Im less than 365 days until the big five oh - you bet your ass I get after it 6 days a week, 11 months a year and race competitively with the kids to stay sharp. As much as you work out also remember recovery time is more important with age.
I'm 60 and all I know is that getting a lot of (low impact) exercise and lifting weights makes me feel better. Sedentary career, so need to make time to exercise...when I don't exercise, I feel miserable, when I do, I feel great.
I recently turned 60. I still lift weights twice a week and I lift heavy with no more than 5 reps per set. Do I wake up feeling sore every morning? You bet. And I feel that way whether I workout or not because... I'm 60. What's the alternative? Not lift, be weak, and still have aches? I don't fucking think so.
Putting on muscle helps with catastrophic autoimmune issues and accidents too. The worst breakout accompanied a loss of 48 pounds in two months. Collapsing to 169 pounds is worlds better than collapsing to 131 at 6 ft tall.
Likewise was hit by a truck 7 years ago. Vertebrae bruised all the way through on one side. Docs said just a pound or two more force or a little less muscle and the spine would've been bruised.
It's foolish to toss away the benefits of increased strength and durability when inevitable bad stuff happens.
As I read this I couldn't but think of the movie "Revenge of the Nerds" (1984). I hated that movie and found myself rooting for the Alpha Betas throughout. The musical "Wicked" (2003) is the more modern equivalent of this consistently repeating theme in entertainment. I refused to see "Wicked". My wife did. She hated it. I knew what it was without even seeing it.
Hollywood and Broadway are full of wretched miserable Gammas.
Mean Girls too- it’s revenge fantasy, and even then the low status female writers can’t see a way to have the popular girl naturally stop being popular, so they have her get hit by a bus.
They can’t even fantasize about being strong enough to actually win on their own- they need to imagine divine intervention which they frame as bad luck because they can’t admit of the divine.
So, he's never really worked a trade or spent time around men who have? That work breaks a lot of strong men right down because of long hours and lifestyle. They're so busy doing the hard work, much of it lifting in awkward ways/places, that they're not being as careful as they should. And they pay for it. My dad and all of his buddies (all HVAC guys or plumbers) had severe back and knee problems by age 35
Strength training (which is just weight lifting, but it sounds less intimidating to oldsters) is absolutely essential for maintaining mobility and health in old age. But at 60 you're not powerlifting six times a week; 30 minutes once a week will get you most of the benefits so long as you lift intensely. It's enough to stop you from losing lean muscle mass as you age, as nearly all normies do. Walking is another great old age exercise that never stops being beneficial.
I'm a big fan of a form of strength training sometimes called "superslow" or "slow burn". You take 10 seconds up, 10 seconds down, and the turnarounds are as slow as you can make them. The idea is you're not allowed to use momentum, so you minimize the chance of injury. In my mid-50s I've being doing this weekly for 15 years, and so far never had even a hint of an injury. Also, I don't have any of the aches or pains my contemporaries sometimes complain about. But back in my 30s I did have a bunch of occasional weirdly sore muscles and spasms and clicking joints and days when I couldn't turn my neck to look behind me; all of that went away when I started lifting and has never come back.
In exercise, dose matters. It's true that too much exercise can be counterproductive. But the joint problems of long-time bodybuilders and ultramarathoners don't negate the large benefits of smaller amounts of exercise. Stay away from the more dangerous forms of exercise (running, Crossfit) and learn to lift safely with proper form.
It wouldn't be such a bad argument if it was true. But trades work is crazy hard on your body. Tons of guys injured and disabled. Heck, flooring and carpet installers have the highest rates of heart attacks.
>Don’t listen to the Gammas and their cope. No matter what your age, you can improve from where you are today. Hit the weights. Walk 30 minutes a day. Cut your carb-intake. Stretch every day. Father Time is going to win in the end, but you don’t have to spend your old age being weak, infirm, and overweight.
>used picture of AI generated man, and even the AI makes this old guy bald
What a stupid, stupid, jealous, pathetic creature. Bragging about being weak. I am so glad that even in my most delusional moments, I never looked at my weakness as something to cherish. This is what stupid movies like REVENGE OF THE NERDS gets us.
I have never felt better about myself than when I overcome things like weakness and fear, or those two combined. I refused to quit my first SPARTAN RACE. That taught me a lot about will. Refusing to quit, even if your body is begging you to and you cannot conceive it's even possible to finish on two feet. Sort of like the movie HACKSAW RIDGE: "Just one more..."
And every PR on my deadlifts felt awesome. Even though my own results were meager, I always feel like THE INCREDBILE HULK on deadlifts.
Further, the only time weights hurt my body was from me dropping the 20KG plate right on my pinky toe. (Terrible experience, do not recommend. 2/10) My body is tighter, stronger and more resistant to goofy little injuries while I'm lifting. Not now, with me lazy and massively overweight and a lazy arse day in bed can throw my back out.
