Can we bring up the fact that Boomer Mom was almost certainly on birth control in one form or another when she was having her outlier 3.0 children in a cohort that had 2.0? The birth control mindset is poison. Think of it this way: if she married before she was 30, she almost certainly could have had more than three children if nothing was done to prevent it. Where are the other kids? Miscarried? Aborted? Never conceived in the first place? What would it be like, as a child, to learn the facts of life and realize that either your parents don't find each other attractive anymore or they're avoiding potential siblings? The message of "children only when convenient" comes through loud and clear. Even if Boomer Mom didn't think this way, the surrounding culture definitely did.
Huge laundry list of family-affecting health (among other) problems caused by the pill in not just the mother but down through the generations (ameliorable).
My (Silent Gen) mother told me all 5 of her pregnancies were despite birth control. I'm sure she was glad every time, so yes, some suspicion the medical doctor mom might not have "used them properly."
My sister got engaged at 16, graduated early from university to marry "as soon as possible," literally had a Duggar's quiverfull book sitting alone on the bedroom dresser, but had a husband who didn't want to have children until my sister was in her mid-30s. Now she "has to" [a nutritional approach could fix it] take birth control to control a related medical problem.
Good news is also, that, what winning the future looks like, is achievable for most guys on the SSH. You don't have to be alpha / sigma to have a loving wife and several kids. Even a gamma can do that. Leading a good life is not predetermined by the SSH
Think Vox said something along those lines, that it's easier than ever to enter the top calibre of men in light of your competition. It's easy to forget Clown World has been as detrimental for men as it has for women.
It would seem less likely she would leave and attract a boyfriend if she were pregnant or healing from pregnancy, while her time was taken up getting enough food, nursing, changing diapers, trying to get sleep.
On its face, yes. The more kids you have, the longer you've mutually invested in each other, and the more resources you've poured into the project of your family. Obviously there are no guarantees, what with everyone having free will and concupiscence. Still, having more children means that you have more people to love and who, raised well, will love you in return.
Presupposing of course that both spouses on are on the same page about accepting with love every child as a blessing, being willing to make the attendant sacrifices which accompany welcoming new life.
My parents are at the tail end of the boomers, and my aunts and uncles are a mix of Boomers and Gen X. Each of them had 3-4 kids and most my cousins now have 2-3 kids, with more on the way.
A few are still too young for kids, but last count at a family gathering was more than 50 people, including spouses.
And every chance I get, I have someone take a picture of all 4 generations, my grandpa, my dad, my son and myself.
Fr Chad Ripperger had a neat summary of the generations starting from The Lost Generation, his model being the changing balance between the Christian acceptance of suffering as modelled on Christ, then mere not complaining about it, morphing into complaining about it while still accepting of it being part of life while and the beginning of compensating by pursuing pleasure and then tipping into the Boomer generation which as a whole he saw as rejecting of the manly virtue of acceptance of suffering where that was needed and instead sought to pursue pleasure, an effeminate vice he often says, with subsequent generations left that inheritance.
We can thank the Marxists teaching k-12 for the "end of the world" fear that has so many of them not wanting to have children.
I grew up during the 70's and 80's. The fear of nuclear war led to Gen X having sex everywhere we could, and wanting to have children and grandchildren.
We need to grab those Marxists, Malthusians, and doomsayer and knock some sense into them.
My older brother passed Nov 3rd. My younger brother told me after he was gone that our brother told him that he lamented sending his oldest child to a libtard MA school where she learned to hate Catholic values. Now she's 30 and single and I suspect she's a closet lesbian.
Christians often set their kids up to be slaughtered.
The boomers are particularly bad at being fruitful, the whole having kids later in life thing is very unfortunate as well. I recently realized my family is weird in that regard, when my baby boy met his great great great aunt on his father side...who's seven years YOUNGER than my own grandfather, his great-grandpa. It's a consequence of two generations, my silent/greatest gen grandparents and my boomer parents, all having kids in their 30's. I believe my youngest grandparent was 70 the year I was born, 1997. Making me barely GenZ. And I thought I had a bit of a late start having my boy at 26. I'm ahead of schedule by modern standards, and with the way people are delaying having kids, more families will be like my own.
