Down here in New Zealand the fat autist women have been obsessed with both Gaiman and Amanda Palmer forever so it got even worse when they got together and then moved here.
Palmer has done more than a few open air gigs here and I think her music is like a cat attacking a violin, but the local heifers love her. that song about Gaiman - whakanewha - means deceit or to hoodwink in Maori (pronounced Far-Ka-ney-waa), so not exactly subtle.
Hey vox does socio sexual Hierarchy scale to macro and micro? And what happens when a low status Macro encounters a high status Micro?
Whilst training Muay Thai in Thailand I was at a bar with some mates from the intermediate and beginners class, amongst my friends I could pick the alpha, bravo's deltas and gamma's (or so I thought). We were joined by a giant of an Iraqi man and some of his Middle-Eastern and Dagestani counter-parts, who were advanced and pro fighters. The hierarchy seemed to immediately shift and I was sitting in a group of deltas and gammas, the leader of the new arrivals was undoubtedly the alpha and his companions the Bravo's.
It made me consider that in most Thai places full of average Thai people I feel like the Alpha or Sigma but in a fighters bar surrounded by jacked Dagestani's I'm a frightened little omega or a best a Delta.
I also had the delight of one of the most entertaining interactions between the alpha arrival and the Gamma (Literally the English version of comic book guy from the Simpsons) as they crossed paths, having SSH knowledge in my back pocket is proving to be incredibly interesting and entertaining:
Alpha - where do you think I come from?
Gamma - *what I assume was an attempt at a playful neg but came off a little bitter and dismissive* uh.. I dunno... India?
Alpha - *joking to his mates* can you believe this M*fker thinks I look Indian?
*Now smirking and becoming playfully aggressive with the Gamma* You really think I look like an Indian?
Gamma - *choking on his testicles now stuck in his throat* no.... uh... I'm not sure dude... where are you from?
Alpha - Relax I'm just playing around mate, I'm from Iraq but from now on I shall call you "king Arthur" *spoken in a mock British accent*
Gamma - *muttered under his breath after the alpha has left* whatever you f*kn terrorist.
...and that's just the bare bones, which was about 10x more cringy in real life. I think the Gamma saw himself as the leader of our little group of Delta's and a pretty cool dude being in Thailand and swamped with Thai 6's and 7's but couldn't handle the sudden shift in his status when the Alpha arrived.
On a personal note I think I did a very good job of maintaining my role as a Delta during the interaction and I think I even earned some respect from the Alpha and his Bravo's from not bothering with the one-ups-man-ship games that the other guys in my group attempted or allowing my snarky-ness to get out. I did feel like a total fucking doormat but at least I was honest with myself and it felt good to let go of my ego and give people the respect they deserve.
With "American Gods" the novel, I was struck by how the whole was less than the sum of its parts. I suspect thematic issues, whatever that means. And how lame the ending was. I did like 'Stardust' the movie even if it had the stupid gay stuff.
Men and women are not able to be friends. If as a delta you are attracted to a girl and find yourself in the friendzone, quietly find the exit.
No amount of coping in your head will make it work. No amount of "being there for her" will make it work. Just move on. She is not and most likely will never be attracted to you. Such is life.
This is finally getting interesting. I say this as someone who never found Gaiman's prose interesting, but in comics he has earned his legendary status, and I was a big fan of Tori for her first few albums.
I turned Mrs. Gaiman's song off halfway through because it was boring, but I was struck by how much it sounded like Tori. Do you pick a wife - or manufacture one - based on how similar she is to a girl you had crush on decades ago?
One difficulty in analyzing connections between the rich and famous is that they're all surrounded by staff, hangers-on, corporations, etc. so there's no way to know anything meaningful about the connections really are, all we get is what's made public. That said, I'm curious about the conspiracies going on among celebrities. On the same album she cited Neil, Tori also cited Nine Inch Nails, whom I am not remotely a fan of but has obviously been very influential. On the next album, Trent Reznor would do back-up vocals for "Past the Mission."
