It's so helpful to communicate with men in writing when trying to identify a Gamma. ;) (Who TF that's not a woman uses winky face emoji's besides a gamma?) Oh and the parenthesis too...[like inner thoughts to their written dialogue.] Alright I'll stop poking fun. It becomes obvious in writing as they tweak things to try and come across a certain way. Unfortunately that certain way is very teenage girl on Tumblr in the 2010's. They usually don't talk out loud the way they write, so it speaks to a dishonesty and neuroticism with how they want to come across in writing, where they can't so easily deny what they said. Really glad for some of these men that they are aware or becoming aware of what's going on.
Honestly, the more I read from the posts, the more convinced I am that the gamma male exhibits behaviors that are indistinguishable from a covert narcissist. These traits are potentially attractive in a woman as it can trigger a protection reaction from certain males, but in a male, those traits would seem to only create a deep loathing for the weakness on display.
I stopped reading after "sort of like how a leper uses a VSE (visual surveillance of extremities) to check for bodily injury that otherwise go undetected . . ."
But I'm still laughing. Maybe inadvertent humor should be added to the list of Gamma tells.
The easiest gamma tell is their offensive projection. They will attribute motives, theories, etc... so far out in left field, they could only come from their own fears. So it is also where they tell you their Achilles heel.
Gammas concern themselves with winning a game that their "opponent" doesn't even know exists, even if they could be bothered to "compete" or learn the "rules".
In those last two quotes, the pattern was evident in the first 1-2 sentences and beyond doubt by the third. The tip-off feeling was a combination of rolled eyes and the thought "I'm not reading all this, nerd".
VD's `The Single Most Important Piece of Advice to Improve Your Life` as in "Shut Up' has been rather helpful, to put it mildly. I listen to the dark streams, but never catch them live. I now have a mental model that says it is NORMAL for people not to care about what others think. I wish I learned that earlier in life.
It has to a surprising degree changed the emotions and triggers in me. Now I mostly expect others not to care one iota about what I think. I know that has nothing to do with me. No wonder they all either got vaxxed or didn't get vaxxed irrespective of what they heard from me, because they can't take info from people in their circle. It seems it is very difficult for most people's ego to get advice or info from friends or family. I have picked all of my brothers brains to my benefit, but apparently few can do that, and I now see that as normal, at least in my circle. So I don't get butt-hurt when they 'roll' over me in conversation, now I know it is just their ego dancing, and all I have to do is shut up and be at peace. I can listen to what they have to say so at least I know where they are coming from, listening is quite easy and relaxing.
I have had trouble with the feeling of responsibility. Esp. when I knew the vax was dangerous, but apparently 'they' didn't. Already back then I learned to just give a single warning to each person, see the reaction, and pull back if I noticed lack of interest. I still find that hard to accept, but as VD has taught me about the Gamma (via blogs and UATv), they want to control other peoples lives where it is obviously NONE of their business. Me pushing my belief would obviously amount to the same. It is their life, their choice. The vax is just the clearest such example in my life, but the topic could be anything. It is not my business to save the them from their life, and I cannot make it mine. I can only do that with my wife and children, and even there I cannot use force but just use that we talk a lot, so it is easier to share knowledge, even if facebook scared the crap out of my wife wrt covid.
Apparently I have also noticed, when I shut up more and accept they have their opinions and avoid debating them at all, then they some times start listening. Funny that.
I would be very interested in hearing others experience with sharing among their circle? Like red-pilling or just basically sharing stuff that goes counter to what they already know. In my experience people mostly listen and adjust their internal map-of-the-world when reading newspapers or online blogs etc.
In comments to this, please don't open the topic of the vax as in bad/not-bad, true/false. Let's stay on the topic of behavior and learning better human interaction. If you think I'm crazy wrt. to the vax, just let me stay crazy.
The gamma wall of text is mocked in zoomer internet culture with sped up GIFs of television characters talking incessantly. It really gets to the heart of how normal people experience them.
