Having a daughter inoculates you against being taken in by the facade. All the bluster and bravado melts away as soon as you ask them if they need a hug.
Former "Strong, Independent Woman" and Single Mom:
The best thing I ever did was I stopped dating men who came from broken homes. I come from a broken home, and after many dating woes and 2 failed engagements, I realized that I needed to find someone who experienced an intact family.
BUT...
I think you guys are underestimating the number of men who say that they are attracted to "strong/independent women".
I found myself married to a man (raised by a single mom) who often complained about his sister-in-law being a "lazy stay at home mom" (red flag). He'd commented on his brother having to work 15-hour days. He saw his own mom work herself to the bone after his dad left her for the younger woman he impregnated on a business trip. Welp. 1 year into our marriage, I found myself covering 100% of our bills and working myself like a dog. I deuced the F outta there and filed for a divorce. He got a rich widow pregnant before our divorce was finalized, got her to sell her mansion and is now a stay-at-home dad. I too, am a stay at home mom, happily married with a baby on the way.
I learned that because I came from a broken home myself (multiple divorces, ex-stepparents) I often sought out men who came from broken homes because they were easier to relate to. I was too insecure to date a man who came from an intact family. My husband is a family man who cares about tradition and he comes from an intact family. I had to agree to give my engagement ring to our eldest son when he found a wife, which my hubby will then upgrade, and that I would have to give to each of our following children when they get engaged. So the number of upgrades I get depends on the number of sons we have.
The Strong/ Independent woman mantra is a good mentality thing when you have to work hard to make ends meet and you have no other option, but it is not a good dating strategy.
Yes, and you choose to listen to those who tell you that instead of those who tell you the opposite.
Now, look at who is telling you the one thing versus who is telling you the opposite. This really isn't that hard. Maybe in the 1970s the ignorance could be excused, but not now.
Also, I suspect that no amount of being told that it is attractive for women to hold themselves accountable is going to make them suddenly amenable to that.
I don't choose to listen to it, but some do, obviously. Most women are going to marry a man who expects them to work through motherhood. I also think you may overestimate the sad crone archetype, because while these women are out there, in real life most women are pretty content with their life choices. Most women don't have an "I don't need no man" attitude, they just have a "I'm waiting for the right person" mindset and they are very willing to be patient in that wait.
Scott Adams has come out with the following statement.
"I have the same cancer that Joe Biden has. I also have prostate cancer that has also spread to my bones," said the 67-year-old Adams during his May 19 "Coffee with Scott Adams" show on Rumble.
"My life expectancy is maybe this summer. I expect to be checking out from this domain sometime this summer."
Adams said that the cancer "is already intolerable."
"I can tell you that I don’t have good days. So if you are wondering, ‘Hey Scott, do you have any good days’? Nope. Nope. Every day is a nightmare and evening is even worse."
"I do have the ability to kind of get up for this part of the day, but I am in pain, and I’m always in pain. And the pain moves around to different parts of my body,” he said during the show. “I’ve been using a walker to walk for months now."
Turned out “embracing” independence and so forth isn’t the same as being those things. That solipsistic preference for word magic over reality is non-stop.
Smug entitlement with nothing of substance behind it is repulsive. At least the shop girl is cute.
Many independent women around whose first and often only problem resolution routine consists of asking a man to help out.
But in Clown World the whole show is fake anyway and the loudest feminists are supported by armies of men and taxes paid by men.
Women are now working and supposedly providing value, yet materially not much seems to have changed for better. Even the work day is the same length. Seems as though women provided a lot more being caring and nurturing rather than independent.
It's typical that when we disapprove of something we're not supposed to, that the disapproval is knee-jerk characterized as a phobia, as "hate," insecurity, etc.
No, it's because a "strong, take-charge" attitude in a woman is about as attractive as a hidden penis.
If I hear from her that guys are intimidated, I assume that her skill with people is awful. Mothers aren't intimidated by their sons. Wives have learnt how to talk with men, so that men are persuaded by their wives. They learn how to outwit, outtalk, outsmart, out-anything, so their sons listen to them. Such women believe that skill with men, that's a part of the trade. In sports, there are measures of how well you perform. If you perform too poorly, you're not drafted.
It is intimidating dealing with anyone who is irrational. They can accuse you of anything. Men wind up therapy just to figure out how to deal with the sociopath out to get them. Women destroy their lives for fun
I can think of three strong independent woman I have known off the top of my head.
1 - 2 A young widow with two children
3. An older woman with just-grown children whose husband stroked out but did not die and needed nursing home care.
All three had thanks to "Ricardo, retardo" no close family support. All found work, worked like dogs, and got themselves financially stable.
All but the much older women happily married again: one for 50 years, one still married; and the third taken care of by her son-in-law when her daughter married. All understood that female independence is undesirable misfortune. All trusted in the Lord to provide. All were granted strength to endure.
The problem isn't the "strength*", but the word independence linked to it. Because the phrase exists to serve the big lie of equality.
Women are strongest in the arms of a stronger man.
The proof is that the bitterest, most resentful woman pushing Stronk Wahmen and feminist-men on children are those whose husbands or fathers failed them.
This is the missing link in "weak men create hard times"
*As I write I'm coming to realize "strength" is a weasel / motte-and-bailey word, like climate. Needs more thought.
So called 'strong independent' boss girls are just women trying to BE a man. And even the most 'accomplished' make for a poor version of a man
Having a daughter inoculates you against being taken in by the facade. All the bluster and bravado melts away as soon as you ask them if they need a hug.
Former "Strong, Independent Woman" and Single Mom:
The best thing I ever did was I stopped dating men who came from broken homes. I come from a broken home, and after many dating woes and 2 failed engagements, I realized that I needed to find someone who experienced an intact family.
BUT...
