What’s truly funny here is that I found out from my wife after we started dating is that when our social circles initially overlapped, she was “intimidated” by me and scared to talk to me. Once we did, she realized I just don’t really suffer fools, but I’m not some crazy a**hole (except on purpose) and she told me that being sort of scared of me was actually part of the attraction! As usual, feminism is only valuable in that it tells you the opposite of truth. I’m guessing I’m not the first man to experience the girl who was happy “taming the bad boy.”
Look how pathetic you are. Why are you here? Like I typed earlier, good luck. You are a loser with pathetic mentality and will not amount to much down here.
If they just became each other they'd be better off is the moral, I think. In panel 3 just imagine if it was Doof in a suit and superman pose and the girl looking lovestruck in comfort wear.
I'm a woman so take my opinion with a big grain of salt, given the topic at hand XD but... Girls may like muscles, but women marry for money, skills, and attitude, not muscles. A man who has a job, can fix the sink, and doesn't get emotional is way more attractive than a man who just has abs. Obviously if he has all those other things plus abs, that's great. But they're not the leading factor in making a lady's ovaries activate.
Young boys who get muscles before marriage are the disciplined workers when they become men. Muscles predate the rest of your list of attractive things. The higher levels of T make guys less moved by anxiety.
Literally what you’re saying is “just be a Delta”. Look around you and notice how many good solid Deltas who have jobs and fix sinks are stuck with obese hog wives who don’t respect them.
I guess those women married them because they could fix sinks, and big fucking whup. If that’s the reward for a life spent in sink maintenance, count me out.
All the work Deltas spend practicing ceramic bowl troubleshooting would be better spent at the gym, so that maybe prettier girls would notice them.
I don't think pretty girls respect men with abs much either, they just like sleeping with them. Women shit test no matter how many abs you have, though I'm sure it's more fun to be shit tested by a pretty girl than an ugly one.
My experience has been that the women I've known who were all about abs were not wife material in the slightest.
A girl’s sex is the most valuable thing she has. The men she gives it to are the ones she actually “respects”, in the only meaningful sense of the word, no matter what she says or thinks.
She's still going to immediately shit test, and the man's reaction determines if she maintains any sort of respect. Just being hot is not even close to enough to keep a girl around long enough for her to become a long term prospect. You could get a booty call slut to come back again and again just from the carnal side of things, but to get a good wife you'd need to offer more than muscles.
Well he can't be ugly, but there's a massive realm of possibility between ugly and ripped. I'm also not coming from the perspective of "How to make a stranger horny", but "how to make your girlfriend want to put a ring on it and breed." Those are very different things. Skills are attractive, though not as attractive as emotional control. At least to me. My now-husband was my coworker, and I felt attraction to him when I saw him calmly handle a situation that could easily fluster many others. One thing that makes gammas so repulsive is their emotional outbursts. A buff gamma quickly reveals himself by his emotions.
Women like abs. At the risk of sounding explicit, they like to feel them and kiss them. Abs on a man are like large breasts on a woman. It really is as simple as that.
If one is honest with oneself, "Intelligence" is not an attraction. But is simply justification for any situation. Kind of like when you emotionally want to buy something, but need a logical justification to make the purchase.
He is so hot. *And smart too.* (Therefore, she can tell everyone she is attracted to him because he is smart)
"He isn't high enough intelligence for me." (translation: he isn't attracted to me)
Hypergamouse is one of the best webcomics out there. It has managed to consistently ring true from day one, and these elaborations on SG are always delightful to see.
of all the women I have been with not once did they say they were drawn to my intellect. All of them thought I was tall dark and "terrifying in dark alley, please take me now" kind of way.
Relief is a temporary feeling. When one solves others problems, they feel relief. They are grateful for the feeling of relief. But that fades and then some form of guilt or envy starts to slip in.