Reznor has gotten way more attention than he deserves, ranging from Tori (and by extension, Neil) to Johnny Cash to Axl Rose, who spent most of the 90s and 00s trying to make an album like Trent Reznor instead of music people actually wanted to hear which had made him rich and famous.
I haven't paid much attention to the alpha/beta/gamma/etc. so I don't know how these specific definitions work, but I've been developing a theory that Axl Rose definitely falls into that category of being incapable of behaving like a normal or decent person and still getting surrounded by suck-ups to the point where he hasn't had any clue what reality is for decades.
At least Gaiman's fame and wealth came from regularly producing work that a lot of people liked. Tori may be a psycho witch, but at least she's been productive and must have some fans somewhere. Axl had rock-star fame and very little to show for it. Whatever cult is ruling the world, Trent Reznor is obviously higher-ranking than they are.
And just one more note, I've been wondering if weirdos like Gaiman are doing their perverse sexualism for some other reason. Or Joe Biden for that matter, something that's related to sex but not about getting the act itself. I have no clue how or why any of them would reach this point, but it's looking like a similar pattern for people like them.
And another note, Tori played Chicago twice on her Under the Pink tour, so we don't know which time Gaiman called. But her first Chicago show was just a couple weeks after Trent Reznor released "Downward Spiral" which Gaiman specified in that call.
The second time Tori played Chicago was in early July, just a few days after the Chicago Comicon. I attended that year and Gaiman did not, but he might have been in the background, hanging out at the hotel or something.
So whichever visit it was, there was *something* there.
I can only think of one great movie where the gamma is the central figure chasing a woman and that’s “Dumb and Dumber”. One of the best scenes in the movie is when Lloyd asks Mary what the chances of them being together are and she tells him one out of a million. Lloyd sees that as good news because he has a chance. One of the funniest movies I’ve ever saw.
Really fascinating! Is it possible that an inordinate interest in the "relationships" of celebrities is indicative of deep Gamma resentment? I'm pretty sure you could have had Tori Amos, but as you so reasonably explain, she wasn't hot enough for you.
Maybe you aren't familiar with Vox Day's corpus of writing, he had a massively inordinate interest in hating on all Gammas in general and even more so in the sci-fi world. Or at least it seems inordinate to me, probably there are good reasons (among which I would include" just for fun").
I'm familiar. A good deal of his writing is charged with resentment of people who are more famous than him. I could give a fuck about Gaiman and the quality of his writing but it's no controversy to say that hardly anyone has heard of Vox Day.
Yeah but Gaiman got his fame as a comic book writer. While he's one of the best in that field you can't compare it to writing actual novels; in that area Vox outclasses him by far.
This story illustrates a fact that most gammas and deltas are unable to swallow---basically no number of 'good friend points' are going to get you a woman who is more attractive than you'd otherwise be able to pull. If she's, say, a 7 on attractiveness and you're a 6 or a 5 in status, no amount of faithful friendship and support is going to get you in there.
I do have a question though, from the reversed perspective. Say a woman is an 8 on the attractiveness scale. Her eye is firmly on a man at the 10 level on the status ladder. We all know, of course that she could probably a quick fling, apex alphas and sigmas do that sort of thing all the time. But say she wanted something more permanent. Does any amount of faithful friendship and support over the years towards him from her matter? Or do apex alphas and sigmas consider that negligible compared to the difference between 8, 9 or 10 in mate attractiveness?
Yes. Men value loyalty and support far more than women do, because they tend to receive very little, if any, while women simply expect it from all men. Look around you. There are lots of women with more attractive husbands, because the women went all in while the competition sat around waiting for something even better to come along.
Most top-tier men would take a sweet and supportive 8 over a bitchy, pain-in-the-ass 10. But that doesn't mean they'll go for a 6 or 7.
Since most women don't do loyalty, support, or gratitude, the woman who does can really separate herself from the crowd.
I think Gammas tend to be a little like women in their mate selection. They think that if they have some sort of status, their woman also has to have some status (we don't wanna show up with a "bimbo" at a social event, do we?).
