I don't think the women are sabotaging her. Women in her daily life compliment her hair because I think they genuinely like it. Curly/wavy hair looks fuller and women are always going for thicker fuller hair.
Men on the other hand:
The profile pic that she used for her straight hair dating profile has her boobs on display, makeup done, sexy little black dress etc.
Her curly hair profile pic covers her chest up, making it appear smaller and looks like the girl next door, not one looking for "a good time".
Of course she'll get more attention on the low cut boobie profile.
Based on the comparison photos above, its not the hair. The pic with straight hair is also showing cleavage and lighter skin. The pic with curly is all covered up and massively overspray tanned orange skin trying to compete with Trump 1.0 in orangeness.
The straight hair in your example is a black hairdo. No White man would like that. I know you have this mythology based on 1 Cor 11 fundamentalism that the hair is all that matter, but that's false. Mogger is right that its the orange skin vs the light skin in the case of this woman. "Banned for excessive gamma for not liking African hairdos!"
When I was 18 or 19 a girl from my class wanted to get sterilized so she could have consequence free fun with her boyfriend, because she was certain she never wants to have children. The other girls supported her decision to remove herself from the gene pool enthusiastically. Luckily for her, in my home country you cannot have elective sterilization before the age of 25.
When women say short hair on another woman is “cute” - they aren’t lying, in woman speak.
The other “cute” thing in the woman universe that has short hair is toddlers.
In woman speak “your short haircut is/would be cute” doesn’t mean “it is/would be sexually attractive to men.” Rather, it means “thank you for putting the fact that you are emotionally manipulable like a toddler in plain sight by making yourself look cute … like a toddler.”
Woman here. I do think her curls are way prettier than the thin, straightened look. Not sabotaging, just my opinion -- possibly b/c I have fought shitty fine straight thin hair my whole life. But obviously she should do whatever she likes and whatever she finds attracts the men she's trying to attract. I can't help but think that the *outfit* might play more into the "likes" than the hair, but that's only based on the 2 photos shown.
As a man I like the curly hair pic better as regards the hair. In the straight pic her hair actually looks like its thinning. The problem with the curly pic, where women really sabotaged her, is the orange spray tan. Men are liking the straight hair pic more because of the natural skin tone. And the cleavage.
My opinion as a man who doesn't like curls at all is this:
I also think she does look better with her slightly curly hair. The curly hair masquerades that her face is a little bloated. With straight hair she looks a lot chubbier than she probably is.
We women are not the target audience. If the vast majority of men prefer her with straight hair and her goal is to attract a man then she should wear her hair straight.
FWIW, I think her curly hair is prettier too, but that's not relevant. Not relevant at all.
I thought it was clear that I agree with that. I just wanted to point out it's not *always* sabotage. Women and men aren't the same, we like different things. And not being gay, I'm not swayed by the cleavage, I'm actually looking at the hair. :)
Do men feel the same about coloured hair as short hair? For a while in my early 20s I dyed my hair VERY red, like Little mermaid red (was still long), I used to get so many compliments from women, but never men?
I recall an incident in high school where a girl with dirty blonde hair (in this case a natural mix of brown and blonde strands) was advised by her female friends to go all brown. Her friends were considerably less attractive than her. In her naivety, she believed in them and went full brown dye. Afterwards, her boyfriend voiced his dissatisfaction with it, saying she should have kept the blonde. They eventually ended up breaking up.
That’s why, when a woman loses weight or grows boobs or learns how to do her hair and make up better, she ends up having to jump into a different social circle.
More than 10 years ago when our 2 daughters were middle school aged I made the point to them that no one ever tells a woman with short hair she is "beautiful"; other women always tell her she is "cute". And then I added "puppies are cute too; do you want to be beautiful or cute like a dog?"
The topic of female hair length came up at a family gathering recently. My wife mentioned that she had to keep it long because that's what I preferred, and her boomer mother snorted and said "why do you care what he prefers?"
We ignored the MIL, but the long ago rhetoric stuck with my daughters. The older one responded that she could never bear to cut her long hair because of what I told them about being "cute" or "beautiful" so many years ago.
