The beautiful, self-confident blondes as described all seek men who are focused on the long-term. Deltas are focused on the task at hand until its complete, and Gammas are focused on the here-and-now of emotional satisfaction.
Deltas and Gammas also tend to have rigid boundaries with how they view themselves and how they operate in life, usually coming from a state of cowardice of the unknown. When they meet a woman who moves through life with blissful ignorance, they see a life raft that can help move into the unknown with a greater sense of comfort without a fear of failure.
Also, being that Deltas and Gammas tend to be more narcissistic, the "poetically living" woman may appear to have enough co-dependent attributes that the ego of the Delta/Gamma knows what's best for her. After all, it's hard to establish boundaries when every nuance of life has some deep meaning.
"The smallest everyday event can feel like a deep metaphor, or high quest."
Having suffered a nervous breakdown once I have to explain this: they are literally describing mental illness here. One form it can take is a complete inability to distinguish the mundane from the important, so *everything* becomes fraught with deep meaning, including random road signs, but, in a weird way, everything becomes meaningless.
I couldn't read the entirety of the linked article because paywall, but this quoted bit really stuck out to me"
"Pavlovich in particular is a textbook MPDG: survivor of childhood abuse, with a history of eating disorders, psychiatric episodes, solo travel from 15, a peripatetic bohemian existence including cabaret work, and celebrity fairy-godmother moments (such as an education scholarship paid by Tilda Swinton) that suggest a powerful personal magnetism."
What the substack authoress is really describing is a mentally ill, damaged woman. Certainly the damage was caused by her abuse (and I'm equally certain she suffered more abuse than she ever revealed. Abuse (especially when young) is like a concussion: once it happens it's more likely to happen to you again). Many women who are abused at a young age get so broken by it that they continually seek out more abuse in their lives, whether knowingly or not.
We should always strive to speak plainly and call a spade a spade. This girl was not a Manic Pixie Dreamgirl, she was abused and bears the scars. There's no need to go deeper than that. Plus, we can't forget that the term MPDG was coined back when Zooey Deschanel became a thing when she starred in The New Girl. Zooey was the original poster girl for the MPDG. But I always took that as bitter old feminists angry that a young, pretty girl who played a character that was not a total bitch got a ton of male attention. The MPDG of the 2010's is today's pick-me girl.
Getting back to abuse, Vox is right. Women this damaged cannot be saved, at least not by mortal means. They have been so damaged that they cannot handle true loving relationships, thus they will always find a way to sabotage their relationships with the white knights who mean to save them. Men, while they definitely deserve your pity, they do not deserve your time and effort.
The Manic Pixie Dream Girl is not today's pick-me girl. And the term long predates Zoey Deschanel; you are incorrect about the etymological history. There is nothing manic-depressive about a pick-me girl; MPDG was always mentally ill if not necessarily damaged by abuse.
The term was invented in the early 2000s as a response to the spate of female love interests in indie hipster movies. Think Kirsten Dunst in Elizabethtown, Natalie Portman in Garden State, Mary Elizabeth Winstead in Scott Pilgrim.
MPDG is like the feminine worldview on steroids - no discipline, no consequences, no punishment, everybody is special, we all deserve everything we want all the time without any work, risk or sacrifice, etc. Which is like a siren's call to low status men looking to be unburdened by their masculinity (while still receiving sex). It's like finding the Madonna and the whore in a single woman - and she won't judge him for anything, and just wants everybody to be happy all the time - how sweet - definitely a keeper!!!! Of course, it's a trap, regardless of how sincere the MPDG (thinks she) is - as soon as the man joins her completely in her world, they both get sucked down the rabbit hole together until the fairy tale falls apart under its own weight. Higher status men are far more grounded in reality, and comfortable with their burden of performance. So they aren't looking to "let it all go, and "join an adventure" since they don't seek escapism from their realities nearly as much. To them, MPDG's might be entertaining, but there's no sense of titillating grip on their imagination since the higher status man isn't seduced by the "loss of self" fantasy that lower status men are seeking. (See also: porn, video games, liberal politics).
The place I grew up had more women like the character Beth than the MPDGs. So i never really understood that there are women addicted to abuse and drama until college when I worked in a sorority as a waiter. First experience was a young lass who wanted to "save her" from an abusive boyfriend. Same guy she willingly kept going back to.
Learned you can't save anyone who doesn't want to be, and you can't save everyone. Most people end up where they are because of choices they would make again if offered, so don't play the white knight to a person who really wants to be in the mud.
I haven't seen any of the shows, so am only going by the assumed quotes, but I resonate more either with Elle, (more feminine) or, more likely, with Angel (feminine in a "different way" and more in keeping with my sense of things).
