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info1234's avatar

In essence. Learning not to fail like Adam did.

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Lacey's avatar

It's so hard to hold two truths at once. Yes, women ruin everything. Oof. It hurts, and I only know to stay calm about that one because I've been here for a while. Give me that rhetoric a few years ago, or heck, even on a bad day right now, and I'll bristle and feel the need to defend "women" because MY feelings are hurt. But the other truth I need to remember is that men love women and we're actually adorable, appealing creatures. It's ok that women ruin everything - that doesn't make us less valuable, it just means we really really need boundaries.

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IAM Spartacus's avatar

Saddly women fail to understand wherrethey fit in to the example of "Eph 5:24 Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything."

Women you literally set the example by how you submiy to your husband. When you act yhe way you fo you are telling your husband you want him yo act that way towards christ.

Thankfull some men have said "no" to their wives example and have submitted to Christ yet women fail to see the example.

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Frank Luke's avatar

My wife was telling me of a woman who worked with mostly women in the office. One of the few men in the office was stealing lunch from the same woman every day. He would get to the breakroom before her and eat her clearly marked lunch. One day, the woman went in early and caught him with her food coming out of the microwave. She took the plate and ate HER LUNCH in front of him.

Her coworkers tried to shame her for embarrassing the guy. No shame was cast the thief's way for stealing her lunch daily. No. The unforgivable sin to those women was that she embarrassed him.

Those priorities cannot mesh.

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C A Mackay's avatar

Hard to believe until I rationalized there were two teams here, and the woman was of a higher tier. She made them look and feel inferior by comparison and had disrespected their leader and coven by not becoming one of them. The unforgiveable sin to those women was that she embarrassed them. The criminally inferior male secretly punished her for the same reason.

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Mr. Berenstain's avatar

Women tend to run off, "perception is reality." Which is total BS. Reality is reality, regardless of how it's perceived by anyone. If perception is reality, then reality is a fluid concept rather than concrete fact. They need men to be grounded in Truth to keep the nonsense in check.

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Gary Quantus's avatar

Men are not "damaged." Women are stealing men's jobs. So, simply put, "women bad."

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Mrs. Chad Mungus's avatar

The "women bad" posts on this substack hurt. Sometimes they hurt bad. But hurt feelings with safety are better than the alternative.

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GH's avatar

"women bad" is shorthand for all the flaws that you innately possess and act upon.

If you know them, and you work against them actively would "women bad" have the same sting?

I don't know you and this isn't really about you, but:

Are you honest, truthful and forthcoming? No.

Do you put your husband first the same amount he puts you first? No.

Do you put your own passive interests before almost everything else? Yes.

These are just flaws women have and do, but women also have great qualities that they just have and do too, so its your role, and it does make a balance for a man's role.

Women are more "being" and men are more "doing", as they say. No man ever said "I am the table" in seriousness.

I think the public adoption of "women bad" can still be made confidently but with compassion.

Youre not "bad", so we hate you.

Youre "bad", so knock it off and follow your man with a pleasant demeanor and then things can be wonderful.

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Gary Quantus's avatar

Even the women that aren't bad by being sluts, are bad by supporting foreign invader men over their own men. So women bad. When woman say (every time they say) something about how good things are for men economically they are referring to illegal aliens and legal invaders, not to their own men who they refuse to acknowledge they have impoverished by stealing their jobs and supporting the government importing invaders to steal the rest.

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Konrad Forge's avatar

"No" can have truly miraculous effects.

I will never forget the moment I told my complaining mother that I will not help her solve her issues. I expected her to escalate, but she just looked at me, speechless, as I was walking away. Then all the problems, and complaining, disppeared overnight. We've had a far better relationship since then.

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PaisaBear's avatar

My dad used to repeat “your perception is NOT reality” in my young adulthood. Now, I try to ‘rationalize’ emotions before opening my mouth. Then I read an article like this and it’s affirming.

Thanks Vox!

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Uncouth Barbarian's avatar

It's why, when I say, "women ruin everything" my wife gets offended. And, at her offense, I can only laugh.

No matter how many times I've tried to tell her it's just a saying, she says she keeps hearing it's about her and our marriage, and wants emotional support that it's not her I'm talking about.

But you still have to say that women ruin everything, so that she understands entryism, and how destructive it is, and everything else.

Anyone that doesn't understand that should never be given leadership positions, ever

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Julie C's avatar

(Responding to Eden's comments, someone at Substack must have screwed up the comment-box coding)

"The truth is, we’ll be okay."

Exactly. I come from a rather different sort of family background from a lot of commenters here. I can see where women worry about the what-ifs, but the reality I've seen is that for the vast majority of people, one way or another, things work out. People are more adaptable than they realize, but they usually don't know that about themselves until they've lost everything, either literally or figuratively.

