"If I had one piece of advice for low-status men who absolutely insist on opening their mouths even when no one is asking for their advice or their opinion, it would be to excise the words “no” and “actually” from their vocabularies."
I admit my sample size is small. Professionally, I've come across five Indian women I'd consider top tier attractive. Two doctors, an engineer, a saleswomen, and another I met at a health club. But, I'm likely only coming across the upper crust.
I definitely will never understand how anyone could possibly dislike me, it must because they’re jealous of how accomplished I am and my superior intellect.
But I’m sigma and I’ve learned a lot of us just get hate from losers bc they’re jelly.
Your joke reminds me of one of the big tells of a gamma. You can never vote yourself into a title , such as alpha or sigma. Only others can decide your SSH rank. A real sigma could care less but others, especially woman, will be able to tell( assuming they know about the SSH). Gammas will self identify as a rank they could never possibly atain. Thus an excellent tell. Anyone that self identifies as a high rank is a gamma.
Every Alpha I ever knew had more humility than any Gamma I ever had the misfortune of interacting with. It's baffling to me. You can't offer a Gamma friendly advice. You can't just relax and pal around with him. No, for him, everything is some strange, odd, irrelevant, meaningless contest.
I'm not a psychologist, but I think this reveals a psychotic level of insecurity.
`..You can't just relax and pal around with him..`
Worse, don't ever be humble and admit to your mistakes or shortcomings around a gamma; even just as self deprecating humor. I've found that most people admire humility, but for a gamma it's blood in the water. They won't hesitate to use it against you.
One thing I noticed that maybe merits an entry of it's own is that gammas are usually terrible with kids. The kids tend to not like them and they tend to not know how to behave around them.
Even omegas seem to be more well received by babies and kids than gammas.
My brother does this in every single conversation about every single thing. If I mention that 1 of my kids did something good, he instantly talks about how one of his kids did something better. If I mention how a Team USA soccer player is having a good year somewhere, he always responds, "I don't think that he's doing that great." He postures about how great he is at his job and how he's getting some huge promotion soon, which magically never happens.
It isn't just the self promotion, he also has never ending criticism for my family. If we are at a family gathering and one of my 3 boys who are all 4 and below gets his hands on a cookie and gets a chocolate face, he runs around telling the whole family that my kids are dirty and my wife and I need to take better care of our children.
Being around my brother is exhausting. It's impossible to talk to him about anything. I can't talk about my kids or work or life or anything without him immediately either putting me down, disagreeing or one upping me. It's gotten to the point that I can't stand speaking to him.
What makes all of his posturing triply unbearable is that it's all proven lies. His wife went to my parents' California house for 3 weeks in June and my cousin lives there watching the place. He gave me a full report on how their chilren are behind closed doors and their kids are completely out of control and unparented on a scale that's hard to believe. All the stuff he swears his kids don't do, they all do on a daily basis. On top of it he lies about his accomplishments constatnly. He was bragging that he got a full scholarship an A list grad school back in January but now at the end of June he magically isn't going because his job came up with a big promotion for him.
Having gamma family members is exhausting. The never ending posturing, the lies, the one upmanship it just wears you out. My wife and are are having to hide out at my mother in laws very average house with little AC in Mexico for a month just to get some mental rest from my gamma brother's posturing.
Yes, next time he goes off on my kids, I'm going to call him out on his lying and bad parenting. My cousin who is the world's most awesome Omega male spent the 3 weeks he had to be around my sister in law taking photos of their behavior, documenting their crap, etc. Now I've got the reciepts on what they're like behind closed doors, I'm going to use it.
I wouldn't bother. If you're looking for an apology or even an admission from a gamma you're not going to get it, ever. The delusion is impenetrable.
He won't change and you'll just end up more frustrated than you are already.
You know what he's like, so use that to your advantage in setting and keeping boundaries that you can live with and stick to. And yes, telling him to shut up is a good start.
I literally didn't figure my brother out until about 2 months ago. When I talk about having the reciepts it's so I can give him a good shut up. I think that point that Vox is making and why I'm going to call him out when he goes after my wife and kids is because:
1. His acting bad toward my wife and kids has escalated in the last 3 months and needs to be confronted. It's crossed the point of trying to ignore it.
2. I'm standing up for my wife and kids. My brother gives crap really hard to my 4 year old son which my son doesn't deserve. He's a really good kid.
3. I'm showing my wife that I stand up for my family. My wife hates how my brother and SIL try to make her seem like a crappy wife and mother.
4. I'm showing him that I'm not impressed with his crap and that I know that he's full of it. He might fool my other brother and sister and in laws but I know.
