“Some form of unfair discrimination is absolutely inevitable in every society due to the intrinsic incompatibility of sex-based preferences.”
In light of this post, it seems to me that the “battle of the sexes” is better defined as “the battle of the sexes preferences.”
Is it news to me that chauvinistic or even misogynistic adherence to male preferences is required to avoid societal collapse including the disappearance of indoor plumbing. Am I the only one new to this idea or is this more of an established truth than a revelation on this page?
Great post. Black pill: doesn’t this mean Muslims win?
More optimistically… spit balling the outline of a field of dreams: A jurisdiction that defends men against female predators, and male predators. An end to divorce rape. A brotherhood culture that sets high expectations for men in specific and defined virtues. Daily practices that ensure integrity. Institutions that encourage and support mens development, and cast out those who don’t reach the bar. Institutions that prioritize their needs, and demand achievement of meaningful contributions to commons. Structures that incentivize mercenaries to follow missionaries, and gives greater power to builders over merchants and speculators. Spectators pay a fee. A value for value based economy. Reciprocity in the law. A respect for the sacred. A seeking of glory before the highest. An extreme disrespect for hucksters and grifters, actors and actresses. A solemn farewell to the weak on their way back home. A more honest form of justice.
As Vox stated, whichever rhetoric is useful is the one that gets employed.
It appears that men of questionable manhood who never assert themselves are the culprit. Time and time again I hear women openly declare their political preferences correct, with zero push back from weak, undetermined men.
Feminism and its demands are just a shit test...writ large. A test men have collectively failed to date. Society won't be rebuilt until we say no and bar and ban
I work at an actual wastewater treatment plant and can confirm the blue collar guys are violently sick of clown world. They’re just waiting for a leader.
My Great Uncle worked at a water treatment plant till he retired, my mental model of a Delta.
Deltas seem like the men most shafted by clown world. Alphas and Bravos are still "visible" to women and are better equipped to navigate through the nonsense. While they could be doing better as measured by absolute value, they are still relatively speaking doing well enough.
We're going to pay a heavy price as Deltas die out or drop out, as a healthy society would ensure that they are harnessed at scale to physically build everything we need and use.
I don’t think upper class or even middle class people realize the sacrifice blue collar guys make for a stable society. For your toilets to keep working, guys frequently have to get up in the middle of the night to go swap pumps out of wells. If this sewer guys actually stopped working, in short order all drains and toilets would back up, streets would flood, manholes would explode out of the ground, and toxic gasses would pour into the street. They don’t even need to do anything to make this happen except silence their phones. And this is just one type of infrastructure. These guys have various SSH but it’s obviously a delta job. Women aren’t the only way deltas are deprived by clown world.
It's not a sacrifice, it's what they want to do. But, they want and deserve respect and acknowledgement for what they do. We could collectively give them at least the respect that they deserve.
Part of the Clown World game is paying elites to defect from their group and exploit the poor while corrupting all institutions for selfish gain. The Alphas and Bravos are able to do well while the Deltas who depend on them suffer.
In contrast, Jesus always elevated the poor and promises that those who serve them are rewarded as serving Jesus personally.
Elevating yourself versus elevating your group (with special focus on the bottom part).
Women intuitively understand their built-in desire to be led, directed, and controlled. To be “shepherded,” if you want to use Biblical terms. I once spoke with a girl in undergrad who was very intelligent and had opportunities galore in the business world. She also had extreme anxiety because of all the pressure she felt to perform as a “woman in business.” She literally told me one day—and this is verbatim—“Just tell me what to do!”
Women don’t want to be the boss. That is, not if they want to be happy. The women who want roles of leadership and influence must be masochists, because they’ll only feel miserable there.
One thing men can start doing is withholding chivalrous behaviour from women who are undeserving of it. The part of chivalry that gets glossed over in modern times is that it was for ladies deemed worthy of it. Women who put themselves beyond the pale were beyond the reach of chivalry. This will come naturally during the collapse, but why not speed it along? If a girl is grrlbossing around then you have no reason to hold the door, carry the packages, speak gently in her presence or whatever other gentlemanly behaviour is expected. She has broken the contract so you men no longer need abide by it.
One of my teachers in HS had a great story about that. In the 70's a woman professor was coming into the science building carrying a big heavy box, he walked up and held the door for her as he would for any man or woman encumbered like that. She snapped at him as she went through, so he let the door go...it smacked her and she dropped the box. Sounded like a bunch of glass shattered and she started cussing him out like crazy. But he just walked away trying not to laugh.