Funny that a gay guy like Stipe would white-knight for women victims of rape after convincing a very confused Macaulay Culkin for years that he was gay too.
Women like this are much more forward than the others who're interested in me, and due to insufficient empathy, I wildly misunderstand them and their approach to life. So I have an excessively positive perception of someone who also appears to be more attracted to me than anyone else. Plus, they provide endless opportunities to help them and be appreciated for it. The combination makes being involved with these girls feel like emotional crack.
Based on ongoing efforts to enhance my empathy, I think the reason that high status men don't see the appeal is that they're just not self-absorbed enough to get sucked in.
This was a particularly insightful self-reflection I think. Thank you. It certainly made me understand your view of things a lot more than I had ever given any thought to it before. Personally I find such women to be absolutely and painfully exhausting as well as nauseatingly predictable.
You're a moron who is literally too stupid to use Google.
First, Jessica Kelly Siobhán Reilly is Irish. As if it wasn't obvious from her appearance.
Second, you only read the abbreviated Google search, which concatenates the text it finds. If you'd actually clicked on the link, you would have seen that the line from IMDB which you quoted actually refers to Sarah Michelle Gellar.
There is a tangential relation between MPDG and BPD when it comes to men. I've observed that both are, at first, "happy to meet you halfway" and "accommodating," which, to many men, are attractive. However, as the relationship progresses, both will start to draw arbitrary lines, with the MPDG moving on to the next thing (bored now). At the same time, BPD drops into codependency (I've found someone to abuse who can control me).
Maybe I'm wrong with this, but...
The beautiful, self-confident blondes as described all seek men who are focused on the long-term. Deltas are focused on the task at hand until its complete, and Gammas are focused on the here-and-now of emotional satisfaction.
Deltas and Gammas also tend to have rigid boundaries with how they view themselves and how they operate in life, usually coming from a state of cowardice of the unknown. When they meet a woman who moves through life with blissful ignorance, they see a life raft that can help move into the unknown with a greater sense of comfort without a fear of failure.
Also, being that Deltas and Gammas tend to be more narcissistic, the "poetically living" woman may appear to have enough co-dependent attributes that the ego of the Delta/Gamma knows what's best for her. After all, it's hard to establish boundaries when every nuance of life has some deep meaning.
"The smallest everyday event can feel like a deep metaphor, or high quest."
Having suffered a nervous breakdown once I have to explain this: they are literally describing mental illness here. One form it can take is a complete inability to distinguish the mundane from the important, so *everything* becomes fraught with deep meaning, including random road signs, but, in a weird way, everything becomes meaningless.
So who would be a Magic Pixie Dream Girl in movies? Harley Quinn?
Until they make her black...
This piece, along with the highlighted comments, are so eye opening.
I couldn't read the entirety of the linked article because paywall, but this quoted bit really stuck out to me"
"Pavlovich in particular is a textbook MPDG: survivor of childhood abuse, with a history of eating disorders, psychiatric episodes, solo travel from 15, a peripatetic bohemian existence including cabaret work, and celebrity fairy-godmother moments (such as an education scholarship paid by Tilda Swinton) that suggest a powerful personal magnetism."
What the substack authoress is really describing is a mentally ill, damaged woman. Certainly the damage was caused by her abuse (and I'm equally certain she suffered more abuse than she ever revealed. Abuse (especially when young) is like a concussion: once it happens it's more likely to happen to you again). Many women who are abused at a young age get so broken by it that they continually seek out more abuse in their lives, whether knowingly or not.
We should always strive to speak plainly and call a spade a spade. This girl was not a Manic Pixie Dreamgirl, she was abused and bears the scars. There's no need to go deeper than that. Plus, we can't forget that the term MPDG was coined back when Zooey Deschanel became a thing when she starred in The New Girl. Zooey was the original poster girl for the MPDG. But I always took that as bitter old feminists angry that a young, pretty girl who played a character that was not a total bitch got a ton of male attention. The MPDG of the 2010's is today's pick-me girl.
Getting back to abuse, Vox is right. Women this damaged cannot be saved, at least not by mortal means. They have been so damaged that they cannot handle true loving relationships, thus they will always find a way to sabotage their relationships with the white knights who mean to save them. Men, while they definitely deserve your pity, they do not deserve your time and effort.
The Manic Pixie Dream Girl is not today's pick-me girl. And the term long predates Zoey Deschanel; you are incorrect about the etymological history. There is nothing manic-depressive about a pick-me girl; MPDG was always mentally ill if not necessarily damaged by abuse.