I didn't realize Gaiman wrote Stardust but that makes sense now. I recall people saying the movie was similar to Princess Bride but I found that baffling, as Stadust's Tristan was certainly no Westley. The story is basically a simping manifesto:
-Loser villager declares his love for a woman out of his league, who is clearly not interested.
-He nags her until she agrees to go out with him in exchange for a fallen star, a promise she obviously considers delusional and has no intention of honoring.
-He finds the fallen star which turns out to be a hot babe.
-He brings the star back only to be rejected, but that's okay because "He just wants his love to be happy."
-Watching him get rejected inexplicably causes the star babe to fall in love with him.
-They have a chaste marriage (the star girl can't have kids) and he dies while she lives forever, happy to have known someone so "nice."
Yuck. I couldn't explain my revulsion when I first saw the film, but I realize why now. It might be the most gamma hero ever written.
One of my favorites is Heroes Die by Matthew Stover. Here is an amusing review by Felicia Day referring to it as a "Blast of testosterone in the face" which, from her I'm assuming is a single entendre.
lol
Wait, hold on, is that always what Amos looked like? Isn't that a tranny? Is there even any such thing as a famous woman or are they all trannies?
Have you seen who Gaiman actually married?
Every time I see Amanda Palmer, I can almost hear Austin Powers shouting, "That a-MAN-da, baby!" Compared to her, Tori Amos is Venus on the seashell.
Down here in New Zealand the fat autist women have been obsessed with both Gaiman and Amanda Palmer forever so it got even worse when they got together and then moved here.
Palmer has done more than a few open air gigs here and I think her music is like a cat attacking a violin, but the local heifers love her. that song about Gaiman - whakanewha - means deceit or to hoodwink in Maori (pronounced Far-Ka-ney-waa), so not exactly subtle.
Hey vox does socio sexual Hierarchy scale to macro and micro? And what happens when a low status Macro encounters a high status Micro?
Whilst training Muay Thai in Thailand I was at a bar with some mates from the intermediate and beginners class, amongst my friends I could pick the alpha, bravo's deltas and gamma's (or so I thought). We were joined by a giant of an Iraqi man and some of his Middle-Eastern and Dagestani counter-parts, who were advanced and pro fighters. The hierarchy seemed to immediately shift and I was sitting in a group of deltas and gammas, the leader of the new arrivals was undoubtedly the alpha and his companions the Bravo's.
It made me consider that in most Thai places full of average Thai people I feel like the Alpha or Sigma but in a fighters bar surrounded by jacked Dagestani's I'm a frightened little omega or a best a Delta.
I also had the delight of one of the most entertaining interactions between the alpha arrival and the Gamma (Literally the English version of comic book guy from the Simpsons) as they crossed paths, having SSH knowledge in my back pocket is proving to be incredibly interesting and entertaining:
Alpha - where do you think I come from?
Gamma - *what I assume was an attempt at a playful neg but came off a little bitter and dismissive* uh.. I dunno... India?
Alpha - *joking to his mates* can you believe this M*fker thinks I look Indian?
*Now smirking and becoming playfully aggressive with the Gamma* You really think I look like an Indian?
Gamma - *choking on his testicles now stuck in his throat* no.... uh... I'm not sure dude... where are you from?
Alpha - Relax I'm just playing around mate, I'm from Iraq but from now on I shall call you "king Arthur" *spoken in a mock British accent*
Gamma - *muttered under his breath after the alpha has left* whatever you f*kn terrorist.
...and that's just the bare bones, which was about 10x more cringy in real life. I think the Gamma saw himself as the leader of our little group of Delta's and a pretty cool dude being in Thailand and swamped with Thai 6's and 7's but couldn't handle the sudden shift in his status when the Alpha arrived.
On a personal note I think I did a very good job of maintaining my role as a Delta during the interaction and I think I even earned some respect from the Alpha and his Bravo's from not bothering with the one-ups-man-ship games that the other guys in my group attempted or allowing my snarky-ness to get out. I did feel like a total fucking doormat but at least I was honest with myself and it felt good to let go of my ego and give people the respect they deserve.