A fellow male professor had a story of holding an elevator door for a woman headed for it, as he would for any man or woman. She got in there, chewed him out and spat on him. Now if she were a man, she'd be in need of an ambulance before the elevator stopped. But she was a woman, so he didn't knock her lights out.
3rd wave feminism was really that insane. Forget "chivalry" these woman were militant towards anyone being polite and considerate.
The good news is being polite is still a quick and easy way to reveal if a woman is a massive bitch who probably identifies as a feminist, or a nice young lady.
Perhaps not, but the local tinker or blacksmith might have been doing so for peasant women of good character, but not for the local tavern wench with round heels.
My point was about behaviour not social class. If we women want to be treated like ladies we must behave accordingly.
Saw this yesterday on a video on X. A woman was getting robbed by a black and there were 2 dudes there that did nothing to stop it. So many women were whining "how could they just sit there", "a real man would have stopped him". The responses from the men were all the same. She wasn't worth it, and neither are you, with a photo of Daniel Penny being arrested.
When sex robots move past the uncanny valley, women will put themselves back in the kitchen in about 30 seconds. And, they'll tell their men and everyone they know how much they love the kitchen, love having kids, love supporting their man, and how sex robots can't replace women because the robots can't breed male heirs.
Then Joahua would bang? ;-) Would you bang fvckin robot whatever it looks? No offence bro but I don't know what is going on with all men who says "realistic sex machine > real famale"? Do you really believe that?
Which part of the hierarchy is responsible for this? I’m thinking the Bravo, or the lack thereof.
I’m kind of fascinated by Bravos, because they really are the backbone of the Alpha vision. They hold it together. One of the most fascinating Bravos I have ever researched was Sammy “The Bull” Gravano, a gangster from Brooklyn.
Sammy The Bull was in all the NY papers in the 80’s and I even heard stories about him from some of my Italian friends in the late 70’s, mainly the two kids across the street who’s father worked for him. He also played the part of of the situational Alpha and the situational Delta, but when you listen to the him, he is pure Bravo. He even tells you in his interview how a strong Bravo talks and reasons with the Alpha. There doesn’t seem to be any Bravos of his caliber today involved in the inner circles politics.
There is no way, with people like him under the people who are supposed to be in charge that this country could be in the state that it’s in now without the Bravo’s permission. It’s like when the Alpha’s faded, the Bravos died with them.
Bravos were simply playing their role of society's policemen and enforcers, so blaming them as a group doesn't really make any more sense than blaming women. Those who had the power in society to decide that Enlightenment liberalism was the way to go instead of traditional Christianity, and to force society in that direction, were ultimately the ones at fault.
A rural town in which I occasionally work , has a selectboard ( town govt executive board) comprised of 75% women. The chair is a woman. Recently the discussion revolved around granting a permit to a landowner who wanted to replace a culvert on an unmaintained town road leading to his property.
In a sane town not run by women-permission would be granted w/appropriate guidelines from road agent.
Instead , Team Karen denied the permit b/c the applicant couldn't guarantee a credentialed culvert pipe installer would be present during the job. Ive worked in heavy construction my whole life and never even knew such a credential existed. But Queen Karen seemed to know.
This whole ordeal was an apt metaphor of what it's like with women running the world.
Stories like these are so damn silly. How hard is it to install a corrugated steel pipe in the ground? It needs to be X inches below the surface and connect trench A to trench B. I'm certain there's a guide out there released by state/province for some set of road standards, if you've some measure of concern about it being done right.
I bet the decision would have turned around real quick if someone had confront the chair and dressed down the stupidity. But that'd be impolite....
Another possible reasons: guy wasn't enough handsome/womenizer, his personal believes wasn't woke enough, he was in fight with one of these females before. Lots of reasons to make someone life harder.
She wanted the credentialed person there so should anything go wrong the blame/responsibility would fall on the credentialed culvert man, rather than on her.
Abdicating responsibility, but hoarding the power.
The 19th amendment was probably the worst thing ever brought to bear on this country. It added gas to an already smoldering fire. Accelerated the destruction of this country in real time
This morning emailing someone I trained. Want to know if I can hire him. I now run a solo practice. The answer was "no". He is leaving the woke, midwit and feminist run college town I have just moved out of.
Female preferences ruin cites and reliably destroy families. The area becomes pagan, oppressive and dangerous.
Male prefences provide for women.
We have sold up and are gone before the market implodes. But by doing this we will be providing off our wives and children.
Get away from academic towns. Shun cities. Go small, go rural, go single income,homeschool and do it now. Because it could soon be too late.
They'll just point and sputter, and be unable to make any arguments that don't rely on transcendental premises. Baseless moral posturing and ad hominem is the best they'll do.