5. Sometimes you just have to put a gamma in his place. The rage reaction should be tremendous.
You're missing the point. If he calls the Gamma out and the Gamma doubles down or implodes, he has justification for cutting communication.
Personally, I would just do it without waiting for justification, but most people prefer to be able to point to a convincing reason that their families will accept.
This situation with my brother is doubly hard for me because I literally raised him since he was like 11 years old. He was always with me from when he was 11 until 19. I certainly never taught him to do the things he does.
My wife and I no longer invite him over to our house. We used to have an indoor cat and her litter box was by the door going to our garage. The last time he came over right after she used the litter box and after walking in the first words out of my brother's mouth were, "Your house smells like cat piss." My poor wife was in tears after hearing that.
Of course you know what his wife did in California? She left her small kids' messy diapers lying around the house for the whole time and never put them in the trash. My cousin refused to clean up her diapers. After a few days she had to have all of the windows in the house open because the whole house reeked of dirty diapers.
Yeah the situation with my brother and his wife has just become untenable for me and my family.
Vox is right, I did miss the point. I think I've been steeped in gamma behavior from certain family members for a long time and it colours my thinking. Ignore my rambling.
Several friends and I regularly engage in informal discussion on a Signal group chat. Topics range from politics to religion to our favorite breakfast cereal, and most of us view it all for what it is--an informal social group of friends to share news, thoughts, etc. Except for this one guy. He's friends with others on the group, but I only know him informally through the occasional party or social interaction with the others. This guy is super Gamma--believes he's an expert on everything, and that his views on whatever topic that happens to be under discussion is the mostest important and demands everyone's full attention. So much so that if you don't acknowledge his points and make an effort discuss them at length, he grows openly hostile and accuses you of arguing in bad faith. Though most of the time his position is an incomprehensible word salad and goes mostly ignored by all.
This happened so often that I decided to no longer interact with this fellow on our group chat, which apparently really irritated him. He sent me a private message asking what he could do in order that I would engage with him again in the group. My simple response was to say probably nothing, but he could start by apologizing for saying that I argue in "bad faith". His response? A 740-word wall of text dissertation on why he wasn't wrong to say that. So I just continued to ignore him. After that, he made several attempts to goad me into discussion, then resorted to insults and name calling, but when I wouldn't take the bait, he eventally rage-quit the group chat. Good riddance.
Reminds me of the children's game of pretending someone, typically a sibling, is invisible. Some people would totally sperg out because of it, which of course caused the game to continue longer. Some very few people would enjoy being invisible. Now, I suspect the spergs are gamma to the core and the few enjoyers might have grown up to be sigmas.
Some are long time friends with this guy, and were embarrassed by his last bit of Gamma outburst. They were quick to apologize for him and make excuses for him by assuring me that he's "going through some stuff", but I don't care. I found his inexplicable rage to be funny.
An important lesson over the years has been that being critical has a time and a place. If you don't like Babymetal, feel free to whine about them into the void on your own podium. If you start doing the same in a comment section full of their fans, nobody buys your incredulity when you're mercilessly ridiculed and chewed out.
It's as if they view everyday conversation as a competition while avoiding any actual form of competition...and worse, they thus try to "compete" with women. Oof.
Worked with one of these when I was 20. Couldn't understand when I first met him what his problem was. Next day my colleague explained to me: his nickname is "Topper". It doesn't matter what, where or who, he's done it bigger, better, faster, earlier, etc.
Fortunately the pattern is not only known it is impossible to not see it. Take appropriate measures.
There was that guy in my scout troop in the 90's. We were at Philmont in 1993 and he said his boots were better than someone else's. The other guy had the exact same boots. "But I bought mine earlier than you did."
"If I had one piece of advice for low-status men who absolutely insist on opening their mouths even when no one is asking for their advice or their opinion, it would be to excise the words “no” and “actually” from their vocabularies."
"Literally" and "amazing" need to go, too.
How the hell does the "gamma-gene" proliferate in society when their behaviour literally makes women run for the hills.
Any guesses for the proliferation of Gammas in the general population? Obviously it would differ country to country etc.
Based on the Indians that come to Europe for their IT jobs, I would say this subculture of Indians would be close to 90% G's.
They trade for sex
Along with Scandinavians, I'd rate Indian women some of the most attractive women on the planet
I admit my sample size is small. Professionally, I've come across five Indian women I'd consider top tier attractive. Two doctors, an engineer, a saleswomen, and another I met at a health club. But, I'm likely only coming across the upper crust.
“Listen. Don’t wait to talk.”
I never forgot that.
I definitely will never understand how anyone could possibly dislike me, it must because they’re jealous of how accomplished I am and my superior intellect.