With "American Gods" the novel, I was struck by how the whole was less than the sum of its parts. I suspect thematic issues, whatever that means. And how lame the ending was. I did like 'Stardust' the movie even if it had the stupid gay stuff.
I quit reading American Gods in the 3d chapter...The only thing I like from Gaiman is the Sherlock Holmes short stories....
Men and women are not able to be friends. If as a delta you are attracted to a girl and find yourself in the friendzone, quietly find the exit.
No amount of coping in your head will make it work. No amount of "being there for her" will make it work. Just move on. She is not and most likely will never be attracted to you. Such is life.
This is finally getting interesting. I say this as someone who never found Gaiman's prose interesting, but in comics he has earned his legendary status, and I was a big fan of Tori for her first few albums.
I turned Mrs. Gaiman's song off halfway through because it was boring, but I was struck by how much it sounded like Tori. Do you pick a wife - or manufacture one - based on how similar she is to a girl you had crush on decades ago?
One difficulty in analyzing connections between the rich and famous is that they're all surrounded by staff, hangers-on, corporations, etc. so there's no way to know anything meaningful about the connections really are, all we get is what's made public. That said, I'm curious about the conspiracies going on among celebrities. On the same album she cited Neil, Tori also cited Nine Inch Nails, whom I am not remotely a fan of but has obviously been very influential. On the next album, Trent Reznor would do back-up vocals for "Past the Mission."
Reznor has gotten way more attention than he deserves, ranging from Tori (and by extension, Neil) to Johnny Cash to Axl Rose, who spent most of the 90s and 00s trying to make an album like Trent Reznor instead of music people actually wanted to hear which had made him rich and famous.
I haven't paid much attention to the alpha/beta/gamma/etc. so I don't know how these specific definitions work, but I've been developing a theory that Axl Rose definitely falls into that category of being incapable of behaving like a normal or decent person and still getting surrounded by suck-ups to the point where he hasn't had any clue what reality is for decades.
At least Gaiman's fame and wealth came from regularly producing work that a lot of people liked. Tori may be a psycho witch, but at least she's been productive and must have some fans somewhere. Axl had rock-star fame and very little to show for it. Whatever cult is ruling the world, Trent Reznor is obviously higher-ranking than they are.
And just one more note, I've been wondering if weirdos like Gaiman are doing their perverse sexualism for some other reason. Or Joe Biden for that matter, something that's related to sex but not about getting the act itself. I have no clue how or why any of them would reach this point, but it's looking like a similar pattern for people like them.
And another note, Tori played Chicago twice on her Under the Pink tour, so we don't know which time Gaiman called. But her first Chicago show was just a couple weeks after Trent Reznor released "Downward Spiral" which Gaiman specified in that call.
The second time Tori played Chicago was in early July, just a few days after the Chicago Comicon. I attended that year and Gaiman did not, but he might have been in the background, hanging out at the hotel or something.
So whichever visit it was, there was *something* there.
I can only think of one great movie where the gamma is the central figure chasing a woman and that’s “Dumb and Dumber”. One of the best scenes in the movie is when Lloyd asks Mary what the chances of them being together are and she tells him one out of a million. Lloyd sees that as good news because he has a chance. One of the funniest movies I’ve ever saw.
With that first picture, Gaiman looks like he wants to be the bassist in a New Wave or Post-Punk band in the 1980s.
Really fascinating! Is it possible that an inordinate interest in the "relationships" of celebrities is indicative of deep Gamma resentment? I'm pretty sure you could have had Tori Amos, but as you so reasonably explain, she wasn't hot enough for you.
Maybe you aren't familiar with Vox Day's corpus of writing, he had a massively inordinate interest in hating on all Gammas in general and even more so in the sci-fi world. Or at least it seems inordinate to me, probably there are good reasons (among which I would include" just for fun").
I'm familiar. A good deal of his writing is charged with resentment of people who are more famous than him. I could give a fuck about Gaiman and the quality of his writing but it's no controversy to say that hardly anyone has heard of Vox Day.
Yeah but Gaiman got his fame as a comic book writer. While he's one of the best in that field you can't compare it to writing actual novels; in that area Vox outclasses him by far.
