Point taken. Shut up and listen. "is she actually thinking and speaking for herself, or is she simply parroting the current groupthink that she thinks will give her status with her female peers? ".
the moment a feminist has a kid out of wedlock they start looking for a "partner". Many of which can get her to shift her thinking but onky if they are sufficiently burdened. if the women is independently wealthy then she can ignore the need for help but she in all likelyhood will rid the carousel anyway.
Indeed. Wife was a crunchy hippy. After our sixth date her flatmates were mourning the rise of Trump and how the greatest leader of all time great Obama was stepping down. She interjected that she thought Franco was superior to Obama in leadership quality.
They will flip everything for the right man or for their peer group, many of her other opinions changed when she came into the faith and had a whole new female friend circle. She's still quite crunchy, I don't mind the 100%-locally-sourced-made-from-scratch cooking at all!
My wife claimed to be a feminist when we met. She converted to Catholicism and gave me our first child 11 months after we were married. We now have three great kids and she regularly bewails 'idiot feminists' that have forced women into the world of careerism.
Just be an awesome man and women figure it out and come around.
The thing about women is, we have so many voices telling us who to be, what to do, what to think, that we rarely truly know what WE ourselves want.
We're also pretty risk adverse, and one of the riskiest things a woman can do in today's society is choose to be a wife and stay at home mom. Everybody will tell you how it's a mistake, you're throwing your life away etc., that if the man isn't a rock she can count on to dispel those lies and show its possible she'll believe the lies.
Not all women desire to be a wife or mother, but deep down most of us do. We're just too scared of all the what-ifs to throw caution to the wind and do it. Men need to recognize this fact and gently show the woman that being a wife and mom is the best, most important job a woman could have.
Risk averse coupled with extreme impulsiveness encouraged by others.. Confusing combination. Saw it in my wife and my daughters. Waiting to see it in my granddaughter. Makes for interesting times. Many WTF moments.. You have hit on the paradox each needs to deal with.
The sentence “ This isn’t about honesty, it is much more akin to the essential distinction between rhetoric and dialectic.” is so right on. Took me a long time to figure out my wife and other females over the decades. Too many times I fell into the dialectic mindset trap. I finally got to the point decades ago where unless it’s a literal indisputable fact I treated everything women says as rhetoric. Makes life much easier. Just smile and carry on. Amazingly better. I didn’t have Vox’s’ clear words during that discovery process and I thank Vox for his clear wording on the difference, I took his words on MSM and government inserted below and modified it to women, mea culpa SDL:
Never confuse rhetoric – which is designed to emotionally manipulate – with dialectic. Both the mainstream news and government statements are not dialectic, but rather rhetoric disguised as pseudo-dialectic. And remember that there is neither truth nor falsehood in rhetoric, there is no meaningful information content whatsoever. It may point toward the truth, it may point away from the truth, but it cannot be the truth.
Never confuse rhetoric – which is designed to emotionally manipulate – with dialectic. When women speak it is rarely dialectic, but mostly rhetoric and occasionally rhetoric disguised as pseudo-dialectic. And remember that there is neither truth nor falsehood in rhetoric, there is no meaningful information content whatsoever. It may point toward the what she desires, it may point away from what she desires, but it cannot be the what she really desires as she doesn’t know what she desires.
I think there's a big difference between wanting a husband with kids and wanting to be a stay-at-home mom. Even the Bible says in Proverbs 31 that the ideal wife works and brings money into the house.
Proverbs 31 is about a kings wife. who was born a noble woman and inherited land and money. Its not about commoners. King Lemuels mother giving him advice. Illiterate commoners think this advice is for them. Lol!!!! Do you really want a woman who is giving your money to the poor as the passage says? Because for a modern woman that would means to crackhead immigrants. So if you're looking for a Proverbs 31 woman you're looking to become homeless.
The woman of Proverbs 31 was savy enough to buy and sell land. Home and children come ahead of money, but a virtuous wife includes much more than making jam.
Of course not, but not doing income-generating work at all is not necessarily a virtue. There were no cubicle farms for men in ancient Israel, but doesn't mean men shouldn't work in them either. Proverbs 31 describes the ideal wife doing the same type of work as the man. See verse 16, where she farms a vineyard.
