Maybe this is why my marriage is so successful; I looked for and married a man I considered smarter than I am and I ask his opinion on every important decision I make; and vice versa. My best friend, confidant and fellow soldier in life. I can't help but think that if more women chose their mates based on that criteria, (instead of looks, charm and income), their relationships might work out.
Oh, I agree with Vox that the standalone paragraph he quotes from Miles is very gamma. I’m just taking Miles’ statement as a whole, not just that one paragraph.
Remember, Mathis does not typically write stuff like this. This 10 pager he put together is called his version of a blog post.
And knowing his relationship won’t last because of the age difference shows he is not stuck in some gamma delusion.
I talked to Miles Mathis once. His number was on the page for a while (to sell art), the callback i got indicated a number different coastally from where he is supposed to live. This minute call, focusing on minutiae (the guy says “i only talk about art, the political stuff people just want to go on and on….”) gave voice to a slightly sociopathic mentality, I thought, where it was mentioned that some ol’ guy, who has a bunch of his paintings, was about to die soon. The voice was of a college-educated American genx’er, no doubt about it. Slightly effeminate. Zero traces of a Southerner/or/from/Texas. I felt a little icky about this call (made during offtime at work, in the evening, and to a bloke who was almost certainly at home lonely and alone, for all his prestigious familial ranking)…. So, why did I make the call? It was somewhat at the instigation of boomer blogger Allan Weisbecker (rip), whose take on the likelihood of that page being a major, mini-wikipedia level psyop is (I think?) brilliant. But Weis didn’t want to hear that there was an actual person who can be spoken to. Insisted it was just some random employee, which I suppose is possible. (Typical! The “mm” site, though I’ve read it has an ip in County Cork, clearly has American members.) Miles it seems is at least a real, quasi-pre-Raphaelite artist selling some paintings to yuppy households with no qualms of nudity. Btw, I think he’s gay
This is a paragraph further up from Vox’s quote. It does not sound very gamma to me.
The interesting story to go along with that is that I dated this girl very briefly when I was about 40 and she was 22. It was just before I went to Europe—when I first became aware that my youthful looks were a curse in disguise. Yes, though youthful looks were what allowed me to date this girl in the first place, which may look like a blessing, but it didn't work out that way. At first she thought I was another student, maybe a grad student, but once she saw my apartment she began to get suspicious. It wasn't the apartment of a grad student, since I had way too much interesting stuff. It wasn't a matter of wealth, since I had none, it was a matter of all the paintings and books and so on. No one could have painted all those paintings by age 25. So she did the addition and began to ask questions. She asked how old I was. I said how old do you think I look. She said 25, maybe 27. I said, well, that is good enough for me. I had been guessed at 23 that month by a girl at the pizza parlor. I didn't want to tell my friend my age because I knew it was a problem. I saw it coming. After we had slept together a few times, she thought to go online and do some digging. She came back and said “I know you are 40. I can't date a 40-year-old. What if I married you? You would get old long before I did!” So she went back to her 25-year-old previous boyfriend. I ran into her after that and told her he would get old before I did. She looked at me like I was crazy. Or a vampire or something. How could he get old before I did? But I predicted it for several reasons. One, I looked better than he did right then, which should have been her first clue. That is why she had been dating me. She wasn't dating me for my brains, she was dating me for my pretty face. Sad but true, and of course I knew it. It doesn't only happen to women, you know. Two, he didn't look like the kind of guy who took care of himself. He already had lines around his eyes, from drinking or drugs, probably.
I, I, I, I, I, I ... final count of 25 references to "I" or "me". Wall of text. Humble-bragging (youthful looks, too much interesting stuff, my pretty face, etc).
I think you need to spend more time studying the SSH before contradicting the judgement of the creator of the SSH.
I think Vox mentioned on a Darkstream that CS Lewis was likely Gamma. Reformed Gamma based on the insightful details of writing the characters of Edward and Eustace.
Another thing about him is that, while his art is good, his scientific theories have merit, and his writing is proficient, he nevertheless comes across as someone who whines and makes excuses for why he can't do things. If his science is as revolutionary as it seems, then there should be simple experiments that would prove it, and he has even talked about some, like a variation on the double slit experiment. But he will complain that the "Phoenicians" control everything and won't give him funding, despite the fact that there are many ways to get funding in the internet age. Or he complains there are no galleries that showcase good art, but he won't start one himself (again, Phoenicians, no funding, etc.). If he's content to live as a poor artist/writer, that's fine, but it's annoying to read him gripe about other people not doing the hard work for him. I'm surprised he hasn't claimed that all women who have rejected him only did so because they were paid off by the Phoenicians.
