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MPDG is like the feminine worldview on steroids - no discipline, no consequences, no punishment, everybody is special, we all deserve everything we want all the time without any work, risk or sacrifice, etc. Which is like a siren's call to low status men looking to be unburdened by their masculinity (while still receiving sex). It's like finding the Madonna and the whore in a single woman - and she won't judge him for anything, and just wants everybody to be happy all the time - how sweet - definitely a keeper!!!! Of course, it's a trap, regardless of how sincere the MPDG (thinks she) is - as soon as the man joins her completely in her world, they both get sucked down the rabbit hole together until the fairy tale falls apart under its own weight. Higher status men are far more grounded in reality, and comfortable with their burden of performance. So they aren't looking to "let it all go, and "join an adventure" since they don't seek escapism from their realities nearly as much. To them, MPDG's might be entertaining, but there's no sense of titillating grip on their imagination since the higher status man isn't seduced by the "loss of self" fantasy that lower status men are seeking. (See also: porn, video games, liberal politics).

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The place I grew up had more women like the character Beth than the MPDGs. So i never really understood that there are women addicted to abuse and drama until college when I worked in a sorority as a waiter. First experience was a young lass who wanted to "save her" from an abusive boyfriend. Same guy she willingly kept going back to.

Learned you can't save anyone who doesn't want to be, and you can't save everyone. Most people end up where they are because of choices they would make again if offered, so don't play the white knight to a person who really wants to be in the mud.

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It's true they can't be saved. Observe the short life of Colleen Applegate/Shauna Grant.

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I haven't seen any of the shows, so am only going by the assumed quotes, but I resonate more either with Elle, (more feminine) or, more likely, with Angel (feminine in a "different way" and more in keeping with my sense of things).

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One thing I haven't seen mentioned about pixie girls which is also a large part of their appeal to Rescue Rangers: they're tiny.

I am not well acquainted enough with the counterexamples to be sure, but I imagine they are not purse puppies in human form.

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Funny that a gay guy like Stipe would white-knight for women victims of rape after convincing a very confused Macaulay Culkin for years that he was gay too.

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Women like this are much more forward than the others who're interested in me, and due to insufficient empathy, I wildly misunderstand them and their approach to life. So I have an excessively positive perception of someone who also appears to be more attracted to me than anyone else. Plus, they provide endless opportunities to help them and be appreciated for it. The combination makes being involved with these girls feel like emotional crack.

Based on ongoing efforts to enhance my empathy, I think the reason that high status men don't see the appeal is that they're just not self-absorbed enough to get sucked in.

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This was a particularly insightful self-reflection I think. Thank you. It certainly made me understand your view of things a lot more than I had ever given any thought to it before. Personally I find such women to be absolutely and painfully exhausting as well as nauseatingly predictable.

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Knowing one's place is not a submission to the cruel madness of the hierarchy, to the fallen nature if humans.

It is, in truth a pretty good shield against getting burned alive isn't it?

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"So I have an excessively positive perception of someone who also appears to be more attracted to me than anyone else"

Once again, we see the power of the Halo Effect.

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You're a moron who is literally too stupid to use Google.

First, Jessica Kelly Siobhán Reilly is Irish. As if it wasn't obvious from her appearance.

Second, you only read the abbreviated Google search, which concatenates the text it finds. If you'd actually clicked on the link, you would have seen that the line from IMDB which you quoted actually refers to Sarah Michelle Gellar.

And Miles Mathis thinks everyone is Jewish.

UPDATE: And now you're banned.

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"Everyone you know is a Jew!" is a remarkably common explanation of the state of the world for many people today.

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These women make me feel icky. Nothing feels like it comes without strings attached.

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There is a tangential relation between MPDG and BPD when it comes to men. I've observed that both are, at first, "happy to meet you halfway" and "accommodating," which, to many men, are attractive. However, as the relationship progresses, both will start to draw arbitrary lines, with the MPDG moving on to the next thing (bored now). At the same time, BPD drops into codependency (I've found someone to abuse who can control me).

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Rip married a BPD alcoholic boss girl Beth...that doesn't make him an Alpha.

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Who ever said he was? He's about the most bravo Bravo who ever Bravoed.

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Rip is 100% not an Alpha.

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I'm married to a very attractive blonde horse gal. Horse women are wild. Even more so the prettier they are

Her fathers comment to me when we married was " good luck"

12 yrs together and still going strong. But..I'm also a pretty tough bastard.

Reading the Gayman story I could never picture my wife ever visiting a house like that alone.

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If you visit on horseback, you're never really alone? A place you can't visit on horseback? Probably not worth visiting.

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You are correct about horse women, sir. Every man deserves a good rodeo once in his life.

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Mine is a brunette, but otherwise the same experience.

She is also an equine veterinarian, and I am absolutely sure she would castrate Neil, on the spot, with an evil smile. I've seen her do 1500+lb horses; so he wouldn't even be a challenge.

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The only thing you can save a woman from by dating her is a bad boyfriend.

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In addition to The Smiths, they also tend to like The Grateful Dead, and often The Beatles. All red flags. Special caution is advised if her favorite song is "Yellow Submarine" or "I Wanna Hold Your Hand." Living for the moment is not a basis for a lifestyle or a philosophy, but overworked, stressed-out men of any SSH type may find it temporarily appealing, or confuse it with being good with kids.

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In my opinion, the MPDG is a fetishization of women with borderline personality disorder.

BPD girls go through cycles of intense valuation followed by extreme devaluation if people - she starts off the relationship by being extremely into you, very sexually interested, which most low SSH men are not prepared to be critical of because they aren't used to it. She also wants to engage in high risk behavior which is initially exciting to a Deltas/Gamma. She makes him feel special. The secret King finally has confirmation of his special specialness!

But then the cold cycle comes where the woman devalues him and recontextualizes all her behavior, often feeling intense shame. Normally adjusted people don't know how to deal with that downturn. They pursue, hoping to recapture that rare feeling rather than writing her off as insane and moving on to the next woman.

Some large portion of the "me too" scandals is probably just low status men interacting with women that have cluster B personality disorders.

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I nearly had a flashback reading that. Very well done.

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I knew a low delta with a girl like that a while back. His explanation was, and I quote "she puts out". I guessed that as long as he understood that he should be fine. He left the country shortly after to chase after her.

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