I always assumed(in hindsight, incorrectly) that I wasn't very attractive, so I decided to learn other skills that would be attractive, like massage, cooking, playing with kids and babies, and be up for learning a new skill/activity that interested my significant other. Now, my best memories are cooking and making limoncello with my husband while playing a new game ☺️ Corporate careers seem so boring.
People can grow on you but that usually requires some other influence that leads you to spend time with them when you otherwise wouldn’t. Office romances, for instance.
How low do you think the typical man's minimum beauty standards are? My observations indicate that they are quite low for most men. Do you think that a delta, the average man, would go for a undeniably "ugly" or homely woman if he thought she was feminine and would make a good wife?
It's definitely a seller's market right now. A typical man would certainly settle for a second tier or even a high third tier woman if she was feminine and would make a good wife. Being nice and helpful go a very long way with a man. I think a woman that would make a good wife is probably more rare than a physically attractive woman in these contemporary times - and value is a function of supply and demand.
If you're a 50th percentile Delta, the US is currently issuing you a highly overweight but not ugly woman, or an ugly woman that's not overweight. To get women that are actually good looking and not overweight you're pretty much in the mid 80s in terms of percentiles. That, IMO is practically low bravo territory.
Unfortunately for both, those looking at them see the total package, and go no thanks, pass. Both fail to see what they consider positive aspects might be not matter to others or even be considered negatives. They lack both self and situational awareness. As for her, she needs to understand that being pleasant company, good cook and bed warmer beats any degree. As for the gamma, sucks to be you.
The only reason to consider her education is it can indicate intelligence, and if high, then the kids should benefit, otherwise it’s just window dressing.
Looks have nothing to do with intelligence. I've known some brilliant women who were absolute stunners, and I've known some ugly chicks that were also dumb as rocks.
Education, these days anyway, also has little to do with intellect. Colleges are letting any old idiot in, when 100 years ago these people wouldn't have even graduated high school (because high schools used to be a lot more challenging as well).
I agree, there’s intelligence and then there’s common sense which seems to be lacking these days. I always found common sense to be attractive in a way that the individual was able to think things/situations through reasonably. You can be highly intelligent and not be able to “see the forest for the trees” so to speak. But I think of myself as fairly intelligent—don’t know my IQ, never thought I needed to know, a college grad (associate degree for my profession was all that was necessary and didn’t see the need to spend more $). But one thing I’ve learned about myself is that I have this extremely curious nature to learn more—and if the past several years haven’t inspired that in you I don’t know what will😳 —-you don’t need a high IQ to do that. But if I’m with someone who doesn’t share that, I’m going to get bored. And that’s not good for a relationship. Looks are nice, so are muscles 💪🏼, but long term it’s the mental stimulation that wins for me. And a good sense of humor. Because as we age, those other attributes will change, it’s just nature. But the brain (hopefully) hangs in there until the end.
If you find a woman who is exceptionally beautiful, she's probably somewhat above average in intelligence. In the world we live in, with God as our gamemaster, almost everything good is correlated with each other at least moderately.
As a man, it wouldn't particularly matter to me WHAT her education was in: my goal is a family, with the wife staying home to raise the children and take care of the house. You do not need an education to do those things, and in fact, an educated woman is more likely than not going to assume that her education affords her more concessions from me or men like me. It does not.
Men, like it or not, don't value a woman's education, and in some cases it's even a detriment. Nor do men value a woman's career: if she's going to stay home to raise the children, she's not going to have a job outside the home (being homemaker is a full time career). She could make a million dollars a year, and that doesn't make her more appealing to men, because she isn't going to be making that when she's at home pregnant and watching the other children.
Exactly. If you have, say, 3-5 kids spaced approximately two years apart AND you want to do what's best for them and stay at home AT LEAST until the youngest is 3 (but preferably longer depending on which country you're in) then you're not going to be working for at least a whole decade. That's a long time to not use the degree you worked so hard to get.