My point is that women only doing housework is not necessarily ideal. I see little wrong with women working, especially if it's part time so that she can focus on the distaff more than she could otherwise. The best thing is for women to pursue marriage and children and put them first, allowing the chips to fall where they may. If she can work while raising kids, then I think she should; but if she finds that it's best to focus solely on the distaff, then she shouldn't sacrifice that for a career. The Bible says that the distaff is a woman's primary duty.
There's nothing wrong with taking a few years off to raise the kids for those first 3-4 years and then getting back into the workforce as they enter grade school. I have heard of many women doing this with little issue. There's a large difference between that and becoming a stay-at-home mom full-time indefinitely, or at least until the kids turn 18.
Your hypothetical is a good one, but I think most people in that situation would unhesitatingly choose their child over their job. If their place of employment is large enough, they might be legally protected in doing so by the FMLA. Otherwise, they can risk getting fired and seeking a new job, especially if their husbands also work. This is a "cross that bridge when we get there" sort of situation, and shouldn't be used to summarily conclude women should not work if they want a family.
Sister chose to be a mom until her kids were juniors in high school, then pursued her nursing degree. So at 40 started her nursing career. While doing that she helped with her grandkids. You can have it all. Just have to be willing to adjust parenting/work schedule over the years.
I've read several anecdotes of women who were vegans, and felt repulsed at the idea of bearing children. When they began eating meat and animal fats, soon they got a strong urge to have babies! This supports my theory that a lack of desire for children can be a sign of poor health. Men, if you were able to convert a vegan girl, her desires might go back to normal! (Of course, it might be a better use of your time to just find someone else.)
It could be biological in nature. If a woman isn't getting enough protein with regularity, it's only natural that the body sends signals that babies are too risky in present circumstances.
If 27 years of mostly happy marriage has taught me anything
It is that women are extremely maleable and run more on feelings than solid facts. Those that insist on what (they want) will simultaneously have no clue where they want to go out to eat and force you to make the decision for them. Don't be scared to lead, they want you to, you'll be respected for it and your woman will adapt and follow as you build reputation consistency and trust with her. It can take some time and work, especially if you've failed to take a leader's role in the past. Don't expect a light switch off/on in every scenario.
What I'd have given to have a resource like this site in my late teens/early 20's.
Hopefully all decent woman will eventually reject the programming and desire children and family. All real men will want children and will want to continue their genetic lines. You can’t be high status and be a genetic dead end.
A younger gal-pal of mine proclaimed on social media, “I only date men who wear eyeliner.” She had been watching a The Killers video and thought the lead singer was hot. A Bravo who was going to ask her out saw her proclamation. He thought it odd, but asked her out anyway.
They are married and have children now. She never did date a man with eyeliner.
Yeah. I've been seeing Vance's youtube commercials begging for money. No amount of beard could hide his feminine features or the fact that he was wearing "guyliner".
Point taken. Shut up and listen. "is she actually thinking and speaking for herself, or is she simply parroting the current groupthink that she thinks will give her status with her female peers? ".
the moment a feminist has a kid out of wedlock they start looking for a "partner". Many of which can get her to shift her thinking but onky if they are sufficiently burdened. if the women is independently wealthy then she can ignore the need for help but she in all likelyhood will rid the carousel anyway.
A lot of women I think are being honest... but about what they feel in the moment. If their feelings change, their version of the truth changes.
You hit that nail on the head
Indeed. Wife was a crunchy hippy. After our sixth date her flatmates were mourning the rise of Trump and how the greatest leader of all time great Obama was stepping down. She interjected that she thought Franco was superior to Obama in leadership quality.
They will flip everything for the right man or for their peer group, many of her other opinions changed when she came into the faith and had a whole new female friend circle. She's still quite crunchy, I don't mind the 100%-locally-sourced-made-from-scratch cooking at all!
My wife claimed to be a feminist when we met. She converted to Catholicism and gave me our first child 11 months after we were married. We now have three great kids and she regularly bewails 'idiot feminists' that have forced women into the world of careerism.