Let's start---Prohibition...oh, and the War on drugs, largely passed on women's votes. Those were great things right?
Yeah which is of course an argument relying on transcendental premises. What they mean is that God made everyone equal hence women should be able to vote. He didn't make everyone equal, not by any stretch of the imagination, nor did He advocate any governmental system other than what's basically a monarchy. Hell, I don't believe in universal manhood suffrage, much less women's suffrage.
The one thing that suffrage had going for it in the American model during the 'Age of Rifles' was that a vote mostly accurately predicted the outcome if a revolution were held on the subject. But when you give suffrage to women and groups that can't generate significant military power, you destroy even that one thing.
Strong Men Of The Internet, when you rebuild western society, make sure you don't forget to rebuild the basic unit of all human societies: The village. Or the tribe. Sitting all day in an apartment with kids is not how God (or mother Nature or who cares) meant us to live. We need an abundance of aunties, uncles, grandparents, cousins and so on.
We are not going into uncharted territory, here. We have a thousand years of based and relatively peaceful historical Christendom whose example we can follow - and it was all built after the fall of a much better empire than ours.
I think my wife and I will drive our internal combustion powered automobile to our favorite restaurant this weekend. It's an elegant place with a pleasant intimate atmosphere lit by the warm glow of electric candlelight and filled with the soft delightful melodies of the prerock era. I'll enjoy using the functional indoor plumbing and thus associated effective sewer system. We'll share a couple of French Martinis, I'll raise my martini glass in salute to civilization, and then we'll order desert. In the postapocalyptic hellscape to come, I for one, won't find solace in the fact I wasn't called a misogynist.
Rev the engine a few extra times. It's quite possible that extra CO2 from internal combustion engines has kept the ice age away longer than expected. Enjoy the weekend!
“Some form of unfair discrimination is absolutely inevitable in every society due to the intrinsic incompatibility of sex-based preferences.”
In light of this post, it seems to me that the “battle of the sexes” is better defined as “the battle of the sexes preferences.”
Is it news to me that chauvinistic or even misogynistic adherence to male preferences is required to avoid societal collapse including the disappearance of indoor plumbing. Am I the only one new to this idea or is this more of an established truth than a revelation on this page?
My grandfather brought the outhouse to his backwater mission parish is E.S. Brazil.
My parents impressed on me the gratitude for the modern flush toilet.
If stronk wahmen suffrage is going to cost us modern sewage systems, count me out.
Seriously, ladies: clean water, good food, and septic systems for you and your children are cheap at twice the price.
Great post. Black pill: doesn’t this mean Muslims win?
More optimistically… spit balling the outline of a field of dreams: A jurisdiction that defends men against female predators, and male predators. An end to divorce rape. A brotherhood culture that sets high expectations for men in specific and defined virtues. Daily practices that ensure integrity. Institutions that encourage and support mens development, and cast out those who don’t reach the bar. Institutions that prioritize their needs, and demand achievement of meaningful contributions to commons. Structures that incentivize mercenaries to follow missionaries, and gives greater power to builders over merchants and speculators. Spectators pay a fee. A value for value based economy. Reciprocity in the law. A respect for the sacred. A seeking of glory before the highest. An extreme disrespect for hucksters and grifters, actors and actresses. A solemn farewell to the weak on their way back home. A more honest form of justice.
“Build it, and they will come.”
Muslims cannot win because they do not have Christ and deny the virtue and Fatherhood of God.
But they are right about women.
As Vox stated, whichever rhetoric is useful is the one that gets employed.
It appears that men of questionable manhood who never assert themselves are the culprit. Time and time again I hear women openly declare their political preferences correct, with zero push back from weak, undetermined men.
Weak and aimless men are a destructive force.
Feminism and its demands are just a shit test...writ large. A test men have collectively failed to date. Society won't be rebuilt until we say no and bar and ban
I work at an actual wastewater treatment plant and can confirm the blue collar guys are violently sick of clown world. They’re just waiting for a leader.
If the guys who literally work with shit all day can't stomach you...
My Great Uncle worked at a water treatment plant till he retired, my mental model of a Delta.
Deltas seem like the men most shafted by clown world. Alphas and Bravos are still "visible" to women and are better equipped to navigate through the nonsense. While they could be doing better as measured by absolute value, they are still relatively speaking doing well enough.
We're going to pay a heavy price as Deltas die out or drop out, as a healthy society would ensure that they are harnessed at scale to physically build everything we need and use.