Wife and I had 16th anniversary yesterday. However, second wife so apply any advice I give with caution, in line with the author’s warning to not take advice from failures.
That notwithstanding I have always been upfront that my job is to earn enough that she doesn’t have to. That’s how I was raised and I wouldn’t change it even if I could. I thank God I’ve been successful in that and our children have been raised the same.
Congratulations! That is so smart! I think some of the early men who didn’t mind their wife working because life was getting too comfortable and men were getting soft, didn’t understand that in the next decade would have to do all the things women do. They might’ve thought it was the easy way out with their wife working with all the things. The wife was doing home all week now it’s up to two people to do them at night and on the weekend and it seems horrendous to me.
Seems because I was a full-time mother and my husband was very comfortable when he came home. He didn’t have to call me at work, saying what are we gonna eat tonight? He had supper ready for him, chores done and had the weekends to spend with us. I don’t know why someone would want to live a different way. I for one wouldn’t ever put a baby with strangers never mind my own.
I t never made any sense to have kids and send their mother to work to pay strangers to raise them.
It’s a recipe for disaster, designed only to benefit commercial and political interests by lowering Labour costs and producing generations of broken people who are more easily manipulated and exploited.
Right, that's exactly my point: that would be the "concessions" I referred to. If she thinks she can be a full time SAHM, AND hold a job at the same time, she's going to burn herself out VERY quickly. It wouldn't bother me as a husband if she wanted to do that, as long as she was fulfilling her responsibilities at home as well, but that kind of breakneck pace would kill anyone. So, in her and the children's best interests, I'd have to refuse to allow her a job, and then she'd resent me for restricting her and "wasting her education" (although it was her who wasted the education, not me), and it'd be all sorts of headache.
Much easier to find a woman that didn't have a higher education (but was still intelligent), who then didn't have these ridiculous expectations of being Superwoman.
I was never interested in a woman's education or job. I was always very interested in whether she would be a good homemaker, mother and wife or not. Contrary to my past bravado on this site, these three things were even more important than her being "hot."
Get fit. Hit the gym BEFORE proceeding on anything else if serious about increasing your SMV.
Why this fundamental fact isn't understood, I do not know, but I wish I focused on this in my teens, rather than trying to play catch up in my middle ages.
It is completely unfair and immoral that men prefer to marry slender, debt-free virgins without tattoos. Clearly the government must do something about this, as soon as it is finished rescuing Appalachia.
Reasonable mortgage: implying that the woman thought ahead about having a home to raise a family in or building wealth via home ownership sounds like exactly the kind of debt one can justify in a potential mate.
I married a slender virgin without tattoos. She had a reasonable mortgage on a house suitable for us and the children we hoped to have. Once our first son was born, she retired from her job and became a homeschool mom. We did have to get a bigger house later on though after our third child. I'd planned and saved for a down payment on a house after I found a suitable wife. Turned out the suitable wife already had a house, so we just paid it off a lot earlier.
I dated a tall slender blonde once. I thought I had finally arrived boys. I had to pinch myself to see if I was dreaming. I put on my favorite cologne, some nice crisp clean clothing, swaggered to my freshly washed car and drove off to pickup my fantasy. A fantasy that was completely irrevocably shattered when, during conversation, she told me she was divorced and had three very young children. I still recall one of those children. The one staring at me through the picture window when I dropped her off. It was a sobering sad drive home.
Ooooof. That is always depressing, especially when one just refuses to date single moms on principal, because some of them are smoking hot but you know that, as hot as she is, she was irritating enough that some other man (or men) got tired of putting up with her, and you likely won't fare any better.
Single mom because she's a widow isn't a bad deal. One of my grandmothers was that right after WW2. But in general you're looking at a deep discount in the marriage marketplace, but the woman thus 'discounted' usually can't get that through her head and internalize it---as in, yeah, you might've been a mid 90th percentile woman before you had kids with another guy, and thus reasonably able to expect a high bravo or even a low alpha. But now if you get even a bravo you should be grateful because he's the best deal you and your kids are going to get, and you should give him your best, not an inferior treatment to what you gave the 1st guy. But very few women are capable of thinking that way.