Secret King MM mentions getting "talked over." Few years ago my boss taught me his trick for dealing with over-talkers. You don't simply talk louder(although that definitely works too if you can afford a confrontation), but you do have to keep talking. That can be difficult if you're a sperg, because of the interference. But the real magic is this: you talk slower, lower(deeper), and more quietly. Keep getting slower, lower, and quieter. You get low enough, slow enough, and quiet enough--they'll crack. They'll stop and ask you to repeat yourself. Then you can talk normally. Shit really works, but you might have to do it a few times. Try it yourself.
This does work -- if you can drop the octave in your speaking voice. If you are cursed with a higher pitch, it does not work.
One of my many sins is that I interrupt people and I also will not stop talking until I've said what I want to say. It is often an ... advantage in my particular line of work, but if I forget to turn it off I will irritate people, as my wife sometimes informs me.
Oh and lean back as you do this. Over-talk will drown you out, but body language cannot be drowned out. I'm not sure on why the leaning back works, but its part of it.
Dang. I feel so stupid. It just dawned on my that the band Booster Patrol predicted the global pushback as a consequence of the jab. Booster Patrol should be the name for the entire global revolutionary movement. F**king brilliant, Vox. F**king brilliant.
Women are always interested in what I have to say. I can't relate with the article. I feel delusional saying this because it sounds uncommon. I don't think I am alpha either.
Whining definitely lowers your SSH instantly and is a sign for the women to head to the nearest exit. Gammas complain a lot more than other SSH ranks and it is absolutely infuriating to listen to. Especially the "Oh, I am so superior" variety.
Gammas: No one owes you their attention, or is obligated to consider your Very Important Feelings and Opinions.
Keep in mind that Miles is referencing a short relationship that he had with a woman when she was 22 and he was 40. She later met up with him when she was 37 and he was 55 and she said he was right about the boy she eventually chose and that Miles was the better choice.
I don’t know if that fits in quite well with a gamma.
A Gamma can be right. It's not about technical correctness, but attitude and general mindset.
The fact he was right and the woman didn't care what he thought is evidence of Gamma. If he was Alpha/high SSH, she'd go along with him even if he was wrong.
The fact he's writing about it after the fact with so many words is again confirming evidence of his Gamma rank.
I don’t know if that is a fair assessment. He manages to get women to strip down and pose naked for him and he successfully dated a 22 year old at 40. Yes, I would argue he is sensitive in his writing, but I don’t get the impression that he is regaling all of these women with his theories. In fact, I do recall that he got revealed when some woman looked him up at the prompting of her brother.
I understand Vox’s point, but I think that paragraph he wrote should be taken in context of the entire article.
I know a gamma who specializes in seducing very young women with extreme family issues exclusively through online chatgroups. I have no idea how he finds these groups but he's done it for years and has a talent for finding these places. AOL -> IRC channels -> forums -> Discord sort of progression. The relationships never last long. He manages to get women but his behavioral patterns are completely gamma and the relationship dynamic conforms to what you'd expect very quickly.
In other words women treat gammas like they're trying to weasel into their pants because they actually are and they occasionally succeed.
He managed to get the foot in the door because of his looks. But he got kicked out of the house as soon as the women got to know him a little. That's simply a good looking Gamma.
It is a fair assessment that Gamma is an attitude and mindset independent of objective correctness on the facts. It's about how people react to you, whether you are right or wrong.
It is a fair assessment that Vox's observations are objective evidence of Miles having a Gamma mindset and approach towards women.
Also, Miles dating a 22 year old at 40 involved deception about his own age. He hid it and she had to dig to find out. His shame at his own age and his arguments that it didn't matter created an incoherency that signaled weakness and decreased her attraction for him.
The fact he was "right" about his 40 year old self aging better than her 25 year old boyfriend is petty, and bragging that she admitted he was right is vainly Gamma.
While this SSH analysis of Miles is accurate and educational, I feel compelled to add a reminder that Miles' model of the nuclei of the elements is plausible and profound and really seems to explain much that physicists and chemists never properly explained. I can't say for certain that it's correct, but it strikes me as the best hypothesis we have. If he's right, he's one of the greatest chemists of all time. Right or wrong, he certainly thinks like a genuine scientist. If anyone plans to read him, I recommend his articles on the periodic table, elements, and molecules first. It's an interesting facet of human nature that someone can be so scientifically capable yet so unable to apply those analytic skills to one's own relationships.
Maybe this is why my marriage is so successful; I looked for and married a man I considered smarter than I am and I ask his opinion on every important decision I make; and vice versa. My best friend, confidant and fellow soldier in life. I can't help but think that if more women chose their mates based on that criteria, (instead of looks, charm and income), their relationships might work out.