I don’t think upper class or even middle class people realize the sacrifice blue collar guys make for a stable society. For your toilets to keep working, guys frequently have to get up in the middle of the night to go swap pumps out of wells. If this sewer guys actually stopped working, in short order all drains and toilets would back up, streets would flood, manholes would explode out of the ground, and toxic gasses would pour into the street. They don’t even need to do anything to make this happen except silence their phones. And this is just one type of infrastructure. These guys have various SSH but it’s obviously a delta job. Women aren’t the only way deltas are deprived by clown world.
It's not a sacrifice, it's what they want to do. But, they want and deserve respect and acknowledgement for what they do. We could collectively give them at least the respect that they deserve.
Part of the Clown World game is paying elites to defect from their group and exploit the poor while corrupting all institutions for selfish gain. The Alphas and Bravos are able to do well while the Deltas who depend on them suffer.
In contrast, Jesus always elevated the poor and promises that those who serve them are rewarded as serving Jesus personally.
Elevating yourself versus elevating your group (with special focus on the bottom part).
Women intuitively understand their built-in desire to be led, directed, and controlled. To be “shepherded,” if you want to use Biblical terms. I once spoke with a girl in undergrad who was very intelligent and had opportunities galore in the business world. She also had extreme anxiety because of all the pressure she felt to perform as a “woman in business.” She literally told me one day—and this is verbatim—“Just tell me what to do!”
Women don’t want to be the boss. That is, not if they want to be happy. The women who want roles of leadership and influence must be masochists, because they’ll only feel miserable there.
One thing men can start doing is withholding chivalrous behaviour from women who are undeserving of it. The part of chivalry that gets glossed over in modern times is that it was for ladies deemed worthy of it. Women who put themselves beyond the pale were beyond the reach of chivalry. This will come naturally during the collapse, but why not speed it along? If a girl is grrlbossing around then you have no reason to hold the door, carry the packages, speak gently in her presence or whatever other gentlemanly behaviour is expected. She has broken the contract so you men no longer need abide by it.
One of my teachers in HS had a great story about that. In the 70's a woman professor was coming into the science building carrying a big heavy box, he walked up and held the door for her as he would for any man or woman encumbered like that. She snapped at him as she went through, so he let the door go...it smacked her and she dropped the box. Sounded like a bunch of glass shattered and she started cussing him out like crazy. But he just walked away trying not to laugh.
A fellow male professor had a story of holding an elevator door for a woman headed for it, as he would for any man or woman. She got in there, chewed him out and spat on him. Now if she were a man, she'd be in need of an ambulance before the elevator stopped. But she was a woman, so he didn't knock her lights out.
3rd wave feminism was really that insane. Forget "chivalry" these woman were militant towards anyone being polite and considerate.
The good news is being polite is still a quick and easy way to reveal if a woman is a massive bitch who probably identifies as a feminist, or a nice young lady.
" it was for ladies "
Good point. I don't think noblemen were holding open doors for the peasant maid.
Perhaps not, but the local tinker or blacksmith might have been doing so for peasant women of good character, but not for the local tavern wench with round heels.
My point was about behaviour not social class. If we women want to be treated like ladies we must behave accordingly.
Saw this yesterday on a video on X. A woman was getting robbed by a black and there were 2 dudes there that did nothing to stop it. So many women were whining "how could they just sit there", "a real man would have stopped him". The responses from the men were all the same. She wasn't worth it, and neither are you, with a photo of Daniel Penny being arrested.
When sex robots move past the uncanny valley, women will put themselves back in the kitchen in about 30 seconds. And, they'll tell their men and everyone they know how much they love the kitchen, love having kids, love supporting their man, and how sex robots can't replace women because the robots can't breed male heirs.
"When sex robots move past the uncanny valley,.."
Then Joahua would bang? ;-) Would you bang fvckin robot whatever it looks? No offence bro but I don't know what is going on with all men who says "realistic sex machine > real famale"? Do you really believe that?
"Pandora's Bots."
Which part of the hierarchy is responsible for this? I’m thinking the Bravo, or the lack thereof.
I’m kind of fascinated by Bravos, because they really are the backbone of the Alpha vision. They hold it together. One of the most fascinating Bravos I have ever researched was Sammy “The Bull” Gravano, a gangster from Brooklyn.
Sammy The Bull was in all the NY papers in the 80’s and I even heard stories about him from some of my Italian friends in the late 70’s, mainly the two kids across the street who’s father worked for him. He also played the part of of the situational Alpha and the situational Delta, but when you listen to the him, he is pure Bravo. He even tells you in his interview how a strong Bravo talks and reasons with the Alpha. There doesn’t seem to be any Bravos of his caliber today involved in the inner circles politics.