My boomer parents, aunts and uncles were all bad at having kids. Also bad at instilling family values in their kids. On my dads side he had myself and three siblings, his brother and sister had zero kids. On my moms side, her brother had one daughter who'll never have kids, her sister had two kids. One childless and the other a deadbeat dad of one.
You'd think my parents did well having four. My two older siblings will never have kids. My little sister is afraid to with my parents around, given how they treat their kids. They are cut out of my life to ensure they cannot destroy my relationship with my husband, as my father literally said he would do if he could. They are all big boomer assholes. Six boomers with seven kids between them all. Only one family unit came out of it, cutting them off to do so. Fundamentally selfish human beings.
There is a terrible sense of anemoia about this because of how hostile Boomers have been to raising children vs. how much families tried to help in the time before my living memory. I'm talking in the having-a-household-to-raise-kids sense. It turns out that before the Boomer the household with multiple generations was fairly common and in 1980 suddenly all the Boomers fled their ancestral homes.
Many responses in this topic discuss how Boomers didn't model raising a family. The ultimate example of that is forcing their kids out of the very homes they grew up in as kids. How can an average teen imagine raising a family when their only example is a household they no longer have access to? All the childhood scents, the cooking stove, the living room, the way the porch creaks when you step on it, forever taken away so that your own kids will never experience them or share the same story.
Pew Research: The Return of the Multi-Generational Family Household
"This represents a significant trend reversal. Starting right after World War II, the extended family household fell out of favor with the American public. In 1940, about a quarter of the population lived in one; by 1980, just 12% did."
[...]
"The multi-generational household isn’t the only growth sector in the national landscape of living arrangements. There’s also been a steady long-term rise over the past century in the polar opposite kind of household — the one made up of just a single person. In 1900, just 1.1% of Americans lived in such a household. By 2008, that share had risen to 10.3%."
And now we live in what can only be called the inverted world, the satanic one. In that ironic twist the multigenerational home is back baby! Except instead of a father encouraging you to have kids to extend the family and join the household it's a Boomer filled with scorn that you haven't enough money to leave forever and let them and their cruses alone. Likewise with those moms who used to want to bake all day for the grandkids in the same room you got to grow up in as a baby wanting to sell the house entirely so they can live it up in a city of strangers.
I haven’t grabbed the data but I credit divorces and single member households for the housing crises.
My boomer parents should have owned one home together, and pooled their replaces for vacations. Instead they each own a home near their aging mothers and each own a home in their warm-weather retirement place. Taking three houses off the market for younger people.
Most of my millennial friends, myself included, struggled with this mindset. Despite that, we managed to have four kids. I think Vox was onto something when he suggested that millennials resemble boomers the most.
Between my wife and me, our parents collectively have eleven children but only eight grandchildren. Unfortunately, these four boomers show little interest in their grandchildren. It’s disheartening. Neither grandfather can remember our kids' full names or birthdays.
"I think Vox was onto something when he suggested that millennials resemble boomers the most."
It's true. Part of it may be that the latchkey phenomenon was on its way out in the 90s. Instead, we were put into extracurricular activities or even "school-age" childcare centers while waiting for mom to get off work.
The result is that we're used to being monitored/catered to by strangers.
My grandmother, a proto-boomer can’t spell my name right. It’s not a weird name. Its like not knowing if your 40-something grandkid spells her name Sara or Sarah. It’s not senility, she’s just never cared enough to learn to remember.
Can we bring up the fact that Boomer Mom was almost certainly on birth control in one form or another when she was having her outlier 3.0 children in a cohort that had 2.0? The birth control mindset is poison. Think of it this way: if she married before she was 30, she almost certainly could have had more than three children if nothing was done to prevent it. Where are the other kids? Miscarried? Aborted? Never conceived in the first place? What would it be like, as a child, to learn the facts of life and realize that either your parents don't find each other attractive anymore or they're avoiding potential siblings? The message of "children only when convenient" comes through loud and clear. Even if Boomer Mom didn't think this way, the surrounding culture definitely did.
