Recently saw something similar when I was at a pool. There was a gamma kid and some other teenagers in the hot tub and he was using the forced proximity of the hot tub to try to create an illusion of his being funny and likeable. One of the pretty girls was obviously annoyed, but putting up with things because she trusted the guys she was with.
It only took about 5 minutes before the highest status one in the group turned the gamma's antics back on him and started mocking the poor pathetic bastard. Ten seconds later, the gamma was storming off claiming he needed to leave for some made up reason amid copious laughter from all the other guys.
It is their choice to try and be the center of attention. Will they accept defeat or double down? Have a half breed in the family who does the same type of actions and once you give him attention then he keeps asking for more.
Here in Brazil depending on where you are almost everyone is mixed African-European-Indigenous in some amount, and of course you can clearly see the hierarchy, the whiter the higher.
Of course there are always some outliers, one of my best friends is almost completely Indigenous and high status, but the more I go North, the more I'm treated like a movie star.
A fun fact regarding brazilian genetics, there are almost 50x more descendants of Indigenous women than indigenous men, for reasons I believe everyone here can figure out.
It's hilarious in a tedious way how gammas always jump on any slight perceived error and declare it "Vox's greatest shortcoming" or "Vox's biggest intellectual flaw". It's never just a disagreement. They can't help themselves.
This is a common phenomenon where even ethnics born in the US who can't speak their parents' language get rejected by their peers who can speak it.
Banana is a common term used. Yellow on the outside. White on the inside. When they do attempt to speak, they sound like a white person
Similar situation amongst blacks, with Uncle Toms.
The intolerance between Asians and Whites is unquestionably more ruthless among SE Asians.
At least for Whites, intellect, money, and muscles can be improved on. For Asians, they will always look down on you for being white washed.
Some wild cards are Latin America, and the growing popularity of K Dramas. The perceived feminisation of Asian men contrasted to the macho Latin culture offers advantages. Latin America tends to be more tolerant since they're all mixed anyway. Just get used to being called Chino.
An unknown is Russia and former USSR where the SE Asian DNA has existed for much longer which could be another data point.
We aren't racist. We're nationalists. Racism is how you call it because you've lost all concept of nation. And tolerance was 15 years ago, now we will actively prevent any foreigner from participating in society.
As to whether it's part of our nature? I can't comment because I don't know. Sorry mate! However, what little I know I share. Adding to J Scott and Enwar: For a lot of Chinese folks, it's cultural Confucianism. Confucianism encourages education.
I knew a lot of really smart asians in school who weren't really nerdy or geeky. They were sometimes really great athletes as well because of how important that is for college admissions. Nerdiness tends to be more of a social thing than an intellect thing. We confuse the two mostly because of the media and the terrible messaging in TV shows that Jocks are always dumb and smart people are always weird. Doesn't play out like that in real life.
For an asian to break the mold, they must go the jock route.
Lift iron, join a sports team, get good. Even if they have a nerd hobby, by looking strong, by playing their sport well, they'll still come across as a jock, which has far better connotations in life.
All men should do this, but asians in the west have to go this route.
I’m aware. What I mentioned were additional influences that may affect a person’s natural tendencies. If you’re looking for the source of intrinsic, straight-out-the-womb nature by itself, you should expand your search beyond the Sigma Game comment section.
The Hapa kid could've played just fine with the chad and stacy group. All he had to do was stay in the basketball bouncy house. If he'd just done a few dunks, dropped the ball, chased it with the other kids and let them have their turns then he would've been fine. The kids weren't being mean to him at all. However he just had to change the game to something where HE was the center of attention and not giving everybody else their turn.
You can see how this behavior pattern leads to failure in life. By the time that this kid has a few years being with the other kids at school then they will be so sick of his games and nonsense that nobody will want to play with him. Give this kid a childhood of this type of behavior then social failure will just be part of who he is.
You can also see how the hatred for the chads and stacys grows in kids like this. It's a way of hiding responsibility for their failures. It wasn't them repeatedly taking the ball and trying to force a new game where they are the center of attention and making everybody around them mad. No that isn't it. It's they were excluded by those horrible chads and stacies. These kids build their delusion bubble to avoid blame for their own repeated bad actions.