There is no way, with people like him under the people who are supposed to be in charge that this country could be in the state that it’s in now without the Bravo’s permission. It’s like when the Alpha’s faded, the Bravos died with them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtxCTUBPNDY
Bravos were simply playing their role of society's policemen and enforcers, so blaming them as a group doesn't really make any more sense than blaming women. Those who had the power in society to decide that Enlightenment liberalism was the way to go instead of traditional Christianity, and to force society in that direction, were ultimately the ones at fault.
A rural town in which I occasionally work , has a selectboard ( town govt executive board) comprised of 75% women. The chair is a woman. Recently the discussion revolved around granting a permit to a landowner who wanted to replace a culvert on an unmaintained town road leading to his property.
In a sane town not run by women-permission would be granted w/appropriate guidelines from road agent.
Instead , Team Karen denied the permit b/c the applicant couldn't guarantee a credentialed culvert pipe installer would be present during the job. Ive worked in heavy construction my whole life and never even knew such a credential existed. But Queen Karen seemed to know.
This whole ordeal was an apt metaphor of what it's like with women running the world.
Stories like these are so damn silly. How hard is it to install a corrugated steel pipe in the ground? It needs to be X inches below the surface and connect trench A to trench B. I'm certain there's a guide out there released by state/province for some set of road standards, if you've some measure of concern about it being done right.
I bet the decision would have turned around real quick if someone had confront the chair and dressed down the stupidity. But that'd be impolite....
Another possible reasons: guy wasn't enough handsome/womenizer, his personal believes wasn't woke enough, he was in fight with one of these females before. Lots of reasons to make someone life harder.
She wanted the credentialed person there so should anything go wrong the blame/responsibility would fall on the credentialed culvert man, rather than on her.
Abdicating responsibility, but hoarding the power.
Women are big on credentials, not so much on competence. Lifelong teacher’s pet syndrome.
The 19th amendment was probably the worst thing ever brought to bear on this country. It added gas to an already smoldering fire. Accelerated the destruction of this country in real time
And for once, just once, the ladies can accurately say, "It is not my fault!"
This morning emailing someone I trained. Want to know if I can hire him. I now run a solo practice. The answer was "no". He is leaving the woke, midwit and feminist run college town I have just moved out of.
Female preferences ruin cites and reliably destroy families. The area becomes pagan, oppressive and dangerous.
Male prefences provide for women.
We have sold up and are gone before the market implodes. But by doing this we will be providing off our wives and children.
Get away from academic towns. Shun cities. Go small, go rural, go single income,homeschool and do it now. Because it could soon be too late.
It’s always fun asking normies to provide one single positive argument for women’s suffrage.
They'll just point and sputter, and be unable to make any arguments that don't rely on transcendental premises. Baseless moral posturing and ad hominem is the best they'll do.
Let's start---Prohibition...oh, and the War on drugs, largely passed on women's votes. Those were great things right?
Well they say dumb things like “women are people” to which the obvious response is “so are babies and Canadians”
well, *some* Canadians [looking over at Castreau...]
Yeah which is of course an argument relying on transcendental premises. What they mean is that God made everyone equal hence women should be able to vote. He didn't make everyone equal, not by any stretch of the imagination, nor did He advocate any governmental system other than what's basically a monarchy. Hell, I don't believe in universal manhood suffrage, much less women's suffrage.
The one thing that suffrage had going for it in the American model during the 'Age of Rifles' was that a vote mostly accurately predicted the outcome if a revolution were held on the subject. But when you give suffrage to women and groups that can't generate significant military power, you destroy even that one thing.
Strong Men Of The Internet, when you rebuild western society, make sure you don't forget to rebuild the basic unit of all human societies: The village. Or the tribe. Sitting all day in an apartment with kids is not how God (or mother Nature or who cares) meant us to live. We need an abundance of aunties, uncles, grandparents, cousins and so on.
We are not going into uncharted territory, here. We have a thousand years of based and relatively peaceful historical Christendom whose example we can follow - and it was all built after the fall of a much better empire than ours.
I think my wife and I will drive our internal combustion powered automobile to our favorite restaurant this weekend. It's an elegant place with a pleasant intimate atmosphere lit by the warm glow of electric candlelight and filled with the soft delightful melodies of the prerock era. I'll enjoy using the functional indoor plumbing and thus associated effective sewer system. We'll share a couple of French Martinis, I'll raise my martini glass in salute to civilization, and then we'll order desert. In the postapocalyptic hellscape to come, I for one, won't find solace in the fact I wasn't called a misogynist.
Rev the engine a few extra times. It's quite possible that extra CO2 from internal combustion engines has kept the ice age away longer than expected. Enjoy the weekend!