Huge laundry list of family-affecting health (among other) problems caused by the pill in not just the mother but down through the generations (ameliorable).
https://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/womens-health/recovery-birth-control-pill-hormonal-contraceptives/#gsc.tab=0
My (Silent Gen) mother told me all 5 of her pregnancies were despite birth control. I'm sure she was glad every time, so yes, some suspicion the medical doctor mom might not have "used them properly."
My sister got engaged at 16, graduated early from university to marry "as soon as possible," literally had a Duggar's quiverfull book sitting alone on the bedroom dresser, but had a husband who didn't want to have children until my sister was in her mid-30s. Now she "has to" [a nutritional approach could fix it] take birth control to control a related medical problem.
They put on like they are deeply conscientious and concerned but their leavings are downright locust-like.
Good news is also, that, what winning the future looks like, is achievable for most guys on the SSH. You don't have to be alpha / sigma to have a loving wife and several kids. Even a gamma can do that. Leading a good life is not predetermined by the SSH
Think Vox said something along those lines, that it's easier than ever to enter the top calibre of men in light of your competition. It's easy to forget Clown World has been as detrimental for men as it has for women.
Does having more kids increase your chances of avoiding a frivolous divorce? Asking for a friend.
It would seem less likely she would leave and attract a boyfriend if she were pregnant or healing from pregnancy, while her time was taken up getting enough food, nursing, changing diapers, trying to get sleep.
On its face, yes. The more kids you have, the longer you've mutually invested in each other, and the more resources you've poured into the project of your family. Obviously there are no guarantees, what with everyone having free will and concupiscence. Still, having more children means that you have more people to love and who, raised well, will love you in return.
Presupposing of course that both spouses on are on the same page about accepting with love every child as a blessing, being willing to make the attendant sacrifices which accompany welcoming new life.
What about economic issues of supporting a family in the current climate how much of that is attributable
To the last point, Gavin McInness has this take:
One is for loosers,
Two is for fags,
Three is a bare minimum,
And five is optimum.
I think this is a good set of milestones.
This makes me grateful for my family.
My parents are at the tail end of the boomers, and my aunts and uncles are a mix of Boomers and Gen X. Each of them had 3-4 kids and most my cousins now have 2-3 kids, with more on the way.
A few are still too young for kids, but last count at a family gathering was more than 50 people, including spouses.
And every chance I get, I have someone take a picture of all 4 generations, my grandpa, my dad, my son and myself.
Fr Chad Ripperger had a neat summary of the generations starting from The Lost Generation, his model being the changing balance between the Christian acceptance of suffering as modelled on Christ, then mere not complaining about it, morphing into complaining about it while still accepting of it being part of life while and the beginning of compensating by pursuing pleasure and then tipping into the Boomer generation which as a whole he saw as rejecting of the manly virtue of acceptance of suffering where that was needed and instead sought to pursue pleasure, an effeminate vice he often says, with subsequent generations left that inheritance.
Imagine how good the father in the last Pic felt to FINALLY get a son.
If he raises the daughters well, he'll he well cared for in his dotage.
It's not the same.
We can thank the Marxists teaching k-12 for the "end of the world" fear that has so many of them not wanting to have children.
I grew up during the 70's and 80's. The fear of nuclear war led to Gen X having sex everywhere we could, and wanting to have children and grandchildren.
We need to grab those Marxists, Malthusians, and doomsayer and knock some sense into them.
My older brother passed Nov 3rd. My younger brother told me after he was gone that our brother told him that he lamented sending his oldest child to a libtard MA school where she learned to hate Catholic values. Now she's 30 and single and I suspect she's a closet lesbian.
Christians often set their kids up to be slaughtered.
May he rest in peace.