Well, I finally understand the type of person this song was written for
now.
https://youtu.be/Ggj8AI_Woo0
Oh, I agree with Vox that the standalone paragraph he quotes from Miles is very gamma. I’m just taking Miles’ statement as a whole, not just that one paragraph.
Remember, Mathis does not typically write stuff like this. This 10 pager he put together is called his version of a blog post.
And knowing his relationship won’t last because of the age difference shows he is not stuck in some gamma delusion.
I talked to Miles Mathis once. His number was on the page for a while (to sell art), the callback i got indicated a number different coastally from where he is supposed to live. This minute call, focusing on minutiae (the guy says “i only talk about art, the political stuff people just want to go on and on….”) gave voice to a slightly sociopathic mentality, I thought, where it was mentioned that some ol’ guy, who has a bunch of his paintings, was about to die soon. The voice was of a college-educated American genx’er, no doubt about it. Slightly effeminate. Zero traces of a Southerner/or/from/Texas. I felt a little icky about this call (made during offtime at work, in the evening, and to a bloke who was almost certainly at home lonely and alone, for all his prestigious familial ranking)…. So, why did I make the call? It was somewhat at the instigation of boomer blogger Allan Weisbecker (rip), whose take on the likelihood of that page being a major, mini-wikipedia level psyop is (I think?) brilliant. But Weis didn’t want to hear that there was an actual person who can be spoken to. Insisted it was just some random employee, which I suppose is possible. (Typical! The “mm” site, though I’ve read it has an ip in County Cork, clearly has American members.) Miles it seems is at least a real, quasi-pre-Raphaelite artist selling some paintings to yuppy households with no qualms of nudity. Btw, I think he’s gay
This is a paragraph further up from Vox’s quote. It does not sound very gamma to me.
The interesting story to go along with that is that I dated this girl very briefly when I was about 40 and she was 22. It was just before I went to Europe—when I first became aware that my youthful looks were a curse in disguise. Yes, though youthful looks were what allowed me to date this girl in the first place, which may look like a blessing, but it didn't work out that way. At first she thought I was another student, maybe a grad student, but once she saw my apartment she began to get suspicious. It wasn't the apartment of a grad student, since I had way too much interesting stuff. It wasn't a matter of wealth, since I had none, it was a matter of all the paintings and books and so on. No one could have painted all those paintings by age 25. So she did the addition and began to ask questions. She asked how old I was. I said how old do you think I look. She said 25, maybe 27. I said, well, that is good enough for me. I had been guessed at 23 that month by a girl at the pizza parlor. I didn't want to tell my friend my age because I knew it was a problem. I saw it coming. After we had slept together a few times, she thought to go online and do some digging. She came back and said “I know you are 40. I can't date a 40-year-old. What if I married you? You would get old long before I did!” So she went back to her 25-year-old previous boyfriend. I ran into her after that and told her he would get old before I did. She looked at me like I was crazy. Or a vampire or something. How could he get old before I did? But I predicted it for several reasons. One, I looked better than he did right then, which should have been her first clue. That is why she had been dating me. She wasn't dating me for my brains, she was dating me for my pretty face. Sad but true, and of course I knew it. It doesn't only happen to women, you know. Two, he didn't look like the kind of guy who took care of himself. He already had lines around his eyes, from drinking or drugs, probably.
I, I, I, I, I, I ... final count of 25 references to "I" or "me". Wall of text. Humble-bragging (youthful looks, too much interesting stuff, my pretty face, etc).
I think you need to spend more time studying the SSH before contradicting the judgement of the creator of the SSH.
The narcissism of “The women don’t like me? It must be because there’s something wrong with them.”
So many women since have been members of the Phoenician Navy as well.
What socio-sexual status would you apply to C. S. Lewis? He expressed a similar sentiment about why he didn't get married until his fifties.
I think Vox mentioned on a Darkstream that CS Lewis was likely Gamma. Reformed Gamma based on the insightful details of writing the characters of Edward and Eustace.
Another thing about him is that, while his art is good, his scientific theories have merit, and his writing is proficient, he nevertheless comes across as someone who whines and makes excuses for why he can't do things. If his science is as revolutionary as it seems, then there should be simple experiments that would prove it, and he has even talked about some, like a variation on the double slit experiment. But he will complain that the "Phoenicians" control everything and won't give him funding, despite the fact that there are many ways to get funding in the internet age. Or he complains there are no galleries that showcase good art, but he won't start one himself (again, Phoenicians, no funding, etc.). If he's content to live as a poor artist/writer, that's fine, but it's annoying to read him gripe about other people not doing the hard work for him. I'm surprised he hasn't claimed that all women who have rejected him only did so because they were paid off by the Phoenicians.
It is nice that he uses punctuation.