The term was invented in the early 2000s as a response to the spate of female love interests in indie hipster movies. Think Kirsten Dunst in Elizabethtown, Natalie Portman in Garden State, Mary Elizabeth Winstead in Scott Pilgrim.
MPDG is like the feminine worldview on steroids - no discipline, no consequences, no punishment, everybody is special, we all deserve everything we want all the time without any work, risk or sacrifice, etc. Which is like a siren's call to low status men looking to be unburdened by their masculinity (while still receiving sex). It's like finding the Madonna and the whore in a single woman - and she won't judge him for anything, and just wants everybody to be happy all the time - how sweet - definitely a keeper!!!! Of course, it's a trap, regardless of how sincere the MPDG (thinks she) is - as soon as the man joins her completely in her world, they both get sucked down the rabbit hole together until the fairy tale falls apart under its own weight. Higher status men are far more grounded in reality, and comfortable with their burden of performance. So they aren't looking to "let it all go, and "join an adventure" since they don't seek escapism from their realities nearly as much. To them, MPDG's might be entertaining, but there's no sense of titillating grip on their imagination since the higher status man isn't seduced by the "loss of self" fantasy that lower status men are seeking. (See also: porn, video games, liberal politics).
Scott Pilgrim vs The World literally ends with him getting his hand grabbed as she flies them into an Alice in Wonderland style dimension-door.
All male agency surrendered for the companionship of the MPDG. No goals, no plans, just to follow and be present.
The place I grew up had more women like the character Beth than the MPDGs. So i never really understood that there are women addicted to abuse and drama until college when I worked in a sorority as a waiter. First experience was a young lass who wanted to "save her" from an abusive boyfriend. Same guy she willingly kept going back to.
Learned you can't save anyone who doesn't want to be, and you can't save everyone. Most people end up where they are because of choices they would make again if offered, so don't play the white knight to a person who really wants to be in the mud.
It's true they can't be saved. Observe the short life of Colleen Applegate/Shauna Grant.
I haven't seen any of the shows, so am only going by the assumed quotes, but I resonate more either with Elle, (more feminine) or, more likely, with Angel (feminine in a "different way" and more in keeping with my sense of things).
One thing I haven't seen mentioned about pixie girls which is also a large part of their appeal to Rescue Rangers: they're tiny.
I am not well acquainted enough with the counterexamples to be sure, but I imagine they are not purse puppies in human form.
Funny that a gay guy like Stipe would white-knight for women victims of rape after convincing a very confused Macaulay Culkin for years that he was gay too.
Women like this are much more forward than the others who're interested in me, and due to insufficient empathy, I wildly misunderstand them and their approach to life. So I have an excessively positive perception of someone who also appears to be more attracted to me than anyone else. Plus, they provide endless opportunities to help them and be appreciated for it. The combination makes being involved with these girls feel like emotional crack.
Based on ongoing efforts to enhance my empathy, I think the reason that high status men don't see the appeal is that they're just not self-absorbed enough to get sucked in.
This was a particularly insightful self-reflection I think. Thank you. It certainly made me understand your view of things a lot more than I had ever given any thought to it before. Personally I find such women to be absolutely and painfully exhausting as well as nauseatingly predictable.
Knowing one's place is not a submission to the cruel madness of the hierarchy, to the fallen nature if humans.
It is, in truth a pretty good shield against getting burned alive isn't it?
"So I have an excessively positive perception of someone who also appears to be more attracted to me than anyone else"
Once again, we see the power of the Halo Effect.
You're a moron who is literally too stupid to use Google.
First, Jessica Kelly Siobhán Reilly is Irish. As if it wasn't obvious from her appearance.
Second, you only read the abbreviated Google search, which concatenates the text it finds. If you'd actually clicked on the link, you would have seen that the line from IMDB which you quoted actually refers to Sarah Michelle Gellar.
And Miles Mathis thinks everyone is Jewish.
UPDATE: And now you're banned.
"Everyone you know is a Jew!" is a remarkably common explanation of the state of the world for many people today.
These women make me feel icky. Nothing feels like it comes without strings attached.
There is a tangential relation between MPDG and BPD when it comes to men. I've observed that both are, at first, "happy to meet you halfway" and "accommodating," which, to many men, are attractive. However, as the relationship progresses, both will start to draw arbitrary lines, with the MPDG moving on to the next thing (bored now). At the same time, BPD drops into codependency (I've found someone to abuse who can control me).
Rip married a BPD alcoholic boss girl Beth...that doesn't make him an Alpha.
Who ever said he was? He's about the most bravo Bravo who ever Bravoed.
Rip is 100% not an Alpha.