The boomers are particularly bad at being fruitful, the whole having kids later in life thing is very unfortunate as well. I recently realized my family is weird in that regard, when my baby boy met his great great great aunt on his father side...who's seven years YOUNGER than my own grandfather, his great-grandpa. It's a consequence of two generations, my silent/greatest gen grandparents and my boomer parents, all having kids in their 30's. I believe my youngest grandparent was 70 the year I was born, 1997. Making me barely GenZ. And I thought I had a bit of a late start having my boy at 26. I'm ahead of schedule by modern standards, and with the way people are delaying having kids, more families will be like my own.
My boomer parents, aunts and uncles were all bad at having kids. Also bad at instilling family values in their kids. On my dads side he had myself and three siblings, his brother and sister had zero kids. On my moms side, her brother had one daughter who'll never have kids, her sister had two kids. One childless and the other a deadbeat dad of one.
You'd think my parents did well having four. My two older siblings will never have kids. My little sister is afraid to with my parents around, given how they treat their kids. They are cut out of my life to ensure they cannot destroy my relationship with my husband, as my father literally said he would do if he could. They are all big boomer assholes. Six boomers with seven kids between them all. Only one family unit came out of it, cutting them off to do so. Fundamentally selfish human beings.
Our goal if God wills it is four children.
There is a terrible sense of anemoia about this because of how hostile Boomers have been to raising children vs. how much families tried to help in the time before my living memory. I'm talking in the having-a-household-to-raise-kids sense. It turns out that before the Boomer the household with multiple generations was fairly common and in 1980 suddenly all the Boomers fled their ancestral homes.
Many responses in this topic discuss how Boomers didn't model raising a family. The ultimate example of that is forcing their kids out of the very homes they grew up in as kids. How can an average teen imagine raising a family when their only example is a household they no longer have access to? All the childhood scents, the cooking stove, the living room, the way the porch creaks when you step on it, forever taken away so that your own kids will never experience them or share the same story.
https://shorturl.at/AKzaV
Pew Research: The Return of the Multi-Generational Family Household
"This represents a significant trend reversal. Starting right after World War II, the extended family household fell out of favor with the American public. In 1940, about a quarter of the population lived in one; by 1980, just 12% did."
[...]
"The multi-generational household isn’t the only growth sector in the national landscape of living arrangements. There’s also been a steady long-term rise over the past century in the polar opposite kind of household — the one made up of just a single person. In 1900, just 1.1% of Americans lived in such a household. By 2008, that share had risen to 10.3%."
And now we live in what can only be called the inverted world, the satanic one. In that ironic twist the multigenerational home is back baby! Except instead of a father encouraging you to have kids to extend the family and join the household it's a Boomer filled with scorn that you haven't enough money to leave forever and let them and their cruses alone. Likewise with those moms who used to want to bake all day for the grandkids in the same room you got to grow up in as a baby wanting to sell the house entirely so they can live it up in a city of strangers.
It's enough to make one weep.
I haven’t grabbed the data but I credit divorces and single member households for the housing crises.
My boomer parents should have owned one home together, and pooled their replaces for vacations. Instead they each own a home near their aging mothers and each own a home in their warm-weather retirement place. Taking three houses off the market for younger people.
Sad to say, I'm thankful my Boomer parents are out of my elder millennial life, and that of my children.
The future belongs to those who show up.
Most of my millennial friends, myself included, struggled with this mindset. Despite that, we managed to have four kids. I think Vox was onto something when he suggested that millennials resemble boomers the most.
Between my wife and me, our parents collectively have eleven children but only eight grandchildren. Unfortunately, these four boomers show little interest in their grandchildren. It’s disheartening. Neither grandfather can remember our kids' full names or birthdays.
"I think Vox was onto something when he suggested that millennials resemble boomers the most."
It's true. Part of it may be that the latchkey phenomenon was on its way out in the 90s. Instead, we were put into extracurricular activities or even "school-age" childcare centers while waiting for mom to get off work.
The result is that we're used to being monitored/catered to by strangers.
My grandmother, a proto-boomer can’t spell my name right. It’s not a weird name. Its like not knowing if your 40-something grandkid spells her name Sara or Sarah. It’s not senility, she’s just never cared enough to learn to remember.