I have a sister-in-law (wife's sister) who's a single mom. Her son is a 10 year old pure gamma with all the raised by a single mom pathologies you'd expect. My 2 oldest children are getting sick of him. Before when we'd either go to his town for vacation or he'd come to my house, my kids would be excited to be with him. However with each visit and his laundry list of behavior my kids are less and less excited to see him each time. Plus during each visit he gets a shorter and shorter tolerance of his crappy behavior from my kids. I'm sure in another few years of visits my kids won't even want to play with him anymore.
Childhood behavior patterns get established young. Little kids on the playground are very savvy. They know the behavior patterns and which kids are going to ruin things. You can see the truth of the SSH just by watching your kids play.
Totally agree with the playground observations. My 2 year old son loves being by himself in the playground. He comes down steps when he sees others coming, when other boys want his toys he will always give them or let them take it with no fight back. Once a boy ran up to him and my son just dropped his toy trucks and stepped back.
A part of me wanted him to be more ‘alpha’ and be more conflict seeking. But it seems like passive is who he is.
So instead we’ve communicated to him that he doesn’t need to be sad because other boys enjoy playing with his trucks and it makes them happy, and he will always get them back. I hope that advice helps him avoid gamma tendencies early on.
Attention grabbing seems to be more nature than nurture. The parents could be more narcissistic, thus paying less attention to the children. And the children inherit the narcissism with acting out.
Shyness is heritable, and inhibits attention grabbing. Of course shy Asians tend to stay within their races, so magnifies the attention-grabbing-hapa phenomenon.
One of the things I noticed with my Gamma "friends" back in my early 20's, was that even though I thought they were good guys, I could only stomach them in small doses.
The better I got to know them, the more I realized they were full of shit, and not very "good" guys at all.
My kids are hapa, they wouldn't steal a ball unless its part of the game. Ive seen this attention grabbing 'bad' behavior from kids that have uninvolved parenting. Some on the extreme end where parents are divorced and their boy is pulling a girls hair, throwing random face punches, etc. Then theres some boys that are just softer and more sensitive and the parents are not aware. In between those are the single child boys where they are rambunctious and moms usually can't keep up. All of them are aware of the chad and stacys, it is interesting to observe when they find their place. Being the only hapa may have influenced this kid, but its the parents not correcting his behaviors.
Wikipedia: Hapa (/ˈhɑːpə/) is a Hawaiian word for someone of multiracial ancestry. In Hawaii, the word refers to any person of mixed ethnic heritage, regardless of the specific mixture. The term is used for any multiracial person of partial East Asian, Southeast Asian, or Pacific Islander mixture in California.
In the United States outside of Hawaii, it generally means a half-white half-East/Southeast Asian (in most cases Chinese, Korean, Japanese, Filipino, or Vietnamese). Hawaii is a small state, and even most Americans have never met a Pacific Islander, so if you see "hapa" on the Internet, that's probably what it means.
Silicon Valley has a lot of groups like that. Once the company scale up, professional management is brought it, things change, but be very careful before accepting a job offer in an early stage startup, a lot of times you'll end up in a den of gammas.
This is accurate, and plays out in multinational Asian companies being converged by Westerners, when the whole Asian leadership is overthrown from their positions of power and the Chads and Stacys, or Bobs and Karens take over.
Given time, however, it tends to turn into something like Nissan, the lead gaijin flying the country in a suitcase. Or being set up by a drug dealer as a cocaine buyer.
The Japanese are especially elaborate in their collective revenge plots.
"It’s always important to remember that there is no one grand hierarchy, and also that the various hierarchies are fractal. But this is a very typical pattern that will tend to present itself as soon as there are sufficient minorities to break off and form their own hierarchies. If there had been fewer Asian kids, both the Hapa and the Asians would likely have been members of the nerdy hierarchy."
Is there an ideal hierarchy size for parties? Emily Post in her Etiquette mentioned the popularity of informal dinners of 8, breaking into two groups of 4 for bridge.
While psychopaths lack affective empathy, there is a hypothesis in this post that they have a better theory of mind than the average person. Their brain abnormality enables greater detachment from emotional contagion.
I do wonder if it is a good idea to develop more of a relative detachment in certain regards to allow us to navigate the SSH better. It is what it is. It shouldn't be something taken too personally.
I don't think Omegas have much to offer on matters related to these. I wish OJ well on his journey, but based on certain things he's said, I think he's on the train to Gamma town, not Alpha ville.