Wife: Because the harder his dick gets, the more fun I have.
This behavior from boomer women- still trying to compete sexually with and sabatoge younger women is despicable. And must be called out every time.
The superbowl ad recreating the when Harry Met Sally diner orgasm scene with a cute little zoomer girl delivering the “I’ll have what she’s having line” was disgusting. So were “Boomers are so hot and amazing crushing all the young people at pickleball, look at me being 75 in my short little tennis skirt. I’m still so hot!”
The old women should be giving wise advice to young women on how to be approachable, supportive, loving wives. Instead they are whiting themselves all the way to the grave, and trying to take out the “competition” along the way. Foul.
Not actually competing to remove the wife and marry the husband.
Competing for who is the prettiest girl in the room. And/or, as very often happens with mother-in-laws, competing for the husband time and attention.
Boomer women don’t seem to know they are in menopause. Mine, and her sisters are all in their 60s and still try to compete with me- if someone accidentally asks if we’re sister’s she’s delighted that she looks so young and I look so old. My aunt was in her 40s once, and tickled that the teenager life guard kept looking over at her… she was furious when she found out that he has eyes for my 16 year old sister who was lounging next to her.
Do you think the same dynamic applies? Straight women and gay men aren't in direct sexual competition, so it seems like that might remove one major incentive to sabotage.
They’re compliment the bald chick on making her mentally instability visible, and in doing so are acknowledging that she’s out of the game. She’s visible removed herself from the sexual competition, and so will be treated more gentle, as the mentally unstable child she is visibly showing herself to be.
I think why a lot of woman sabotage other women is because we not only hate consequences for our actions, we hate living proof that some actions are better than others. When a woman makes a change for the better it threatens all the other women who don't want to make that change. Rather than letting her improve herself they try to drag her back down so she can't be a threat to them. It's why when you and your friends are all heavier and you suddenly start to lose weight they stop being your friends. The dynamics have changed, you've shown change is possible, and you've threatened their excuses and lies to themselves. Most women would rather destroy something/someone than be faced with truth.
I'm told that every successful beauty industry woman, OnlyFans being the most recent standout, is managed by a man. A woman solo or with female advice becomes increasingly uncompetitive but give her a male agent and she'll put on the most seductive style a man can imagine.
There was a small period where globohomo tried to parlay "Queer eye for the straight guy" to give women maximum benefit from men while also being sexually unthreatening but it turned out homos hate women even more than women.
Also, I haven't seen this specifically mentioned here, but i would put my hand on a Bible and swear to God that my wife intentionally sabotages my diet, attempts at working out and--most emphatically--attempts at fasting or intermittent fasting. Under this regime in the last two years, I've gained weight and I'm suspecting it's a form of mate-guarding. It hasn't gotten out of control, because I've gained self awareness of this and realize I just have *more* obstacles to overcome to remain fit and strong.
Years ago I read a remark from a self-defense trainer that a man’s wife is often the biggest obstacle or the biggest help to a man trying to eat a clean diet, get fit and strong, and build necessary fighting skills. I was married for a time and can attest to that truth.
I was at a party and my husband's ex girlfriend from highschool started stroking my head "affectionately" while talking to the group (we were never friends). While contemplating her bizarre behavior I realised she was trying to feel if I had hair extentions. I have very long blonde hair. She had a short bob and dressed very artsy/frumpy with baggy clothing. The look on her face when she couldnt find any was priceless.
There was a delightful story by a vengeful women sabotaging her entire friend group. I could not find the original but the highlights were eye opening in how purely petty and malicious women could be to each other. And the sheer perseverance of the bitterness!
Premise: This girl was bullied in high school because her father was poor, perhaps the result of a divorce, and her friend group mocked her and her father endlessly. She had also been quite fat from stress eating. The story continues after she had a huge gym-diet turnaround and became a stunner in college.
She decided to use her friend's newfound envy to completely destroy them. Mostly she gaslit them into increasingly stupid, self-destructive behaviors. The list of things I can recall, which is not comprehensive:
•She would buy rounds of Starbucks for the group, which she allowed them to think was because they bullied her. However she would ask for extra shots of heavy cream and sugar for her friends to really pack on the calories in their drinks.