But I’m sigma and I’ve learned a lot of us just get hate from losers bc they’re jelly.
Your joke reminds me of one of the big tells of a gamma. You can never vote yourself into a title , such as alpha or sigma. Only others can decide your SSH rank. A real sigma could care less but others, especially woman, will be able to tell( assuming they know about the SSH). Gammas will self identify as a rank they could never possibly atain. Thus an excellent tell. Anyone that self identifies as a high rank is a gamma.
Every Alpha I ever knew had more humility than any Gamma I ever had the misfortune of interacting with. It's baffling to me. You can't offer a Gamma friendly advice. You can't just relax and pal around with him. No, for him, everything is some strange, odd, irrelevant, meaningless contest.
I'm not a psychologist, but I think this reveals a psychotic level of insecurity.
And their women dominate them. It’s shameful.
They lack exposure to male hierarchy. Many are probably the son of a single mother.
That is hilariously ironic.
He does not have the status of even a Delta but wants to get away with having less humility than an alpha.
`..You can't just relax and pal around with him..`
Worse, don't ever be humble and admit to your mistakes or shortcomings around a gamma; even just as self deprecating humor. I've found that most people admire humility, but for a gamma it's blood in the water. They won't hesitate to use it against you.
Nailed it.
One thing I noticed that maybe merits an entry of it's own is that gammas are usually terrible with kids. The kids tend to not like them and they tend to not know how to behave around them.
Even omegas seem to be more well received by babies and kids than gammas.
It resembles the way small children quiver with excitement to show they know something.
Without speculating on whys, Gamma social and emotional patterns look like seriously arrested development.
They don't understand why, because they never ask "why". or "What" or "How".
"I saw the new Marvel ...."
"What did you think of it?"
"I'm so tired, I was up to....."
"Why were you up so late?"
"I really like Lady Gaga's new...."
"What did like about it?"
People like it when you ask questions, that is part of the reason for why they are talking to begin with.
Agreed. The sad thing is that they were likely never shown curiosity towards themselves in childhood, thus engraining this social dysfunction.
Had a friend like this. We no longer speak. I wish him well.
I remember being annoyed even as a kid when other kids would always have to one up whatever the other kids were talking about
My brother does this in every single conversation about every single thing. If I mention that 1 of my kids did something good, he instantly talks about how one of his kids did something better. If I mention how a Team USA soccer player is having a good year somewhere, he always responds, "I don't think that he's doing that great." He postures about how great he is at his job and how he's getting some huge promotion soon, which magically never happens.
It isn't just the self promotion, he also has never ending criticism for my family. If we are at a family gathering and one of my 3 boys who are all 4 and below gets his hands on a cookie and gets a chocolate face, he runs around telling the whole family that my kids are dirty and my wife and I need to take better care of our children.
Being around my brother is exhausting. It's impossible to talk to him about anything. I can't talk about my kids or work or life or anything without him immediately either putting me down, disagreeing or one upping me. It's gotten to the point that I can't stand speaking to him.
What makes all of his posturing triply unbearable is that it's all proven lies. His wife went to my parents' California house for 3 weeks in June and my cousin lives there watching the place. He gave me a full report on how their chilren are behind closed doors and their kids are completely out of control and unparented on a scale that's hard to believe. All the stuff he swears his kids don't do, they all do on a daily basis. On top of it he lies about his accomplishments constatnly. He was bragging that he got a full scholarship an A list grad school back in January but now at the end of June he magically isn't going because his job came up with a big promotion for him.
Having gamma family members is exhausting. The never ending posturing, the lies, the one upmanship it just wears you out. My wife and are are having to hide out at my mother in laws very average house with little AC in Mexico for a month just to get some mental rest from my gamma brother's posturing.
Never let gammas have kids.
Have you ever considered telling him to shut the hell up and stop lying?
Yes, next time he goes off on my kids, I'm going to call him out on his lying and bad parenting. My cousin who is the world's most awesome Omega male spent the 3 weeks he had to be around my sister in law taking photos of their behavior, documenting their crap, etc. Now I've got the reciepts on what they're like behind closed doors, I'm going to use it.
I wouldn't bother. If you're looking for an apology or even an admission from a gamma you're not going to get it, ever. The delusion is impenetrable.
He won't change and you'll just end up more frustrated than you are already.
You know what he's like, so use that to your advantage in setting and keeping boundaries that you can live with and stick to. And yes, telling him to shut up is a good start.
I literally didn't figure my brother out until about 2 months ago. When I talk about having the reciepts it's so I can give him a good shut up. I think that point that Vox is making and why I'm going to call him out when he goes after my wife and kids is because:
1. His acting bad toward my wife and kids has escalated in the last 3 months and needs to be confronted. It's crossed the point of trying to ignore it.