Single-moms have their plus-sides: you at least know she's fertile and even is she isn't for some reason you get to spend her child-support checks on travel.
Havarti university! 😂 it’s little gems like this that make Hypergamouse such a pleasure to read
I want a Havarti U t-shirt!
Love it, 100% on point!
What’s truly funny here is that I found out from my wife after we started dating is that when our social circles initially overlapped, she was “intimidated” by me and scared to talk to me. Once we did, she realized I just don’t really suffer fools, but I’m not some crazy a**hole (except on purpose) and she told me that being sort of scared of me was actually part of the attraction! As usual, feminism is only valuable in that it tells you the opposite of truth. I’m guessing I’m not the first man to experience the girl who was happy “taming the bad boy.”
One must submit to nature in order to command nature. Reality is what we must submit ourselves to in order to command anything in reality.
Men and Women are not nature bud.
The nature of men and women including attraction and behavioral patterns is. Imo. Although modifiable only to a limited extent.
Good luck with your thinking. Submit to this world and you will not command very much.
Sure and if you fire a gun at your head you can will the bullet coming towards your head away.
Look how pathetic you are. Why are you here? Like I typed earlier, good luck. You are a loser with pathetic mentality and will not amount to much down here.
So a winner with a winning mentality wills away the bullet rather than not firing the bullet at all?
You know, if they would just hook up with each-other and get some release they might stop complaining long enough to…..meh nevermind
If they just became each other they'd be better off is the moral, I think. In panel 3 just imagine if it was Doof in a suit and superman pose and the girl looking lovestruck in comfort wear.
If I could tell my 12 year old self one thing, it would be that GIRLS LIKE MUSCLES.
I'm a woman so take my opinion with a big grain of salt, given the topic at hand XD but... Girls may like muscles, but women marry for money, skills, and attitude, not muscles. A man who has a job, can fix the sink, and doesn't get emotional is way more attractive than a man who just has abs. Obviously if he has all those other things plus abs, that's great. But they're not the leading factor in making a lady's ovaries activate.
Young boys who get muscles before marriage are the disciplined workers when they become men. Muscles predate the rest of your list of attractive things. The higher levels of T make guys less moved by anxiety.
A man with the self discipline to work his own muscles regularly is going to pass the shit test more reliably than a chubby but competent sink tinker.
Literally what you’re saying is “just be a Delta”. Look around you and notice how many good solid Deltas who have jobs and fix sinks are stuck with obese hog wives who don’t respect them.
I guess those women married them because they could fix sinks, and big fucking whup. If that’s the reward for a life spent in sink maintenance, count me out.
All the work Deltas spend practicing ceramic bowl troubleshooting would be better spent at the gym, so that maybe prettier girls would notice them.
Hot people date each other.
I don't think pretty girls respect men with abs much either, they just like sleeping with them. Women shit test no matter how many abs you have, though I'm sure it's more fun to be shit tested by a pretty girl than an ugly one.
My experience has been that the women I've known who were all about abs were not wife material in the slightest.
A girl’s sex is the most valuable thing she has. The men she gives it to are the ones she actually “respects”, in the only meaningful sense of the word, no matter what she says or thinks.
She's still going to immediately shit test, and the man's reaction determines if she maintains any sort of respect. Just being hot is not even close to enough to keep a girl around long enough for her to become a long term prospect. You could get a booty call slut to come back again and again just from the carnal side of things, but to get a good wife you'd need to offer more than muscles.
When is the last time a man made you horny by having a job and fixing a sink?
The dirty secret here is that women are just as visual as men are. You would rather sleep with a beautiful penniless waiter than a fat billionaire.