What could he (specifically as an Omega) do to increase his chances of landing in Delta Junction vs Gamma Town? It would be a shame if he finished the Omega Journey only to see the Gamma Graduation looming ahead of him.
There are two arguments. Those which persuade action. And those which persuade sitting still.
Deltas believe silly, optimistic things. And they're disgusted by inaction when they work. Gammas rationalise fear and inaction. Deltas are liked because they show up.
He should modify his behavioral pattern instead of rationalizing it. He'doing a bizarre exercise in trying to alter his mindset without realizing mindset and emotional state are a rationalization and a consequence of his behavioral pattern, not its cause.
Destination, trap, or waystation — it depends on the Omega and what his capabilities and goals are. The ideal situation would be to skip Gamma and shoot for Delta. Of course, the "Graduating Gamma" stuff and other anti-Gamma advice would be relevant for achieving that.
1. Accept the reality of the rules of attraction. "I won't settle for anything less than a supermodel" is supreme delusion. That's why I stopped paying attention, since I could see where things were most likely headed.
2. Learn probabilistic thinking. Binary thinkers always think that "possibility" means "reasonable chance" and refuse to accept that what is improbable is essentially impossible.
With the binary thinking description I’m reminded of the scene in Dumb and Dumber where Lloyd asks Mary what are the chances of her dating him and she says 1 in a million and Lloyd is stoked about that because it’s not zero. “So you’re telling me there’s a chance. YEAH!”
This is good advice for Deltas who want to be better as well, and improve not only their luck with women, but also their social standing. "Accept the rules" is hard for Delta narcissism to overcome.
I'm skeptic on psychopaths having any theory at all. From what I've seen they merely identify conflict-avoidant victims and just roll with it, until someone more confrontational comes along and then they fail spectacularly. They don't even acknowledge the possibility that someone might eventually call them out.
You can already see it amongst the two year olds at kindergarten. Pretty hilarious listening to 2 yr old talking about classroom politics and who pushes who. which kid no one likes etc. although we have had to say you don't need to be everyone's best friend but you don't just hurt or ostracise other kids... mind you I did the same.
I knew a lot of Hapas growing up and one thing I see clearly with the benefit of hindsight is that they very strongly did not want to be seen as "Asian". Hapa girls would only ever have White boyfriends.
Depends on the Hapa, the girls do almost always gravitate to what their father is, which is normal. For the men in my circles it's a coin flip. Two in particular are de facto Asian Chads, one being 6'3" sculpted like a Greek God but with Asian features. One blonde Samurai friend married the hottest Guatemalan girl I've ever met, so a handful go the Hispanic route. Given some Hapas look Hispanic and the natives are from the Altaic plains originally it makes sense why.
Recently saw something similar when I was at a pool. There was a gamma kid and some other teenagers in the hot tub and he was using the forced proximity of the hot tub to try to create an illusion of his being funny and likeable. One of the pretty girls was obviously annoyed, but putting up with things because she trusted the guys she was with.
It only took about 5 minutes before the highest status one in the group turned the gamma's antics back on him and started mocking the poor pathetic bastard. Ten seconds later, the gamma was storming off claiming he needed to leave for some made up reason amid copious laughter from all the other guys.
It is their choice to try and be the center of attention. Will they accept defeat or double down? Have a half breed in the family who does the same type of actions and once you give him attention then he keeps asking for more.
Here in Brazil depending on where you are almost everyone is mixed African-European-Indigenous in some amount, and of course you can clearly see the hierarchy, the whiter the higher.
Of course there are always some outliers, one of my best friends is almost completely Indigenous and high status, but the more I go North, the more I'm treated like a movie star.
A fun fact regarding brazilian genetics, there are almost 50x more descendants of Indigenous women than indigenous men, for reasons I believe everyone here can figure out.
I believe Mexico is similar. The elites are almost wholly European stock.
>the whiter the higher
Based
This is the greatest shortcoming of Vox is he has tended to not recognize the racial aspect. Football Apes are not Alpha. They're just monkeys.
You could not be more wrong. Hierarchy applies to all humans. But different groups form their hierarchies on the basis of different values.
An African-American Alpha will tend to be different than a German Alpha, and both of them will tend to be different than a Nigerian Alpha.
It's hilarious in a tedious way how gammas always jump on any slight perceived error and declare it "Vox's greatest shortcoming" or "Vox's biggest intellectual flaw". It's never just a disagreement. They can't help themselves.