In regards to people that have both Delta and Gamma traits, what distinguishes the Delta with minor Gamma tendencies from the Gamma with minor Delta tendencies?
Is average societal perception the best classification heuristic?
I don't run into many gammas irl, but I remember something that happened on Discord that made me realize something about them. I had just joined a psychology server and some guy DM'd me asking me to introduce myself as well as 3 or 4 other questions that would've taken me several paragraphs to respond to. I thought it was weird considering I had just joined the server. Why would I invest that much time? Furthermore, it was a DM, meaning he would be the only one seeing it. It didn't make any sense to me. And of course I later found out he was a gamma.
Anyway, the point is that it made me realize that gammas don't understand the concept of "bringing value". They're not useful to the group and just want to put themselves in low-key authoritative positions in order to feed whatever delusions they have about themselves.
I follow SG for insight and both appreciate the struggle and am saddened by what many men experience, particularly in the dating world.
In addition, the gamma writing style analysis is a helpful reminder as I compose work correspondence. I strive for brevity and do not explain. That said, I am thankful that women generally receive a pass on their writing style. Including the use of parentheticals and emojis.
Editing to clarify:
My belief that women often receive a pass on their use of emojis and parenthetics is confined to private social interactions such as texts between men and women. I would never suggest a female author be judged differently than a male author. Regardless of the audience, public or private, bad writing is bad writing.
Something to think about: Can anyone read these comments and not recognize a toxic woman they know?
Womanhood is extraordinarily toxic in clownworld. I know that mantra is WRE, yet there are those old enough to remember older times and other women; or live in throwback homeschool communities with likeable women and a network of female social support*.
What if gamma males are *better* in places where women are content and godlier? What if the SSH is based on how womanlike the man's social character is?
It's so helpful to communicate with men in writing when trying to identify a Gamma. ;) (Who TF that's not a woman uses winky face emoji's besides a gamma?) Oh and the parenthesis too...[like inner thoughts to their written dialogue.] Alright I'll stop poking fun. It becomes obvious in writing as they tweak things to try and come across a certain way. Unfortunately that certain way is very teenage girl on Tumblr in the 2010's. They usually don't talk out loud the way they write, so it speaks to a dishonesty and neuroticism with how they want to come across in writing, where they can't so easily deny what they said. Really glad for some of these men that they are aware or becoming aware of what's going on.
Honestly, the more I read from the posts, the more convinced I am that the gamma male exhibits behaviors that are indistinguishable from a covert narcissist. These traits are potentially attractive in a woman as it can trigger a protection reaction from certain males, but in a male, those traits would seem to only create a deep loathing for the weakness on display.
I stopped reading after "sort of like how a leper uses a VSE (visual surveillance of extremities) to check for bodily injury that otherwise go undetected . . ."
But I'm still laughing. Maybe inadvertent humor should be added to the list of Gamma tells.
The easiest gamma tell is their offensive projection. They will attribute motives, theories, etc... so far out in left field, they could only come from their own fears. So it is also where they tell you their Achilles heel.
Gammas concern themselves with winning a game that their "opponent" doesn't even know exists, even if they could be bothered to "compete" or learn the "rules".
In those last two quotes, the pattern was evident in the first 1-2 sentences and beyond doubt by the third. The tip-off feeling was a combination of rolled eyes and the thought "I'm not reading all this, nerd".
There are going to be comments of the week? I'd better up my game!
VD's `The Single Most Important Piece of Advice to Improve Your Life` as in "Shut Up' has been rather helpful, to put it mildly. I listen to the dark streams, but never catch them live. I now have a mental model that says it is NORMAL for people not to care about what others think. I wish I learned that earlier in life.