•She would order small size meals at fast food places but ask for the supersize large containers at the register. She would then put her food in the large boxes, a few fries in her mouth, and walk back to the table claiming she was so piggish she couldn't stop from eating half the meal on the way back to the table.
•She told them they were cuter with short hair. Of course. I think skrillex cuts were the trend and she was helping to spread it to them.
•She would fast for a day or so before going out to eat with the friends. Then she'd eat like a 2000+ calorie dinner and go "Tee hee, good genetics I guess" to trick her friends into matching her eating pace.
•She would make up diet garbage such as, after fasting, downing a gigantic green tea flavored shake in front of them and claim "green tea means you lose weight when you drink it!"
•When her friends starting gaining massive weight she would suggest horrible clothing such as galaxy print dresses and tell them they looked great in it
•She would also egg them on to cheat on their boyfriends or otherwise act like terrible feminists
The end result was that her friends ballooned hundreds of pounds heavier with poor relationships with men. She stuck around. Why? That's the most fascinating part: She wanted to stay in that group to keep on driving them into the ground more and more instead of moving on with her life. Like you say, mind-blowing.
I don't think the women are sabotaging her. Women in her daily life compliment her hair because I think they genuinely like it. Curly/wavy hair looks fuller and women are always going for thicker fuller hair.
Men on the other hand:
The profile pic that she used for her straight hair dating profile has her boobs on display, makeup done, sexy little black dress etc.
Her curly hair profile pic covers her chest up, making it appear smaller and looks like the girl next door, not one looking for "a good time".
Of course she'll get more attention on the low cut boobie profile.
It's not the hair. It's the boobs.
Based on the comparison photos above, its not the hair. The pic with straight hair is also showing cleavage and lighter skin. The pic with curly is all covered up and massively overspray tanned orange skin trying to compete with Trump 1.0 in orangeness.
Don't be retarded and learn to read.
The pictures are an EXAMPLE of something that the woman has observed across social media and in real life.
It is the hair.
The straight hair in your example is a black hairdo. No White man would like that. I know you have this mythology based on 1 Cor 11 fundamentalism that the hair is all that matter, but that's false. Mogger is right that its the orange skin vs the light skin in the case of this woman. "Banned for excessive gamma for not liking African hairdos!"
When I was 18 or 19 a girl from my class wanted to get sterilized so she could have consequence free fun with her boyfriend, because she was certain she never wants to have children. The other girls supported her decision to remove herself from the gene pool enthusiastically. Luckily for her, in my home country you cannot have elective sterilization before the age of 25.
When women say short hair on another woman is “cute” - they aren’t lying, in woman speak.
The other “cute” thing in the woman universe that has short hair is toddlers.
In woman speak “your short haircut is/would be cute” doesn’t mean “it is/would be sexually attractive to men.” Rather, it means “thank you for putting the fact that you are emotionally manipulable like a toddler in plain sight by making yourself look cute … like a toddler.”
Yes- if she’s over 14/15 and calling you cute, it’s not a good
thing
Woman here. I do think her curls are way prettier than the thin, straightened look. Not sabotaging, just my opinion -- possibly b/c I have fought shitty fine straight thin hair my whole life. But obviously she should do whatever she likes and whatever she finds attracts the men she's trying to attract. I can't help but think that the *outfit* might play more into the "likes" than the hair, but that's only based on the 2 photos shown.
As a man I like the curly hair pic better as regards the hair. In the straight pic her hair actually looks like its thinning. The problem with the curly pic, where women really sabotaged her, is the orange spray tan. Men are liking the straight hair pic more because of the natural skin tone. And the cleavage.
My opinion as a man who doesn't like curls at all is this:
I also think she does look better with her slightly curly hair. The curly hair masquerades that her face is a little bloated. With straight hair she looks a lot chubbier than she probably is.
We women are not the target audience. If the vast majority of men prefer her with straight hair and her goal is to attract a man then she should wear her hair straight.
FWIW, I think her curly hair is prettier too, but that's not relevant. Not relevant at all.