Just be an awesome man and women figure it out and come around.
100% true. Example:
1st date with my now-wife:
Her - "I don't think I want to be married again, and I definitely don't want more kids."
Me - "Uh huh"
3rd date with my now-wife:
Her - "I guess marriage would be fine, but I'm just too old to have more kids."
Me - "Uh huh"
5th date with my now-wife:
Her - "Marriage sounds good, and I can't stop thinking about having more kids. I'd love to have more babies!"
Me, in my mind - "They always come around."
A few years later we are married with twin babies, planning on the next baby.
Gold. I hope Sigma Game the book includes the Hypergamouse cartoons. They really communicate a whole lot very effectively.
(I may start showing my all-female college classes some of the Hypergamouse cartoons.)
Separate book, but supposed to be a companion to Sigma Game
Absolutely concur. The cartoons reach deeply at a subliminal level.
The thing about women is, we have so many voices telling us who to be, what to do, what to think, that we rarely truly know what WE ourselves want.
We're also pretty risk adverse, and one of the riskiest things a woman can do in today's society is choose to be a wife and stay at home mom. Everybody will tell you how it's a mistake, you're throwing your life away etc., that if the man isn't a rock she can count on to dispel those lies and show its possible she'll believe the lies.
Not all women desire to be a wife or mother, but deep down most of us do. We're just too scared of all the what-ifs to throw caution to the wind and do it. Men need to recognize this fact and gently show the woman that being a wife and mom is the best, most important job a woman could have.
Risk averse coupled with extreme impulsiveness encouraged by others.. Confusing combination. Saw it in my wife and my daughters. Waiting to see it in my granddaughter. Makes for interesting times. Many WTF moments.. You have hit on the paradox each needs to deal with.
The sentence “ This isn’t about honesty, it is much more akin to the essential distinction between rhetoric and dialectic.” is so right on. Took me a long time to figure out my wife and other females over the decades. Too many times I fell into the dialectic mindset trap. I finally got to the point decades ago where unless it’s a literal indisputable fact I treated everything women says as rhetoric. Makes life much easier. Just smile and carry on. Amazingly better. I didn’t have Vox’s’ clear words during that discovery process and I thank Vox for his clear wording on the difference, I took his words on MSM and government inserted below and modified it to women, mea culpa SDL:
Never confuse rhetoric – which is designed to emotionally manipulate – with dialectic. Both the mainstream news and government statements are not dialectic, but rather rhetoric disguised as pseudo-dialectic. And remember that there is neither truth nor falsehood in rhetoric, there is no meaningful information content whatsoever. It may point toward the truth, it may point away from the truth, but it cannot be the truth.
Never confuse rhetoric – which is designed to emotionally manipulate – with dialectic. When women speak it is rarely dialectic, but mostly rhetoric and occasionally rhetoric disguised as pseudo-dialectic. And remember that there is neither truth nor falsehood in rhetoric, there is no meaningful information content whatsoever. It may point toward the what she desires, it may point away from what she desires, but it cannot be the what she really desires as she doesn’t know what she desires.
I think there's a big difference between wanting a husband with kids and wanting to be a stay-at-home mom. Even the Bible says in Proverbs 31 that the ideal wife works and brings money into the house.
Proverbs 31 is about a kings wife. who was born a noble woman and inherited land and money. Its not about commoners. King Lemuels mother giving him advice. Illiterate commoners think this advice is for them. Lol!!!! Do you really want a woman who is giving your money to the poor as the passage says? Because for a modern woman that would means to crackhead immigrants. So if you're looking for a Proverbs 31 woman you're looking to become homeless.
The ancient Jews didn’t have cubicle farms. That ideal wife was most likely akin to an Amish woman making and selling jam out of the house.
The woman of Proverbs 31 was savy enough to buy and sell land. Home and children come ahead of money, but a virtuous wife includes much more than making jam.
Of course not, but not doing income-generating work at all is not necessarily a virtue. There were no cubicle farms for men in ancient Israel, but doesn't mean men shouldn't work in them either. Proverbs 31 describes the ideal wife doing the same type of work as the man. See verse 16, where she farms a vineyard.