Well he can't be ugly, but there's a massive realm of possibility between ugly and ripped. I'm also not coming from the perspective of "How to make a stranger horny", but "how to make your girlfriend want to put a ring on it and breed." Those are very different things. Skills are attractive, though not as attractive as emotional control. At least to me. My now-husband was my coworker, and I felt attraction to him when I saw him calmly handle a situation that could easily fluster many others. One thing that makes gammas so repulsive is their emotional outbursts. A buff gamma quickly reveals himself by his emotions.
You’re changing the subject so you can be right. This is the exact behavior that makes men and women despise the gamma.
The truth is as Roman stated and requires no qualification:
Girls like muscles.
Can confirm.
Sexypot vibes get both sexes laid. What gets them to pair bond?
Men need to inspire respect. Women need to inspire affection.
You're right. I mean, I love my husband because he provides and is a great dad. But I wanna sleep with him because he's handsome!
Women like abs. At the risk of sounding explicit, they like to feel them and kiss them. Abs on a man are like large breasts on a woman. It really is as simple as that.
If one is honest with oneself, "Intelligence" is not an attraction. But is simply justification for any situation. Kind of like when you emotionally want to buy something, but need a logical justification to make the purchase.
He is so hot. *And smart too.* (Therefore, she can tell everyone she is attracted to him because he is smart)
"He isn't high enough intelligence for me." (translation: he isn't attracted to me)
Hypergamouse is one of the best webcomics out there. It has managed to consistently ring true from day one, and these elaborations on SG are always delightful to see.
The artist is very talented. The expressive nature of relatively simple drawings always amazes me.
of all the women I have been with not once did they say they were drawn to my intellect. All of them thought I was tall dark and "terrifying in dark alley, please take me now" kind of way.
My high school boyfriend was probably 2SD lower than me. Was I still attracted to him? Yes. However, did I respect him? No.
Smart people who clean up someone else's mess are appreciated. Brains which aren't attached to hearts are worse than useless.
Relief is a temporary feeling. When one solves others problems, they feel relief. They are grateful for the feeling of relief. But that fades and then some form of guilt or envy starts to slip in.
Hence the ancient wisdom:
“I don’t know why he hates me - I never did anything for him.”
I always assumed(in hindsight, incorrectly) that I wasn't very attractive, so I decided to learn other skills that would be attractive, like massage, cooking, playing with kids and babies, and be up for learning a new skill/activity that interested my significant other. Now, my best memories are cooking and making limoncello with my husband while playing a new game ☺️ Corporate careers seem so boring.
All those things are very attractive to a man. Which, makes you attractive.
They are attractive in a woman who meets an individual man’s minimum beauty standards. They are irrelevant otherwise.
People can grow on you but that usually requires some other influence that leads you to spend time with them when you otherwise wouldn’t. Office romances, for instance.
How low do you think the typical man's minimum beauty standards are? My observations indicate that they are quite low for most men. Do you think that a delta, the average man, would go for a undeniably "ugly" or homely woman if he thought she was feminine and would make a good wife?
It's definitely a seller's market right now. A typical man would certainly settle for a second tier or even a high third tier woman if she was feminine and would make a good wife. Being nice and helpful go a very long way with a man. I think a woman that would make a good wife is probably more rare than a physically attractive woman in these contemporary times - and value is a function of supply and demand.
If you're a 50th percentile Delta, the US is currently issuing you a highly overweight but not ugly woman, or an ugly woman that's not overweight. To get women that are actually good looking and not overweight you're pretty much in the mid 80s in terms of percentiles. That, IMO is practically low bravo territory.
First, all overweight women are ugly. Second, yes, that is why there are fewer Deltas than in a normal healthy society.
It really depends on the man. Vox calls this Hypertism.
I am not saying that beauty is subjective, but a man’s standards are.
Brutally correct.