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CecilRhodes's avatar

I remember that thread because there was a contemporaneous thread on another blog on that same topic that went exactly the same way but that blog owner went SqEEEEEE women are good. Bad commenters for "woman bashing" and making women feel bad! It was an unusual non sequitur for a normally logical blogger. I thought wow, both these guys are smart, one gets to the root like a truth blood hound, no matter what, and the other gets thrown off by feelings and goes all squishy. How interesting to see this side by side. What you are saying about status, as a factor in this situation, it clicks.

Here's an illustration of this dynamic. In Texas over a decade ago there was a water cooler conversation about the death penalty. It was solidly pro until this one woman suddenly has an emotional melt down, like she herself was a murderer and we were condemning her. The intensity of how personally she was taking this was perplexing. Then it dawned - she'd probably had an abortion in her past and was telling us her real feelings about it. I recall the conversation going, look some people need to be deleted, the line where that necessity becomes obvious can be debated.

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CactusEaterBear's avatar

It was doubly funny because her username indicates she doesn’t take criticism or correction well.

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CecilRhodes's avatar

Good observation. You can divine a lot from a username.

The other blogger once wrote an entire rant post on how he let a waitress help herself to his money.

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Jefferson Kim's avatar

Actual quotes I've heard:

"Who I am are my feelings."

"My identity is around my feelings."

"When you say my feelings are wrong, you are attacking my identity."

Obviously, she has mental illness and anxiety to the degree that Objective Reality contradicts her mental state, and the degree in which she attempts to force all others that can see the contradictions to fit her Narrative.

Instead of attempting to adjust her internal state to Objective Reality, she attempts to force the world around her to confirm to her constantly changing emotional state.

It always comes back to Aristotle vs Plato: living in accordance to the Natural Order, or in rebellion.

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GH's avatar

Its because those Sentences of Power worked before. So keep using the hammer.

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James's avatar

I am thankful for Sigma Game.

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Sledge With An Edge's avatar

"What women want is ready access to anti-conception technologies, abortion on demand, and equitable representation in all occupations, professions, and industries they deem desirable."

Many otherwise staunch Christian or, rather, Churchian women still advocate for abortion because what if rape or some other excuse, use contraceptives to be "responsible", and see nothing wrong with women in CEO or other leadership positions despite the fact that it will almost always result in the eventual failure of the organizations. Vox is spot on yet again.

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C A Mackay's avatar

Leaving aside the desirability of the work, maybe a serious reason there aren't more women truck drivers is because they (shorter than average?) can't even see out of almost all SUVs safely, no matter how the seat is adjusted; that's how it was for me test driving, anyway. My even-shorter mom and I had no problem with Chevy Suburbans though, but they're expensive.

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Lacey's avatar

No, it has everything to do with status. I'm sure there are a few garbage truck driving women out there - probably doing a fine job too, but that's not where women as a whole are flocking.

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Sledge With An Edge's avatar

No, you may be shocked by how many women get their CDLs. They want the money involved, but they don't want to go over the road to get it. Result: they stay local for lower pay or flake out of the industry.

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C A Mackay's avatar

I would imagine most women who do get their CDLs do it to be with their husbands; or thinking it would be easy to get one! And less housework! But then it seems they are drawn to where is natural for them to be, even if they don't have children.

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GH's avatar

Standing behind the line for deep sea welders.

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Roll The Stone's avatar

This life is not Fair & no amount of rhetoric will change that. The sooner women accept:

A. I am Evil

B. I am not an irresistible 10

The better it will be for EVERYONE. I think that is the only hierarchy that even matters amongst women -- The Knows / The Knows not

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Narnia Bear's avatar

Evil and bad are not the same thing. But yes to #2.

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GH's avatar

Not evil, but allured by it.

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Lacey's avatar

Let's say "fallen" if "evil" rubs you wrong. Women are certainly fallen.

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GH's avatar

Men are fallen too, but most are not allured by evil, but are repelled by it.

Some of this is just dark triad strength indicators being attractive but some if it is something else.

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Roll The Stone's avatar

The heart is desperately wicked .... women seem to be more prone to thinking this doesn't apply to them.

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Jehu's avatar

A lot of women outsource direct action to such an extreme degree that they can easily delude themselves that they are 'Good'. I think that's part of what Paul is talking about when he says that Women will be saved through childbearing. Having children of your own that you have to deal with often disabuses women of this notion that they're 'Good'.

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GH's avatar

I dont agree.

I think most people are good-leaning but they are NPCs who are easy to trick and never think about being tricked and so its easy to act evily.

I think vice pulls at everyone and some are weaker to resist or dont have their own better direction they prefer.

Starting with the assumption that all people are evil at heart is good rhetoric for the creation of society, but if we want to look at it id say its really that people cant imagine how absolutely evil some others are.

And those absolutely depraved predators are not hunted, so they corrupt the NPCs and the good but weak don't want to hurt the no-bad-intention NPCs and the good men who are willing to do it dont want to be arrested as criminals for enforcing that society continues to exist.

Thats the problem as I see it. Lack of punishment of evil allows murkiness where people look a lot more evil than they would with some proper enforcers cracking skulls.

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