The first one will rob you and the second one will ask if you have Jews hidden under the floorboards.
And the third one will scam you.
No! The third one will want to adopt you so he can transfer his uncle's wealth to your account! You got it all backwards!
This is a common phenomenon where even ethnics born in the US who can't speak their parents' language get rejected by their peers who can speak it.
Banana is a common term used. Yellow on the outside. White on the inside. When they do attempt to speak, they sound like a white person
Similar situation amongst blacks, with Uncle Toms.
The intolerance between Asians and Whites is unquestionably more ruthless among SE Asians.
At least for Whites, intellect, money, and muscles can be improved on. For Asians, they will always look down on you for being white washed.
Some wild cards are Latin America, and the growing popularity of K Dramas. The perceived feminisation of Asian men contrasted to the macho Latin culture offers advantages. Latin America tends to be more tolerant since they're all mixed anyway. Just get used to being called Chino.
An unknown is Russia and former USSR where the SE Asian DNA has existed for much longer which could be another data point.
Russians / Eastern Europeans are ruthlessly racist, but will tolerate individuals if they speak the language / embrace the culture.
We aren't racist. We're nationalists. Racism is how you call it because you've lost all concept of nation. And tolerance was 15 years ago, now we will actively prevent any foreigner from participating in society.
People who decry racism do not understand Asians, at all. Asians are more racist than any group on God's Green Earth.
I think there's also an ethnic thing going on there as well.
>both the hapa and the asians would likely be part of the nerdy hierarchy
Is there a natural tendency among asians to be nerdy?
I assume it would be different if they were in China
As to whether it's part of our nature? I can't comment because I don't know. Sorry mate! However, what little I know I share. Adding to J Scott and Enwar: For a lot of Chinese folks, it's cultural Confucianism. Confucianism encourages education.
They honor the intellectual more.
The nerdy subculture is more tolerated as a consequence.
This makes more sense.
I knew a lot of really smart asians in school who weren't really nerdy or geeky. They were sometimes really great athletes as well because of how important that is for college admissions. Nerdiness tends to be more of a social thing than an intellect thing. We confuse the two mostly because of the media and the terrible messaging in TV shows that Jocks are always dumb and smart people are always weird. Doesn't play out like that in real life.
For an asian to break the mold, they must go the jock route.
Lift iron, join a sports team, get good. Even if they have a nerd hobby, by looking strong, by playing their sport well, they'll still come across as a jock, which has far better connotations in life.
All men should do this, but asians in the west have to go this route.
It's a cultural phenomenon. Anime and video games are major parts of many Asian cultures, and that's basically what "nerd culture" is in America.
Asians have higher IQs on average than other races. But IQ does not necessarily imply nerd in a cultural sense.
I'm not asking about IQ at all. And I'm not asking about culture either, my question's about nature.
Asian men are naturally more feminine. They are not vikings. As for being nerdy, that is cultural, its not natural. Eunichs were created and valued.
Eunichs were always a necessary evil for the system. They were not "valued". Very few eunichs ever volunteered.
I’m aware. What I mentioned were additional influences that may affect a person’s natural tendencies. If you’re looking for the source of intrinsic, straight-out-the-womb nature by itself, you should expand your search beyond the Sigma Game comment section.
Father of the boy at the birthday party.
The Hapa kid could've played just fine with the chad and stacy group. All he had to do was stay in the basketball bouncy house. If he'd just done a few dunks, dropped the ball, chased it with the other kids and let them have their turns then he would've been fine. The kids weren't being mean to him at all. However he just had to change the game to something where HE was the center of attention and not giving everybody else their turn.
You can see how this behavior pattern leads to failure in life. By the time that this kid has a few years being with the other kids at school then they will be so sick of his games and nonsense that nobody will want to play with him. Give this kid a childhood of this type of behavior then social failure will just be part of who he is.
You can also see how the hatred for the chads and stacys grows in kids like this. It's a way of hiding responsibility for their failures. It wasn't them repeatedly taking the ball and trying to force a new game where they are the center of attention and making everybody around them mad. No that isn't it. It's they were excluded by those horrible chads and stacies. These kids build their delusion bubble to avoid blame for their own repeated bad actions.