Unfortunately for both, those looking at them see the total package, and go no thanks, pass. Both fail to see what they consider positive aspects might be not matter to others or even be considered negatives. They lack both self and situational awareness. As for her, she needs to understand that being pleasant company, good cook and bed warmer beats any degree. As for the gamma, sucks to be you.
The only reason to consider her education is it can indicate intelligence, and if high, then the kids should benefit, otherwise it’s just window dressing.
Looks have nothing to do with intelligence. I've known some brilliant women who were absolute stunners, and I've known some ugly chicks that were also dumb as rocks.
Education, these days anyway, also has little to do with intellect. Colleges are letting any old idiot in, when 100 years ago these people wouldn't have even graduated high school (because high schools used to be a lot more challenging as well).
I agree, there’s intelligence and then there’s common sense which seems to be lacking these days. I always found common sense to be attractive in a way that the individual was able to think things/situations through reasonably. You can be highly intelligent and not be able to “see the forest for the trees” so to speak. But I think of myself as fairly intelligent—don’t know my IQ, never thought I needed to know, a college grad (associate degree for my profession was all that was necessary and didn’t see the need to spend more $). But one thing I’ve learned about myself is that I have this extremely curious nature to learn more—and if the past several years haven’t inspired that in you I don’t know what will😳 —-you don’t need a high IQ to do that. But if I’m with someone who doesn’t share that, I’m going to get bored. And that’s not good for a relationship. Looks are nice, so are muscles 💪🏼, but long term it’s the mental stimulation that wins for me. And a good sense of humor. Because as we age, those other attributes will change, it’s just nature. But the brain (hopefully) hangs in there until the end.
If you find a woman who is exceptionally beautiful, she's probably somewhat above average in intelligence. In the world we live in, with God as our gamemaster, almost everything good is correlated with each other at least moderately.
A woman's looks predicts her IQ with the same accuracy as her higher education.
As a man, it wouldn't particularly matter to me WHAT her education was in: my goal is a family, with the wife staying home to raise the children and take care of the house. You do not need an education to do those things, and in fact, an educated woman is more likely than not going to assume that her education affords her more concessions from me or men like me. It does not.
Men, like it or not, don't value a woman's education, and in some cases it's even a detriment. Nor do men value a woman's career: if she's going to stay home to raise the children, she's not going to have a job outside the home (being homemaker is a full time career). She could make a million dollars a year, and that doesn't make her more appealing to men, because she isn't going to be making that when she's at home pregnant and watching the other children.
Exactly. If you have, say, 3-5 kids spaced approximately two years apart AND you want to do what's best for them and stay at home AT LEAST until the youngest is 3 (but preferably longer depending on which country you're in) then you're not going to be working for at least a whole decade. That's a long time to not use the degree you worked so hard to get.
Excellent response!
Wife and I had 16th anniversary yesterday. However, second wife so apply any advice I give with caution, in line with the author’s warning to not take advice from failures.
That notwithstanding I have always been upfront that my job is to earn enough that she doesn’t have to. That’s how I was raised and I wouldn’t change it even if I could. I thank God I’ve been successful in that and our children have been raised the same.
Congratulations! That is so smart! I think some of the early men who didn’t mind their wife working because life was getting too comfortable and men were getting soft, didn’t understand that in the next decade would have to do all the things women do. They might’ve thought it was the easy way out with their wife working with all the things. The wife was doing home all week now it’s up to two people to do them at night and on the weekend and it seems horrendous to me.
Seems because I was a full-time mother and my husband was very comfortable when he came home. He didn’t have to call me at work, saying what are we gonna eat tonight? He had supper ready for him, chores done and had the weekends to spend with us. I don’t know why someone would want to live a different way. I for one wouldn’t ever put a baby with strangers never mind my own.
I t never made any sense to have kids and send their mother to work to pay strangers to raise them.
It’s a recipe for disaster, designed only to benefit commercial and political interests by lowering Labour costs and producing generations of broken people who are more easily manipulated and exploited.