I would love to see someone backhand this dork with a glove. You just know he'd stand there, clueless.
'I have never felt better about myself than when I overcome things like weakness and fear, or those two combined.'
People who have their own stories, stories about what they tried and failed with, they will always be the most interesting. And watching someone grow, that's always a story people want to hear.
Vox quoted someone else here once (IIRC) saying "Man is not a rational creature, but a RATIONALIZING one."
Pretty sure that inspired me to be brutally honest with myself after that. "Yes, buying this expensive guitar is really stupid but I really, really want it." No lies to myself told.
The lifelong injuries i have from high school tennis absolutely dwarf anything ive ever gotten from weight lifting. They are fairly minor life long injuries but i have zero from lifting. Most of my lack of lifting is some other nagging injury preventing it.
The reason most people begin “falling part” after 40 is combination of a sedentary lifestyle and poor diet combined with smoking and/or excessive alcohol consumption.
Yes, wear and tear will take its toll as you get older. You will suffer injury setbacks. But most people can get back on the horse again provided they have developed the good habits and know how to do so. You may have to adjust the type and intensity of exercise but this is much easier to do when you already have the knowledge and experience of implementing a fitness regime.
I’m in my 40s and run ~25 miles a week + 2 strength work outs at the gym. I’ve never been fitter, even compared to when I played team sports. Only bad injury I’ve had recently was an avulsion fracture from a bad landing on a rough downward slope which put me out of action for 12 weeks. So, an accident not a wear and tear injury.
I run with guys who are still entering ultramarathons into their 60s and 70s and as you would expect they can still do mostly everything they could do in their 20s and 30s. Have they been ‘lucky’ to avoid debilitating injury? To an extent, yes. But it seems probable that their latter life fitness is a causal effect of their adherence to physical activity rather than the other way round.
Im less than 365 days until the big five oh - you bet your ass I get after it 6 days a week, 11 months a year and race competitively with the kids to stay sharp. As much as you work out also remember recovery time is more important with age.
I'm 60 and all I know is that getting a lot of (low impact) exercise and lifting weights makes me feel better. Sedentary career, so need to make time to exercise...when I don't exercise, I feel miserable, when I do, I feel great.
I recently turned 60. I still lift weights twice a week and I lift heavy with no more than 5 reps per set. Do I wake up feeling sore every morning? You bet. And I feel that way whether I workout or not because... I'm 60. What's the alternative? Not lift, be weak, and still have aches? I don't fucking think so.
Putting on muscle helps with catastrophic autoimmune issues and accidents too. The worst breakout accompanied a loss of 48 pounds in two months. Collapsing to 169 pounds is worlds better than collapsing to 131 at 6 ft tall.
Likewise was hit by a truck 7 years ago. Vertebrae bruised all the way through on one side. Docs said just a pound or two more force or a little less muscle and the spine would've been bruised.
It's foolish to toss away the benefits of increased strength and durability when inevitable bad stuff happens.
The only psy-op here is the gamma's post. Lifting is life!
What sounds better: 30 minutes - 1 hour of daily exercise OR decades of going in and out of the hospital?
It's the typical Gamma inversion game. "Being the weak one is really being the strong one... look, I win yet again!".
As I read this I couldn't but think of the movie "Revenge of the Nerds" (1984). I hated that movie and found myself rooting for the Alpha Betas throughout. The musical "Wicked" (2003) is the more modern equivalent of this consistently repeating theme in entertainment. I refused to see "Wicked". My wife did. She hated it. I knew what it was without even seeing it.
Hollywood and Broadway are full of wretched miserable Gammas.
Mean Girls too- it’s revenge fantasy, and even then the low status female writers can’t see a way to have the popular girl naturally stop being popular, so they have her get hit by a bus.
They can’t even fantasize about being strong enough to actually win on their own- they need to imagine divine intervention which they frame as bad luck because they can’t admit of the divine.
So, he's never really worked a trade or spent time around men who have? That work breaks a lot of strong men right down because of long hours and lifestyle. They're so busy doing the hard work, much of it lifting in awkward ways/places, that they're not being as careful as they should. And they pay for it. My dad and all of his buddies (all HVAC guys or plumbers) had severe back and knee problems by age 35
Strength training (which is just weight lifting, but it sounds less intimidating to oldsters) is absolutely essential for maintaining mobility and health in old age. But at 60 you're not powerlifting six times a week; 30 minutes once a week will get you most of the benefits so long as you lift intensely. It's enough to stop you from losing lean muscle mass as you age, as nearly all normies do. Walking is another great old age exercise that never stops being beneficial.