I thought it was clear that I agree with that. I just wanted to point out it's not *always* sabotage. Women and men aren't the same, we like different things. And not being gay, I'm not swayed by the cleavage, I'm actually looking at the hair. :)
Which is precisely why I stress that men should always ignore expressed female opinions about everything.
When it's not sabotage, it's irrelevant.
Yup, got that. I was just piling on with further agreement.
Do men feel the same about coloured hair as short hair? For a while in my early 20s I dyed my hair VERY red, like Little mermaid red (was still long), I used to get so many compliments from women, but never men?
Yes.
Edit:
I recall an incident in high school where a girl with dirty blonde hair (in this case a natural mix of brown and blonde strands) was advised by her female friends to go all brown. Her friends were considerably less attractive than her. In her naivety, she believed in them and went full brown dye. Afterwards, her boyfriend voiced his dissatisfaction with it, saying she should have kept the blonde. They eventually ended up breaking up.
Just as rain pools puddles of water, the girl that increases in attractiveness increases in saboteurs.
That’s why, when a woman loses weight or grows boobs or learns how to do her hair and make up better, she ends up having to jump into a different social circle.
More than 10 years ago when our 2 daughters were middle school aged I made the point to them that no one ever tells a woman with short hair she is "beautiful"; other women always tell her she is "cute". And then I added "puppies are cute too; do you want to be beautiful or cute like a dog?"
The topic of female hair length came up at a family gathering recently. My wife mentioned that she had to keep it long because that's what I preferred, and her boomer mother snorted and said "why do you care what he prefers?"
We ignored the MIL, but the long ago rhetoric stuck with my daughters. The older one responded that she could never bear to cut her long hair because of what I told them about being "cute" or "beautiful" so many years ago.
The correct response is: because if I don't, some other woman will.
Boomer MIL: Why do you care what he prefers?
Wife: Because the harder his dick gets, the more fun I have.
This behavior from boomer women- still trying to compete sexually with and sabatoge younger women is despicable. And must be called out every time.
The superbowl ad recreating the when Harry Met Sally diner orgasm scene with a cute little zoomer girl delivering the “I’ll have what she’s having line” was disgusting. So were “Boomers are so hot and amazing crushing all the young people at pickleball, look at me being 75 in my short little tennis skirt. I’m still so hot!”
The old women should be giving wise advice to young women on how to be approachable, supportive, loving wives. Instead they are whiting themselves all the way to the grave, and trying to take out the “competition” along the way. Foul.
Not actually competing to remove the wife and marry the husband.
Competing for who is the prettiest girl in the room. And/or, as very often happens with mother-in-laws, competing for the husband time and attention.
Boomer women don’t seem to know they are in menopause. Mine, and her sisters are all in their 60s and still try to compete with me- if someone accidentally asks if we’re sister’s she’s delighted that she looks so young and I look so old. My aunt was in her 40s once, and tickled that the teenager life guard kept looking over at her… she was furious when she found out that he has eyes for my 16 year old sister who was lounging next to her.
Yes and my FIL is a pushover.
Don’t do what your gay best friend tells you, either!
Do you think the same dynamic applies? Straight women and gay men aren't in direct sexual competition, so it seems like that might remove one major incentive to sabotage.
Both are competing for men.
Their also competing for who “owns” feminity/a mock feminine affect.
My favorite is when the women compliment another for cutting her hair off entirely. Usually after some breakup with a bad boy.
They’re compliment the bald chick on making her mentally instability visible, and in doing so are acknowledging that she’s out of the game. She’s visible removed herself from the sexual competition, and so will be treated more gentle, as the mentally unstable child she is visibly showing herself to be.
I think why a lot of woman sabotage other women is because we not only hate consequences for our actions, we hate living proof that some actions are better than others. When a woman makes a change for the better it threatens all the other women who don't want to make that change. Rather than letting her improve herself they try to drag her back down so she can't be a threat to them. It's why when you and your friends are all heavier and you suddenly start to lose weight they stop being your friends. The dynamics have changed, you've shown change is possible, and you've threatened their excuses and lies to themselves. Most women would rather destroy something/someone than be faced with truth.
I think it’s less cognitive than that.