I have a sister-in-law (wife's sister) who's a single mom. Her son is a 10 year old pure gamma with all the raised by a single mom pathologies you'd expect. My 2 oldest children are getting sick of him. Before when we'd either go to his town for vacation or he'd come to my house, my kids would be excited to be with him. However with each visit and his laundry list of behavior my kids are less and less excited to see him each time. Plus during each visit he gets a shorter and shorter tolerance of his crappy behavior from my kids. I'm sure in another few years of visits my kids won't even want to play with him anymore.
Childhood behavior patterns get established young. Little kids on the playground are very savvy. They know the behavior patterns and which kids are going to ruin things. You can see the truth of the SSH just by watching your kids play.
Totally agree with the playground observations. My 2 year old son loves being by himself in the playground. He comes down steps when he sees others coming, when other boys want his toys he will always give them or let them take it with no fight back. Once a boy ran up to him and my son just dropped his toy trucks and stepped back.
A part of me wanted him to be more ‘alpha’ and be more conflict seeking. But it seems like passive is who he is.
So instead we’ve communicated to him that he doesn’t need to be sad because other boys enjoy playing with his trucks and it makes them happy, and he will always get them back. I hope that advice helps him avoid gamma tendencies early on.
Attention grabbing seems to be more nature than nurture. The parents could be more narcissistic, thus paying less attention to the children. And the children inherit the narcissism with acting out.
Shyness is heritable, and inhibits attention grabbing. Of course shy Asians tend to stay within their races, so magnifies the attention-grabbing-hapa phenomenon.
One of the things I noticed with my Gamma "friends" back in my early 20's, was that even though I thought they were good guys, I could only stomach them in small doses.
The better I got to know them, the more I realized they were full of shit, and not very "good" guys at all.
My kids are hapa, they wouldn't steal a ball unless its part of the game. Ive seen this attention grabbing 'bad' behavior from kids that have uninvolved parenting. Some on the extreme end where parents are divorced and their boy is pulling a girls hair, throwing random face punches, etc. Then theres some boys that are just softer and more sensitive and the parents are not aware. In between those are the single child boys where they are rambunctious and moms usually can't keep up. All of them are aware of the chad and stacys, it is interesting to observe when they find their place. Being the only hapa may have influenced this kid, but its the parents not correcting his behaviors.
What’s a hapa?
Interesting. I thought it stood for "Heritage-American or Part-American" but it refers to the diversity people.
Wikipedia: Hapa (/ˈhɑːpə/) is a Hawaiian word for someone of multiracial ancestry. In Hawaii, the word refers to any person of mixed ethnic heritage, regardless of the specific mixture. The term is used for any multiracial person of partial East Asian, Southeast Asian, or Pacific Islander mixture in California.
In the United States outside of Hawaii, it generally means a half-white half-East/Southeast Asian (in most cases Chinese, Korean, Japanese, Filipino, or Vietnamese). Hawaii is a small state, and even most Americans have never met a Pacific Islander, so if you see "hapa" on the Internet, that's probably what it means.
Your preferred search engine can find the answer.
"define [word]" is a good way to narrow down the results to relevant definitions.
Thanks
Could a guy become king of gammas in a gamma environment or would it be too chaotic and everything will break?
Silicon Valley has a lot of groups like that. Once the company scale up, professional management is brought it, things change, but be very careful before accepting a job offer in an early stage startup, a lot of times you'll end up in a den of gammas.
Of course. In every group of Gammas, one Gamma will usually become the situational alpha. That's what the hierarchy being fractal means.
The SSH is fractal, which means that in an all-gamma group one of them will assume the alpha role until a higher rank comes along.
This is accurate, and plays out in multinational Asian companies being converged by Westerners, when the whole Asian leadership is overthrown from their positions of power and the Chads and Stacys, or Bobs and Karens take over.
Given time, however, it tends to turn into something like Nissan, the lead gaijin flying the country in a suitcase. Or being set up by a drug dealer as a cocaine buyer.
The Japanese are especially elaborate in their collective revenge plots.
"when the whole Asian leadership is overthrown from their positions of power and the Chads and Stacys, or Bobs and Karens take over."
What companies are examples of this?
Nissan, Sony entertainment USA, Nintendo USA, Square Enix.
Mostly it will cancer the fully owned subsidiary. Then stop.
Nissan and Square I know it jumped the pond.
Nissan had a regicide to regain control.