Resentment of what, precisely? And how do you define "inordinate interest"? Do you truly think a single reference is "inordinate"?
You're telling us more about yourself than you realize.
Presumably that passes for “clever and subtle” on the wrong side of the IQ gap.
This story illustrates a fact that most gammas and deltas are unable to swallow---basically no number of 'good friend points' are going to get you a woman who is more attractive than you'd otherwise be able to pull. If she's, say, a 7 on attractiveness and you're a 6 or a 5 in status, no amount of faithful friendship and support is going to get you in there.
I do have a question though, from the reversed perspective. Say a woman is an 8 on the attractiveness scale. Her eye is firmly on a man at the 10 level on the status ladder. We all know, of course that she could probably a quick fling, apex alphas and sigmas do that sort of thing all the time. But say she wanted something more permanent. Does any amount of faithful friendship and support over the years towards him from her matter? Or do apex alphas and sigmas consider that negligible compared to the difference between 8, 9 or 10 in mate attractiveness?
Jehu -
Jane happens to meet an average looking man, just standing behind the dumpster. He promises her undying loyalty.
She calls the police.
Joe happens to meet an average looking woman, just standing behind the dumpster. She promises him undying loyalty.
He says, "darling, where have you been all my life?".
Yes. Men value loyalty and support far more than women do, because they tend to receive very little, if any, while women simply expect it from all men. Look around you. There are lots of women with more attractive husbands, because the women went all in while the competition sat around waiting for something even better to come along.
Most top-tier men would take a sweet and supportive 8 over a bitchy, pain-in-the-ass 10. But that doesn't mean they'll go for a 6 or 7.
Since most women don't do loyalty, support, or gratitude, the woman who does can really separate herself from the crowd.
Given on the number of collaborations Terry and Neil published.
I hope Rhianna Pratchett doesn't have a story to tell about Neil.
McInerney pivoted to writing about wine and has made an extremely successful side-career out of it. Lucky bastard.
I approve and endorse his decision.
Same. Pursuing a similar pivot.
He's going after a wealthy starlet, but couldn't he easily score a 8-10 who needs the money and likes geek stuff?
I think Gammas tend to be a little like women in their mate selection. They think that if they have some sort of status, their woman also has to have some status (we don't wanna show up with a "bimbo" at a social event, do we?).
The most important fact in any argument over whether someone can do something is "have they done it already?"
Depends on their age, ect
Obviously not.
That last picture just embodies the feeling of getting the ick.
I didn't realize Gaiman wrote Stardust but that makes sense now. I recall people saying the movie was similar to Princess Bride but I found that baffling, as Stadust's Tristan was certainly no Westley. The story is basically a simping manifesto:
-Loser villager declares his love for a woman out of his league, who is clearly not interested.
-He nags her until she agrees to go out with him in exchange for a fallen star, a promise she obviously considers delusional and has no intention of honoring.
-He finds the fallen star which turns out to be a hot babe.
-He brings the star back only to be rejected, but that's okay because "He just wants his love to be happy."
-Watching him get rejected inexplicably causes the star babe to fall in love with him.
-They have a chaste marriage (the star girl can't have kids) and he dies while she lives forever, happy to have known someone so "nice."
Yuck. I couldn't explain my revulsion when I first saw the film, but I realize why now. It might be the most gamma hero ever written.
"They have a chaste marriage (the star girl can't have kids)"
King Caspian of Narnia just facepalmed.
Thank you for keeping from wasting any time on that movie.
Wow, reading that synopsis just destroyed half the favorite novels from my youth. Gamma sci-fi and fantasy all day lol
One of my favorites is Heroes Die by Matthew Stover. Here is an amusing review by Felicia Day referring to it as a "Blast of testosterone in the face" which, from her I'm assuming is a single entendre.
https://www.goodreads.com/review/show/314334743
The sequels are not so good though.
Speaking of novels that lay bare the SSH as discussed in this stack, there are few better than The Great Gatsby
I don't know about the book but the movie Gone with the Wind is pretty much nonstop red pills.
Yeah.
But PKD has managed to avoid that trap.