My point is that women only doing housework is not necessarily ideal. I see little wrong with women working, especially if it's part time so that she can focus on the distaff more than she could otherwise. The best thing is for women to pursue marriage and children and put them first, allowing the chips to fall where they may. If she can work while raising kids, then I think she should; but if she finds that it's best to focus solely on the distaff, then she shouldn't sacrifice that for a career. The Bible says that the distaff is a woman's primary duty.
> If she can work while raising kids, then I think she should
I view it a little differently.
If she needs a break from the duties of child raising and wants work to be that break then it's ok if she works.
At the same time it's also fine if she wants that break to be brunch with her friends.
Once you have 3+ children you can easily fill the days with valuable "homemaking".
Your wife volunteering at your kids school is far more important than her working in a cubicle.
> There were no cubicle farms for men in ancient Israel, but doesn't mean men shouldn't work in them either.
The work itself is in large part nonsense.
The virtue to working in a cubicle farm is being able to support your family.
There's nothing wrong with taking a few years off to raise the kids for those first 3-4 years and then getting back into the workforce as they enter grade school. I have heard of many women doing this with little issue. There's a large difference between that and becoming a stay-at-home mom full-time indefinitely, or at least until the kids turn 18.
Your hypothetical is a good one, but I think most people in that situation would unhesitatingly choose their child over their job. If their place of employment is large enough, they might be legally protected in doing so by the FMLA. Otherwise, they can risk getting fired and seeking a new job, especially if their husbands also work. This is a "cross that bridge when we get there" sort of situation, and shouldn't be used to summarily conclude women should not work if they want a family.
Going back into the workforce means abandoning children to school and everything that goes with it.
If you desire non-trans/fotm sexuality intelligent unvaxxed kids, then summarily conclude women should not work outside the home.
> but I think most people in that situation would unhesitatingly choose their child over their job.
No they wouldn't. Most parents send their kid to school or daycare even when sick because they have work.
Do you have evidence of this? It has not been my lived or observed experience at all.
Sister chose to be a mom until her kids were juniors in high school, then pursued her nursing degree. So at 40 started her nursing career. While doing that she helped with her grandkids. You can have it all. Just have to be willing to adjust parenting/work schedule over the years.
I've read several anecdotes of women who were vegans, and felt repulsed at the idea of bearing children. When they began eating meat and animal fats, soon they got a strong urge to have babies! This supports my theory that a lack of desire for children can be a sign of poor health. Men, if you were able to convert a vegan girl, her desires might go back to normal! (Of course, it might be a better use of your time to just find someone else.)
It could be biological in nature. If a woman isn't getting enough protein with regularity, it's only natural that the body sends signals that babies are too risky in present circumstances.
If 27 years of mostly happy marriage has taught me anything
It is that women are extremely maleable and run more on feelings than solid facts. Those that insist on what (they want) will simultaneously have no clue where they want to go out to eat and force you to make the decision for them. Don't be scared to lead, they want you to, you'll be respected for it and your woman will adapt and follow as you build reputation consistency and trust with her. It can take some time and work, especially if you've failed to take a leader's role in the past. Don't expect a light switch off/on in every scenario.
What I'd have given to have a resource like this site in my late teens/early 20's.
Me too. Where was this blog in 1992?
Or in the 1970s. Would have avoided me a lot a of aggravation and frustration.
Hopefully all decent woman will eventually reject the programming and desire children and family. All real men will want children and will want to continue their genetic lines. You can’t be high status and be a genetic dead end.
"Women don't want to win. They want a winner."
- Patrice O'Neal.
A younger gal-pal of mine proclaimed on social media, “I only date men who wear eyeliner.” She had been watching a The Killers video and thought the lead singer was hot. A Bravo who was going to ask her out saw her proclamation. He thought it odd, but asked her out anyway.
They are married and have children now. She never did date a man with eyeliner.
I wonder if a girl or two told JD Vance that and he took it seriously.
Yeah. I've been seeing Vance's youtube commercials begging for money. No amount of beard could hide his feminine features or the fact that he was wearing "guyliner".
I don’t think he wears eyeliner, I think he just has long eyelashes.