Secret King MM mentions getting "talked over." Few years ago my boss taught me his trick for dealing with over-talkers. You don't simply talk louder(although that definitely works too if you can afford a confrontation), but you do have to keep talking. That can be difficult if you're a sperg, because of the interference. But the real magic is this: you talk slower, lower(deeper), and more quietly. Keep getting slower, lower, and quieter. You get low enough, slow enough, and quiet enough--they'll crack. They'll stop and ask you to repeat yourself. Then you can talk normally. Shit really works, but you might have to do it a few times. Try it yourself.
This does work -- if you can drop the octave in your speaking voice. If you are cursed with a higher pitch, it does not work.
One of my many sins is that I interrupt people and I also will not stop talking until I've said what I want to say. It is often an ... advantage in my particular line of work, but if I forget to turn it off I will irritate people, as my wife sometimes informs me.
Oh and lean back as you do this. Over-talk will drown you out, but body language cannot be drowned out. I'm not sure on why the leaning back works, but its part of it.
That is sound philosophy. In addition with your feelings. Like Matt from QoC, worry about yourself.
It is funny seeing how these men posture like they do not care but then write many paragraphs on how much they care.
Dang. I feel so stupid. It just dawned on my that the band Booster Patrol predicted the global pushback as a consequence of the jab. Booster Patrol should be the name for the entire global revolutionary movement. F**king brilliant, Vox. F**king brilliant.
Women are always interested in what I have to say. I can't relate with the article. I feel delusional saying this because it sounds uncommon. I don't think I am alpha either.
The bot adds nothing. Stay secret.
Whining definitely lowers your SSH instantly and is a sign for the women to head to the nearest exit. Gammas complain a lot more than other SSH ranks and it is absolutely infuriating to listen to. Especially the "Oh, I am so superior" variety.
Gammas: No one owes you their attention, or is obligated to consider your Very Important Feelings and Opinions.
Keep in mind that Miles is referencing a short relationship that he had with a woman when she was 22 and he was 40. She later met up with him when she was 37 and he was 55 and she said he was right about the boy she eventually chose and that Miles was the better choice.
I don’t know if that fits in quite well with a gamma.
A Gamma can be right. It's not about technical correctness, but attitude and general mindset.
The fact he was right and the woman didn't care what he thought is evidence of Gamma. If he was Alpha/high SSH, she'd go along with him even if he was wrong.
The fact he's writing about it after the fact with so many words is again confirming evidence of his Gamma rank.
I don’t know if that is a fair assessment. He manages to get women to strip down and pose naked for him and he successfully dated a 22 year old at 40. Yes, I would argue he is sensitive in his writing, but I don’t get the impression that he is regaling all of these women with his theories. In fact, I do recall that he got revealed when some woman looked him up at the prompting of her brother.
I understand Vox’s point, but I think that paragraph he wrote should be taken in context of the entire article.
First, no one cares what you think.
Second, I positively ID'd Miles as a Gamma long before he ever wrote that particular paragraph.
Third, there is no context that would prevent the author of that paragraph from being a Gamma.
I know a gamma who specializes in seducing very young women with extreme family issues exclusively through online chatgroups. I have no idea how he finds these groups but he's done it for years and has a talent for finding these places. AOL -> IRC channels -> forums -> Discord sort of progression. The relationships never last long. He manages to get women but his behavioral patterns are completely gamma and the relationship dynamic conforms to what you'd expect very quickly.
In other words women treat gammas like they're trying to weasel into their pants because they actually are and they occasionally succeed.
"...he successfully dated a 22 year old at 40."
He managed to get the foot in the door because of his looks. But he got kicked out of the house as soon as the women got to know him a little. That's simply a good looking Gamma.
It is a fair assessment that Gamma is an attitude and mindset independent of objective correctness on the facts. It's about how people react to you, whether you are right or wrong.
It is a fair assessment that Vox's observations are objective evidence of Miles having a Gamma mindset and approach towards women.
Also, Miles dating a 22 year old at 40 involved deception about his own age. He hid it and she had to dig to find out. His shame at his own age and his arguments that it didn't matter created an incoherency that signaled weakness and decreased her attraction for him.
The fact he was "right" about his 40 year old self aging better than her 25 year old boyfriend is petty, and bragging that she admitted he was right is vainly Gamma.
While this SSH analysis of Miles is accurate and educational, I feel compelled to add a reminder that Miles' model of the nuclei of the elements is plausible and profound and really seems to explain much that physicists and chemists never properly explained. I can't say for certain that it's correct, but it strikes me as the best hypothesis we have. If he's right, he's one of the greatest chemists of all time. Right or wrong, he certainly thinks like a genuine scientist. If anyone plans to read him, I recommend his articles on the periodic table, elements, and molecules first. It's an interesting facet of human nature that someone can be so scientifically capable yet so unable to apply those analytic skills to one's own relationships.