turned to drinking, which only made things worse. My turning point came at 21, when I hit rock bottom while serving in the USMC. Desperate for change, I turned to AA and started rigorously working through the 12 steps. My strong Christian upbringing taught me the importance of honesty, and I began to learn how to be truthful with myself.
The serenity prayer became my guide: “God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change; courage to change the things I can; and wisdom to know the difference.” This prayer taught me to navigate my emotions and understand my limitations. As I embraced honesty, I started to focus on self-improvement, getting in shape through running, gym workouts, and home exercises. During this time, I also began developing my career and investing in multi-family homes in NYC, fixing them up to rent out.
Despite my insecurities, my life started to come together. I managed to achieve some financial stability, built a few relationships, and advanced in my career. Thirty years later, I have about 1,000 direct and indirect reports at work, am a self-made millionaire, and have a loving wife and a wonderful son.
If I hadn’t been honest with myself and focused on self-improvement, I would have remained a directionless drunk. I don’t consider myself an Alpha or a Sigma; rather, I’ve always felt more comfortable in the background, trying to do my best without seeking the spotlight. Leading others is challenging for me, and I often find myself second-guessing my decisions.
Vox’s concept of the Gamma resonated with me. I see aspects of myself in the Gamma working under me. He triggers my bullshit detector with his constant need to prove himself, even when confronted with evidence to the contrary. His issues with women and attempts to curry favor with me are frustrating, reminding me of my own struggles with acceptance and validation.
Climbing the SSH has been a long and difficult journey, but it’s been worth it. For anyone on this path, remember that true growth comes from within, and the journey is uniquely your own. While I may not be at the top of the hierarchy, I’ve learned to navigate my way through life, finding some semblance of success and stability.
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Does this capture the Gamma perspective you were looking for?
The beta
Sure, here’s the revised version from a Beta male perspective:
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I’ve always been the supportive type, the right-hand man who ensures everything runs smoothly. In my earlier years, I struggled with drinking, often feeling lost. My turning point came at 21, when I hit rock bottom while serving in the USMC. Seeking a way out, I turned to AA and rigorously worked through the 12 steps. My strong Christian upbringing taught me the importance of honesty, and I began to learn how to be truthful with myself.
The serenity prayer became my guide: “God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change; courage to change the things I can; and wisdom to know the difference.” This prayer taught me to balance my support role with personal growth. Embracing honesty, I focused on getting in shape through running, gym workouts, and home exercises. During this time, I also began developing my career and investing in multi-family homes in NYC, fixing them up to rent out.
My life started to come together through dedication and hard work. I achieved financial stability, built meaningful relationships, and advanced in my career. Thirty years later, I’m a self-made millionaire with about 1,000 direct and indirect reports at work. I’m in good shape for my age, have a beautiful, loving wife, and a wonderful son.
Without honesty, self-improvement, and understanding what to control and what to let go, I would have remained a directionless drunk. Many see me as the Beta, the reliable second-in-command who supports the Alpha and ensures the team’s success. While leadership is demanding, I find satisfaction in being the stabilizing force.
Vox’s concept of the Gamma brought some clarity for me. I have a Gamma working under me who triggers my bullshit detector with every interaction. He always doubles down even when confronted with evidence and thinks he can manipulate others with nonsense. His issues with women have caused multiple incidents, including one where a woman trashed her office out of frustration with him. Despite his attempts to curry favor with me, I can’t stand his behavior.
Climbing the SSH has been a 30-year journey, but it's been worth every step. For anyone on this path, remember that true growth comes from within and the journey is uniquely your own. As a Beta, I know that my role is essential, and I take pride in being the backbone that supports the Alpha and the team.
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Does this capture the Beta perspective you were looking for?
"Does this capture the Beta perspective you were looking for?"
He is a Bravo. You claim to get him, who he is, but you can't get his name and his rank correctly?
Right Gamma, you got me on a technicality. Before Vox defined the male socio-sexual hierarchy, wolves were described as alphas and betas. Sorry if I have a hard time adjusting to the new concepts and terminology you just discovered.
BTW, your Substack would be way more successful if you actually posted to it. When taking on an endeavor, shit or get off the pot. Your lack of success is noted.
And finally, I looked in the mirror.
Based on your opinion of the original submission, what type of man wrote it, an alpha, a beta, a gamma, or a sigma male?
Based on the original submission, the traits and experiences described align most closely with the Sigma male archetype. Here are a few reasons for this assessment:
1. **Independence and Self-Reliance**: The narrative emphasizes personal transformation through self-honesty, self-improvement, and rigorous self-discipline, hallmarks of a Sigma male who operates independently of social hierarchies.
2. **Journey of Self-Discovery**: The emphasis on a personal journey of overcoming addiction and achieving success through internal changes rather than relying on external validation aligns with the introspective and self-sufficient nature of a Sigma male.
3. **Reluctance to Embrace Alpha Status**: Despite achieving significant success and leadership, the writer expresses a preference for operating more independently and finds the responsibilities of leadership exhausting, which is characteristic of a Sigma male's reluctance to conform to traditional Alpha roles.
4. **Critical of Manipulative Behavior**: The detailed critique of the Gamma working under him suggests a keen awareness of social dynamics and a preference for authenticity over superficial manipulation, reflecting a Sigma's disdain for inauthentic behavior.
Overall, the original submission reflects a man who values personal growth, operates effectively within and outside social structures, and prefers independence, all indicative of a Sigma male.
Your walls of text are indicative enough for the rest of us to know you are indeed a Sigma. Congratulations, everyone is clapping at you now.
Great idea. I doubt you'll get more than a handful of non-gamma entries. Still could be useful, though.
Vox, for those men with sons, do you have any insight into how a father might shape his son's SSH?
Not exactly a ladder to be climbed. You can borrow more than learn at least for most people. Better to figure out what you sons are and help them be the best versions of it while mitigating the weaknesses they have.
Encourage the son to join a group and learn to lead & grow it.