2. I'm standing up for my wife and kids. My brother gives crap really hard to my 4 year old son which my son doesn't deserve. He's a really good kid.
3. I'm showing my wife that I stand up for my family. My wife hates how my brother and SIL try to make her seem like a crappy wife and mother.
4. I'm showing him that I'm not impressed with his crap and that I know that he's full of it. He might fool my other brother and sister and in laws but I know.
5. Sometimes you just have to put a gamma in his place. The rage reaction should be tremendous.
You're missing the point. If he calls the Gamma out and the Gamma doubles down or implodes, he has justification for cutting communication.
Personally, I would just do it without waiting for justification, but most people prefer to be able to point to a convincing reason that their families will accept.
This situation with my brother is doubly hard for me because I literally raised him since he was like 11 years old. He was always with me from when he was 11 until 19. I certainly never taught him to do the things he does.
My wife and I no longer invite him over to our house. We used to have an indoor cat and her litter box was by the door going to our garage. The last time he came over right after she used the litter box and after walking in the first words out of my brother's mouth were, "Your house smells like cat piss." My poor wife was in tears after hearing that.
Of course you know what his wife did in California? She left her small kids' messy diapers lying around the house for the whole time and never put them in the trash. My cousin refused to clean up her diapers. After a few days she had to have all of the windows in the house open because the whole house reeked of dirty diapers.
Yeah the situation with my brother and his wife has just become untenable for me and my family.
Vox is right, I did miss the point. I think I've been steeped in gamma behavior from certain family members for a long time and it colours my thinking. Ignore my rambling.
Several friends and I regularly engage in informal discussion on a Signal group chat. Topics range from politics to religion to our favorite breakfast cereal, and most of us view it all for what it is--an informal social group of friends to share news, thoughts, etc. Except for this one guy. He's friends with others on the group, but I only know him informally through the occasional party or social interaction with the others. This guy is super Gamma--believes he's an expert on everything, and that his views on whatever topic that happens to be under discussion is the mostest important and demands everyone's full attention. So much so that if you don't acknowledge his points and make an effort discuss them at length, he grows openly hostile and accuses you of arguing in bad faith. Though most of the time his position is an incomprehensible word salad and goes mostly ignored by all.
This happened so often that I decided to no longer interact with this fellow on our group chat, which apparently really irritated him. He sent me a private message asking what he could do in order that I would engage with him again in the group. My simple response was to say probably nothing, but he could start by apologizing for saying that I argue in "bad faith". His response? A 740-word wall of text dissertation on why he wasn't wrong to say that. So I just continued to ignore him. After that, he made several attempts to goad me into discussion, then resorted to insults and name calling, but when I wouldn't take the bait, he eventally rage-quit the group chat. Good riddance.
Reminds me of the children's game of pretending someone, typically a sibling, is invisible. Some people would totally sperg out because of it, which of course caused the game to continue longer. Some very few people would enjoy being invisible. Now, I suspect the spergs are gamma to the core and the few enjoyers might have grown up to be sigmas.
And that's why you should simply evict Gammas as soon as they expose themselves. You can't fix them. Just kick them out without hesitation.
I bet everyone else in the group breathed a sigh of relief as well. Sometimes all it takes is for one person to ignore the gamma.
Some are long time friends with this guy, and were embarrassed by his last bit of Gamma outburst. They were quick to apologize for him and make excuses for him by assuring me that he's "going through some stuff", but I don't care. I found his inexplicable rage to be funny.
It threatens the Gamma's delusion bubble when someone ignores him on a topic where he is The Expert. So of course he will lash out in some way.
An important lesson over the years has been that being critical has a time and a place. If you don't like Babymetal, feel free to whine about them into the void on your own podium. If you start doing the same in a comment section full of their fans, nobody buys your incredulity when you're mercilessly ridiculed and chewed out.
Best advice from Vox: STFU.
It's as if they view everyday conversation as a competition while avoiding any actual form of competition...and worse, they thus try to "compete" with women. Oof.
What a great comic.
Worked with one of these when I was 20. Couldn't understand when I first met him what his problem was. Next day my colleague explained to me: his nickname is "Topper". It doesn't matter what, where or who, he's done it bigger, better, faster, earlier, etc.
Fortunately the pattern is not only known it is impossible to not see it. Take appropriate measures.
There was that guy in my scout troop in the 90's. We were at Philmont in 1993 and he said his boots were better than someone else's. The other guy had the exact same boots. "But I bought mine earlier than you did."
Ben Price. Everyone hated him.