“Now that Sally is a skinny bitch, standing next to her makes me look fat.”
I'm told that every successful beauty industry woman, OnlyFans being the most recent standout, is managed by a man. A woman solo or with female advice becomes increasingly uncompetitive but give her a male agent and she'll put on the most seductive style a man can imagine.
There was a small period where globohomo tried to parlay "Queer eye for the straight guy" to give women maximum benefit from men while also being sexually unthreatening but it turned out homos hate women even more than women.
Also, I haven't seen this specifically mentioned here, but i would put my hand on a Bible and swear to God that my wife intentionally sabotages my diet, attempts at working out and--most emphatically--attempts at fasting or intermittent fasting. Under this regime in the last two years, I've gained weight and I'm suspecting it's a form of mate-guarding. It hasn't gotten out of control, because I've gained self awareness of this and realize I just have *more* obstacles to overcome to remain fit and strong.
Years ago I read a remark from a self-defense trainer that a man’s wife is often the biggest obstacle or the biggest help to a man trying to eat a clean diet, get fit and strong, and build necessary fighting skills. I was married for a time and can attest to that truth.
It's mate guarding but by a lazy, lower tier woman.
An upper tier woman mate guards by working out more, paying even more attention to her diet, and displaying more PDA.
I was at a party and my husband's ex girlfriend from highschool started stroking my head "affectionately" while talking to the group (we were never friends). While contemplating her bizarre behavior I realised she was trying to feel if I had hair extentions. I have very long blonde hair. She had a short bob and dressed very artsy/frumpy with baggy clothing. The look on her face when she couldnt find any was priceless.
Creepy. I remember a girl I barely knew from swim team when I was about 12 bitterly insisting my natural unpainted nails were fake. I was so confused
I get the same about my hair and eyelashes all the time.
They probably want to find out if sabotage is possible, if its fake they can try and convince you that you would look so much better without x.
Absolutely mind-blowning the extent of female sexual competition behavior and how it's so deeply genetically ingrained
There was a delightful story by a vengeful women sabotaging her entire friend group. I could not find the original but the highlights were eye opening in how purely petty and malicious women could be to each other. And the sheer perseverance of the bitterness!
Premise: This girl was bullied in high school because her father was poor, perhaps the result of a divorce, and her friend group mocked her and her father endlessly. She had also been quite fat from stress eating. The story continues after she had a huge gym-diet turnaround and became a stunner in college.
She decided to use her friend's newfound envy to completely destroy them. Mostly she gaslit them into increasingly stupid, self-destructive behaviors. The list of things I can recall, which is not comprehensive:
•She would buy rounds of Starbucks for the group, which she allowed them to think was because they bullied her. However she would ask for extra shots of heavy cream and sugar for her friends to really pack on the calories in their drinks.
•She would order small size meals at fast food places but ask for the supersize large containers at the register. She would then put her food in the large boxes, a few fries in her mouth, and walk back to the table claiming she was so piggish she couldn't stop from eating half the meal on the way back to the table.
•She told them they were cuter with short hair. Of course. I think skrillex cuts were the trend and she was helping to spread it to them.
•She would fast for a day or so before going out to eat with the friends. Then she'd eat like a 2000+ calorie dinner and go "Tee hee, good genetics I guess" to trick her friends into matching her eating pace.
•She would make up diet garbage such as, after fasting, downing a gigantic green tea flavored shake in front of them and claim "green tea means you lose weight when you drink it!"
•When her friends starting gaining massive weight she would suggest horrible clothing such as galaxy print dresses and tell them they looked great in it
•She would also egg them on to cheat on their boyfriends or otherwise act like terrible feminists
The end result was that her friends ballooned hundreds of pounds heavier with poor relationships with men. She stuck around. Why? That's the most fascinating part: She wanted to stay in that group to keep on driving them into the ground more and more instead of moving on with her life. Like you say, mind-blowing.
Good grief, the Mean Girls level of savage is truly shocking. Did she get them to eat Kalteen (sp?) bars as well?
This post definitively provides the answer as to whether women dress for other women, or for men.
The answer: it depends on the particular woman, and which sex likes her choices more.