I know this is not the answer you are looking for, but if it’s not reported in mass media, most of us will never know.
Insiders must remain silent, to survive.
"It’s always important to remember that there is no one grand hierarchy, and also that the various hierarchies are fractal. But this is a very typical pattern that will tend to present itself as soon as there are sufficient minorities to break off and form their own hierarchies. If there had been fewer Asian kids, both the Hapa and the Asians would likely have been members of the nerdy hierarchy."
Is there an ideal hierarchy size for parties? Emily Post in her Etiquette mentioned the popularity of informal dinners of 8, breaking into two groups of 4 for bridge.
I am interested to see the relationship between etiquette and the SSH as well.
I believe this post by Omega's journey is good too:
https://omegasjourney.substack.com/p/the-straightforward-empathy
While psychopaths lack affective empathy, there is a hypothesis in this post that they have a better theory of mind than the average person. Their brain abnormality enables greater detachment from emotional contagion.
I do wonder if it is a good idea to develop more of a relative detachment in certain regards to allow us to navigate the SSH better. It is what it is. It shouldn't be something taken too personally.
I don't think Omegas have much to offer on matters related to these. I wish OJ well on his journey, but based on certain things he's said, I think he's on the train to Gamma town, not Alpha ville.
What could he (specifically as an Omega) do to increase his chances of landing in Delta Junction vs Gamma Town? It would be a shame if he finished the Omega Journey only to see the Gamma Graduation looming ahead of him.
There are two arguments. Those which persuade action. And those which persuade sitting still.
Deltas believe silly, optimistic things. And they're disgusted by inaction when they work. Gammas rationalise fear and inaction. Deltas are liked because they show up.
He should modify his behavioral pattern instead of rationalizing it. He'doing a bizarre exercise in trying to alter his mindset without realizing mindset and emotional state are a rationalization and a consequence of his behavioral pattern, not its cause.
Gammas are one step above omegas. Why wouldn't the gamma be his logical destination if he is trying to improve?
Destination, trap, or waystation — it depends on the Omega and what his capabilities and goals are. The ideal situation would be to skip Gamma and shoot for Delta. Of course, the "Graduating Gamma" stuff and other anti-Gamma advice would be relevant for achieving that.
1. Accept the reality of the rules of attraction. "I won't settle for anything less than a supermodel" is supreme delusion. That's why I stopped paying attention, since I could see where things were most likely headed.
2. Learn probabilistic thinking. Binary thinkers always think that "possibility" means "reasonable chance" and refuse to accept that what is improbable is essentially impossible.
Thank you.
How can people learn probabilistic thinking? I think it’s a powerful tool and I’d like to learn more.
With the binary thinking description I’m reminded of the scene in Dumb and Dumber where Lloyd asks Mary what are the chances of her dating him and she says 1 in a million and Lloyd is stoked about that because it’s not zero. “So you’re telling me there’s a chance. YEAH!”
This is good advice for Deltas who want to be better as well, and improve not only their luck with women, but also their social standing. "Accept the rules" is hard for Delta narcissism to overcome.
I'm skeptic on psychopaths having any theory at all. From what I've seen they merely identify conflict-avoidant victims and just roll with it, until someone more confrontational comes along and then they fail spectacularly. They don't even acknowledge the possibility that someone might eventually call them out.
Food for thought.
You can already see it amongst the two year olds at kindergarten. Pretty hilarious listening to 2 yr old talking about classroom politics and who pushes who. which kid no one likes etc. although we have had to say you don't need to be everyone's best friend but you don't just hurt or ostracise other kids... mind you I did the same.
I knew a lot of Hapas growing up and one thing I see clearly with the benefit of hindsight is that they very strongly did not want to be seen as "Asian". Hapa girls would only ever have White boyfriends.
I'm told if the father is asian the kid ends up ok, if the mother is asian the kid self-hates.
Depends on the Hapa, the girls do almost always gravitate to what their father is, which is normal. For the men in my circles it's a coin flip. Two in particular are de facto Asian Chads, one being 6'3" sculpted like a Greek God but with Asian features. One blonde Samurai friend married the hottest Guatemalan girl I've ever met, so a handful go the Hispanic route. Given some Hapas look Hispanic and the natives are from the Altaic plains originally it makes sense why.
Jose has it.
Struggle in the Anglo hierarchy, but in the Hispanidad or Asian one you could be top.