It has to a surprising degree changed the emotions and triggers in me. Now I mostly expect others not to care one iota about what I think. I know that has nothing to do with me. No wonder they all either got vaxxed or didn't get vaxxed irrespective of what they heard from me, because they can't take info from people in their circle. It seems it is very difficult for most people's ego to get advice or info from friends or family. I have picked all of my brothers brains to my benefit, but apparently few can do that, and I now see that as normal, at least in my circle. So I don't get butt-hurt when they 'roll' over me in conversation, now I know it is just their ego dancing, and all I have to do is shut up and be at peace. I can listen to what they have to say so at least I know where they are coming from, listening is quite easy and relaxing.
I have had trouble with the feeling of responsibility. Esp. when I knew the vax was dangerous, but apparently 'they' didn't. Already back then I learned to just give a single warning to each person, see the reaction, and pull back if I noticed lack of interest. I still find that hard to accept, but as VD has taught me about the Gamma (via blogs and UATv), they want to control other peoples lives where it is obviously NONE of their business. Me pushing my belief would obviously amount to the same. It is their life, their choice. The vax is just the clearest such example in my life, but the topic could be anything. It is not my business to save the them from their life, and I cannot make it mine. I can only do that with my wife and children, and even there I cannot use force but just use that we talk a lot, so it is easier to share knowledge, even if facebook scared the crap out of my wife wrt covid.
Apparently I have also noticed, when I shut up more and accept they have their opinions and avoid debating them at all, then they some times start listening. Funny that.
I would be very interested in hearing others experience with sharing among their circle? Like red-pilling or just basically sharing stuff that goes counter to what they already know. In my experience people mostly listen and adjust their internal map-of-the-world when reading newspapers or online blogs etc.
In comments to this, please don't open the topic of the vax as in bad/not-bad, true/false. Let's stay on the topic of behavior and learning better human interaction. If you think I'm crazy wrt. to the vax, just let me stay crazy.
The gamma wall of text is mocked in zoomer internet culture with sped up GIFs of television characters talking incessantly. It really gets to the heart of how normal people experience them.
In regards to people that have both Delta and Gamma traits, what distinguishes the Delta with minor Gamma tendencies from the Gamma with minor Delta tendencies?
Is average societal perception the best classification heuristic?
I had always assumed gammas were using rule violations as an excuse to ankle bite when it looks like they do care about the rules.
One reason for gammas being viewed so negatively especially in the workplace is gammas continually get involved in other people's business.
Deltas on the other hand ignore 90% of what is going on around them in an organization.
I don't run into many gammas irl, but I remember something that happened on Discord that made me realize something about them. I had just joined a psychology server and some guy DM'd me asking me to introduce myself as well as 3 or 4 other questions that would've taken me several paragraphs to respond to. I thought it was weird considering I had just joined the server. Why would I invest that much time? Furthermore, it was a DM, meaning he would be the only one seeing it. It didn't make any sense to me. And of course I later found out he was a gamma.
Anyway, the point is that it made me realize that gammas don't understand the concept of "bringing value". They're not useful to the group and just want to put themselves in low-key authoritative positions in order to feed whatever delusions they have about themselves.
I follow SG for insight and both appreciate the struggle and am saddened by what many men experience, particularly in the dating world.
In addition, the gamma writing style analysis is a helpful reminder as I compose work correspondence. I strive for brevity and do not explain. That said, I am thankful that women generally receive a pass on their writing style. Including the use of parentheticals and emojis.
Editing to clarify:
My belief that women often receive a pass on their use of emojis and parenthetics is confined to private social interactions such as texts between men and women. I would never suggest a female author be judged differently than a male author. Regardless of the audience, public or private, bad writing is bad writing.
How does one type that much text and then hit send??? Just zero self-reflection.
And VD is demonstrating "When Sigma takes interest in something he throws out some of his own rules."
They are more "guidelines" anyway.
Something to think about: Can anyone read these comments and not recognize a toxic woman they know?
Womanhood is extraordinarily toxic in clownworld. I know that mantra is WRE, yet there are those old enough to remember older times and other women; or live in throwback homeschool communities with likeable women and a network of female social support*.
What if gamma males are *better* in places where women are content and godlier? What if the SSH is based on how womanlike the man's social character is?