I think you guys are underestimating the number of men who say that they are attracted to "strong/independent women".
I found myself married to a man (raised by a single mom) who often complained about his sister-in-law being a "lazy stay at home mom" (red flag). He'd commented on his brother having to work 15-hour days. He saw his own mom work herself to the bone after his dad left her for the younger woman he impregnated on a business trip. Welp. 1 year into our marriage, I found myself covering 100% of our bills and working myself like a dog. I deuced the F outta there and filed for a divorce. He got a rich widow pregnant before our divorce was finalized, got her to sell her mansion and is now a stay-at-home dad. I too, am a stay at home mom, happily married with a baby on the way.
I learned that because I came from a broken home myself (multiple divorces, ex-stepparents) I often sought out men who came from broken homes because they were easier to relate to. I was too insecure to date a man who came from an intact family. My husband is a family man who cares about tradition and he comes from an intact family. I had to agree to give my engagement ring to our eldest son when he found a wife, which my hubby will then upgrade, and that I would have to give to each of our following children when they get engaged. So the number of upgrades I get depends on the number of sons we have.
The Strong/ Independent woman mantra is a good mentality thing when you have to work hard to make ends meet and you have no other option, but it is not a good dating strategy.
Women simply don't understand how obnoxious the modern ideal for women is as portrayed by the media they consume.
A lot of us are told that making money and being independent will make us more attractive.
Yes, and you choose to listen to those who tell you that instead of those who tell you the opposite.
Now, look at who is telling you the one thing versus who is telling you the opposite. This really isn't that hard. Maybe in the 1970s the ignorance could be excused, but not now.
Also, I suspect that no amount of being told that it is attractive for women to hold themselves accountable is going to make them suddenly amenable to that.
I don't choose to listen to it, but some do, obviously. Most women are going to marry a man who expects them to work through motherhood. I also think you may overestimate the sad crone archetype, because while these women are out there, in real life most women are pretty content with their life choices. Most women don't have an "I don't need no man" attitude, they just have a "I'm waiting for the right person" mindset and they are very willing to be patient in that wait.
I always mentally picture these strong and independent women as the crazy cat lady from The Simpsons.
My mirth always irks them, especially as their shilling increases, my laughter gets louder.
Scott Adams has come out with the following statement.
"I have the same cancer that Joe Biden has. I also have prostate cancer that has also spread to my bones," said the 67-year-old Adams during his May 19 "Coffee with Scott Adams" show on Rumble.
"My life expectancy is maybe this summer. I expect to be checking out from this domain sometime this summer."
Adams said that the cancer "is already intolerable."
"I can tell you that I don’t have good days. So if you are wondering, ‘Hey Scott, do you have any good days’? Nope. Nope. Every day is a nightmare and evening is even worse."
"I do have the ability to kind of get up for this part of the day, but I am in pain, and I’m always in pain. And the pain moves around to different parts of my body,” he said during the show. “I’ve been using a walker to walk for months now."
https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/im-always-pain-dilbert-creator-scott-adams-announces-he-has-same-cancer-biden-and-has
Thank the Dark Lord for not shooting up any boosters.
Turned out “embracing” independence and so forth isn’t the same as being those things. That solipsistic preference for word magic over reality is non-stop.
Smug entitlement with nothing of substance behind it is repulsive. At least the shop girl is cute.
Many independent women around whose first and often only problem resolution routine consists of asking a man to help out.
But in Clown World the whole show is fake anyway and the loudest feminists are supported by armies of men and taxes paid by men.
Women are now working and supposedly providing value, yet materially not much seems to have changed for better. Even the work day is the same length. Seems as though women provided a lot more being caring and nurturing rather than independent.
If a woman is being unreasonable when she’s on her period, is she ovary-acting?
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Cue Helen Reddy:
🎵
I am woman, I am sore
That men don't want me anymore.
And I don't know how I can make them care....
Thank-you!
It's typical that when we disapprove of something we're not supposed to, that the disapproval is knee-jerk characterized as a phobia, as "hate," insecurity, etc.
No, it's because a "strong, take-charge" attitude in a woman is about as attractive as a hidden penis.
ROFL
The only thing about a woman that most men actually find intimidating is very great beauty.
What I find intimidating about some women is that they yield the power of the state. They are like toddlers with access to the nuclear button.
If I hear from her that guys are intimidated, I assume that her skill with people is awful. Mothers aren't intimidated by their sons. Wives have learnt how to talk with men, so that men are persuaded by their wives. They learn how to outwit, outtalk, outsmart, out-anything, so their sons listen to them. Such women believe that skill with men, that's a part of the trade. In sports, there are measures of how well you perform. If you perform too poorly, you're not drafted.
It is intimidating dealing with anyone who is irrational. They can accuse you of anything. Men wind up therapy just to figure out how to deal with the sociopath out to get them. Women destroy their lives for fun
I can think of three strong independent woman I have known off the top of my head.
1 - 2 A young widow with two children
3. An older woman with just-grown children whose husband stroked out but did not die and needed nursing home care.
All three had thanks to "Ricardo, retardo" no close family support. All found work, worked like dogs, and got themselves financially stable.
All but the much older women happily married again: one for 50 years, one still married; and the third taken care of by her son-in-law when her daughter married. All understood that female independence is undesirable misfortune. All trusted in the Lord to provide. All were granted strength to endure.
The problem isn't the "strength*", but the word independence linked to it. Because the phrase exists to serve the big lie of equality.
Women are strongest in the arms of a stronger man.
The proof is that the bitterest, most resentful woman pushing Stronk Wahmen and feminist-men on children are those whose husbands or fathers failed them.
This is the missing link in "weak men create hard times"
*As I write I'm coming to realize "strength" is a weasel / motte-and-bailey word, like climate. Needs more thought.