I'm a big fan of a form of strength training sometimes called "superslow" or "slow burn". You take 10 seconds up, 10 seconds down, and the turnarounds are as slow as you can make them. The idea is you're not allowed to use momentum, so you minimize the chance of injury. In my mid-50s I've being doing this weekly for 15 years, and so far never had even a hint of an injury. Also, I don't have any of the aches or pains my contemporaries sometimes complain about. But back in my 30s I did have a bunch of occasional weirdly sore muscles and spasms and clicking joints and days when I couldn't turn my neck to look behind me; all of that went away when I started lifting and has never come back.
In exercise, dose matters. It's true that too much exercise can be counterproductive. But the joint problems of long-time bodybuilders and ultramarathoners don't negate the large benefits of smaller amounts of exercise. Stay away from the more dangerous forms of exercise (running, Crossfit) and learn to lift safely with proper form.
Ive never met a cross fitter who isnt injured
The only place they can be a situational Alpha without doing this.
Is in the Managerial position. To be "Experts" determining policy. But since the Chevron verdict that path to power has been cut down.
Your insight into the meaning and consequences from Chevron is brilliant.
It wouldn't be such a bad argument if it was true. But trades work is crazy hard on your body. Tons of guys injured and disabled. Heck, flooring and carpet installers have the highest rates of heart attacks.
Agree-witnessed much of this in my father's construction company.
>Don’t listen to the Gammas and their cope. No matter what your age, you can improve from where you are today. Hit the weights. Walk 30 minutes a day. Cut your carb-intake. Stretch every day. Father Time is going to win in the end, but you don’t have to spend your old age being weak, infirm, and overweight.
>used picture of AI generated man, and even the AI makes this old guy bald
"even the AI makes this old guy bald"
Nothing wrong with an old guy being bald. Looks better than being the fat nerd from South Park.
Also I agree with the premise of this post, I just thought that was funny. But it is kind of over for oldcels
Get off of 4chan
Uhh, actually I use SOYJAK PARTY!!!!!
Nah, cut the defeatist crap.
What is funny about old men not having hair?
"But it is kind of over for oldcels"
Men should always be fighting.
Amen.
Okay mister norwood. We get it
The AI made the guy look like Pavel, which I thought a great choice. That’s just my two cents.
What a stupid, stupid, jealous, pathetic creature. Bragging about being weak. I am so glad that even in my most delusional moments, I never looked at my weakness as something to cherish. This is what stupid movies like REVENGE OF THE NERDS gets us.
I have never felt better about myself than when I overcome things like weakness and fear, or those two combined. I refused to quit my first SPARTAN RACE. That taught me a lot about will. Refusing to quit, even if your body is begging you to and you cannot conceive it's even possible to finish on two feet. Sort of like the movie HACKSAW RIDGE: "Just one more..."
And every PR on my deadlifts felt awesome. Even though my own results were meager, I always feel like THE INCREDBILE HULK on deadlifts.
Further, the only time weights hurt my body was from me dropping the 20KG plate right on my pinky toe. (Terrible experience, do not recommend. 2/10) My body is tighter, stronger and more resistant to goofy little injuries while I'm lifting. Not now, with me lazy and massively overweight and a lazy arse day in bed can throw my back out.
I would love to see someone backhand this dork with a glove. You just know he'd stand there, clueless.
'I have never felt better about myself than when I overcome things like weakness and fear, or those two combined.'
People who have their own stories, stories about what they tried and failed with, they will always be the most interesting. And watching someone grow, that's always a story people want to hear.
There's always a reason to not do something.
Gammas use their over-average intelligence to justify things, especially to themselves.
Vox quoted someone else here once (IIRC) saying "Man is not a rational creature, but a RATIONALIZING one."
Pretty sure that inspired me to be brutally honest with myself after that. "Yes, buying this expensive guitar is really stupid but I really, really want it." No lies to myself told.
The lifelong injuries i have from high school tennis absolutely dwarf anything ive ever gotten from weight lifting. They are fairly minor life long injuries but i have zero from lifting. Most of my lack of lifting is some other nagging injury preventing it.
The reason most people begin “falling part” after 40 is combination of a sedentary lifestyle and poor diet combined with smoking and/or excessive alcohol consumption.
Yes, wear and tear will take its toll as you get older. You will suffer injury setbacks. But most people can get back on the horse again provided they have developed the good habits and know how to do so. You may have to adjust the type and intensity of exercise but this is much easier to do when you already have the knowledge and experience of implementing a fitness regime.
I’m in my 40s and run ~25 miles a week + 2 strength work outs at the gym. I’ve never been fitter, even compared to when I played team sports. Only bad injury I’ve had recently was an avulsion fracture from a bad landing on a rough downward slope which put me out of action for 12 weeks. So, an accident not a wear and tear injury.
I run with guys who are still entering ultramarathons into their 60s and 70s and as you would expect they can still do mostly everything they could do in their 20s and 30s. Have they been ‘lucky’ to avoid debilitating injury? To an extent, yes. But it seems probable that their latter life fitness is a causal effect of their adherence to physical activity rather than the other way round.