Right, that's exactly my point: that would be the "concessions" I referred to. If she thinks she can be a full time SAHM, AND hold a job at the same time, she's going to burn herself out VERY quickly. It wouldn't bother me as a husband if she wanted to do that, as long as she was fulfilling her responsibilities at home as well, but that kind of breakneck pace would kill anyone. So, in her and the children's best interests, I'd have to refuse to allow her a job, and then she'd resent me for restricting her and "wasting her education" (although it was her who wasted the education, not me), and it'd be all sorts of headache.
Much easier to find a woman that didn't have a higher education (but was still intelligent), who then didn't have these ridiculous expectations of being Superwoman.
I was never interested in a woman's education or job. I was always very interested in whether she would be a good homemaker, mother and wife or not. Contrary to my past bravado on this site, these three things were even more important than her being "hot."
You seem very intelligent. That is a good choice.
Oh, she's a doctor? Well then, I must totally reconsider my opinion on the Littlest Chickenhawk in light of this new evidence.
Not. Hiding behind your wife's reputation is totally unbecoming of a man.
Get fit. Hit the gym BEFORE proceeding on anything else if serious about increasing your SMV.
Why this fundamental fact isn't understood, I do not know, but I wish I focused on this in my teens, rather than trying to play catch up in my middle ages.
Yes.
It is completely unfair and immoral that men prefer to marry slender, debt-free virgins without tattoos. Clearly the government must do something about this, as soon as it is finished rescuing Appalachia.
Does a reasonable mortgage count? Most people consider that not 'bad debt' in the way that credit cards or most student loans are.
Reasonable mortgage: implying that the woman thought ahead about having a home to raise a family in or building wealth via home ownership sounds like exactly the kind of debt one can justify in a potential mate.
I married a slender virgin without tattoos. She had a reasonable mortgage on a house suitable for us and the children we hoped to have. Once our first son was born, she retired from her job and became a homeschool mom. We did have to get a bigger house later on though after our third child. I'd planned and saved for a down payment on a house after I found a suitable wife. Turned out the suitable wife already had a house, so we just paid it off a lot earlier.
I would say this is true except in the case of an extremely tall woman.
I dated a tall slender blonde once. I thought I had finally arrived boys. I had to pinch myself to see if I was dreaming. I put on my favorite cologne, some nice crisp clean clothing, swaggered to my freshly washed car and drove off to pickup my fantasy. A fantasy that was completely irrevocably shattered when, during conversation, she told me she was divorced and had three very young children. I still recall one of those children. The one staring at me through the picture window when I dropped her off. It was a sobering sad drive home.
Is she young, are her children the same race as you? Does she want more?
Might be worth it.
Ooooof. That is always depressing, especially when one just refuses to date single moms on principal, because some of them are smoking hot but you know that, as hot as she is, she was irritating enough that some other man (or men) got tired of putting up with her, and you likely won't fare any better.
It's worked twice in my lifetime (my own family and a close friend).
Both cases have the following similarities:
- Alpha/sigma dad
- Mum is younger than 20 with one child
- Mum is willing to have many more children
- Mum is willing to take supporting role
Single mom because she's a widow isn't a bad deal. One of my grandmothers was that right after WW2. But in general you're looking at a deep discount in the marriage marketplace, but the woman thus 'discounted' usually can't get that through her head and internalize it---as in, yeah, you might've been a mid 90th percentile woman before you had kids with another guy, and thus reasonably able to expect a high bravo or even a low alpha. But now if you get even a bravo you should be grateful because he's the best deal you and your kids are going to get, and you should give him your best, not an inferior treatment to what you gave the 1st guy. But very few women are capable of thinking that way.
Also the dad wants to adopt the kid as one of their own.
Single-moms have their plus-sides: you at least know she's fertile and even is she isn't for some reason you get to spend her child-support checks on travel.
Extremely tall women have long legs. Just sayin’.