The bodybuilding cartoon is hilarious; missed that one from Stonetoss! It's true, also.
A bodybuilder on a forum I frequented once noticed something unusual regarding female attention. During pre-competition phases of training where he'd get even more pumped than usual, the only women who noticed this and found it favorable were the older, cougar types. Younger, more fertile and desirable women didn't notice or care a whit about his musculature generally nor his periods of peak gym bro bod. If he was doing it for the women, it definitely wouldn't be worth it.
If a woman's interest fades very quickly into a conversation I'd figure that either your mannerisms are off-putting or you're treating a conversation at face value when you really shouldn't be. IMO women like to be subtle when signaling, so if they're resorting to overt shows of interest they're probably already plenty frustrated with you. Learn body language to both be able to read signs of attraction in a women as well as be able to ensure your body posturing isn't weird. When conversing make sure you're attempting to draw her into your frame not enter hers. Don't be easy.
As for the cultivating of interests I have the same issue. New and exciting becomes familiar and boring in rapid succession. I've generally considered it an Omega trait and considered it an explanation as to why they're so difficult to motivate.
If you are a Gamma and bored, it might be because you are being relentlessly negative.
Its often a self-defence mechanism and an imitation of status to think and say that things aren't cool enough or good enough, which stops you from finding the fun or the enjoyment in pretty much anything.
Its much better to just choose something and look for the fun in it, rather than judge everything in the hope you'll find something perfect.
Owen Cook may be a good example of someone overcoming his gammahood and becoming a truly high status person. He was in law school when he dropped out to become a full-time pua. He also has extremely funny, biting sense of humor. Great dude.
One valuable lesson my mother taught me was the principle of "learning to be bored." That is, stepping back from work, entertainment, busyness, and other stimuli to force yourself to be creative and do cool things. Being a Gen X'er, that was commonplace for her as a kid. As a Gen Z'er, it's a skill I'm still trying to hone. But the days when I spent less time on social media and more time out in the world at coffee shops, parks, and public events were always the days when I came home with interesting things to talk about.
My best poems came to me on days when I wandered around in the woods, seeking the Beautiful, rather than trying to find it through a screen.
Are gammas so repulsive to women that they are incapable of interacting with them casually or in a work setting without setting off a lady's alarm bells? Is this too extreme of an understanding or is this correct?
It's the other way around. Gamma are repulsive to women *because* they are incapable of interacting casually. Every comment is a tacky double entendre whether it's a movie quote or their own bon mots.
Imagine a scenario where I don't listen to clear and simple words, I don't accept that someone else is more experienced in the subject, I'm more confident than I should be, and others have quit being patient with me. That's when everyone else believes that getting hit is the best thing for me and everyone else. And someone might be waiting with the usual first aid kits. When they don't forget my name and number.
"Okay, moron. You go do you, and we will start betting on how many bruises you need to collect to be responsive and open to words again."
It's Vox's way of saying "F*ck around and find out." Those who aren't smart enough to find out without f*cking around will, unfortunately, have to find out indeed.
Regarding the last suggestion - doing things. I'd suggest you make sure that these are a combination of things that that both she can come to, but that she absolutely CANNOT join, and cannot be rescheduled.
What this does is help you organize your life so that you have things that take priority over any girl. You and your friends are important, and fun, and should do interesting things that she can talk about. An all male book club, hunting, nights smoking cigars and whiskey tasting, whatever - all male spaces, that she can't get into. Emphasize with your friends that anyone that violates this is out.
This helps get a balance between the absolute drive of pedestalizing a woman that Deltas/Gammas can do, and inviting them along for the ride that the other things - such as plays, operas, walks, zoos, hikes, etc, that you may choose. It gives you time to seek yourself, to seek God, to seek virtue, to build upon yourself.
Because, at the end of the day - you need to hold a woman's attention for life. It may start with a coffee date, and it always does, but if you can't keep surprising your wife with thoughts that you have, experiences that you've had with the men, etc - then it starts going down hill.
I used to go to the Opera. I lived in a town where there was Opera. We went as a group. It was great. Moving closer to where there is opera, will have to discuss with the wife. When we have got over the financial hit of the move.
My friends and I used to give advice to guys like this and it would always fall flat or be completely misused. It's only later on that we realized these guys lacked basic fundamentals which we couldn't even conceive someone could lack. My friend had to explain basic empathy to this fella, only for him to reply with "Ah I see, empathy is (scoffs) is how we get what we want from people. I see why this is useful even though I don't care about the small minded people and their small problems". This is baffling when you realize it's not a joke.
Good grief! Gammas must be some of the most obtuse people out there! What a way of inverting the meaning of empathy. But, I suppose for a person who doesn't have empathy and doesn't understand it it might seem like simple emotional manipulation when observed from the outside.
I think they understand it. I mean they cry and complain a lot . I'm not sure how that works?? They seem to have a very "rule based" mind that's filled with the endless need to posture. Side note, I introduced my best friend to an mmo, first time he ever played this stuff apart from singleplayer rpgs. We join a guild and he asks me " why are these 30 year old guys asking people what to say to their very attractive gf ?". I told him , it's a indirect way of bragging. They want us to know that they have a gf. He asks "Why?". This is the moment you realize how strange it is that I'm used to these shenanigans and that if I tell my irl friends about this they just wouldn't believe me unless they see it in action.
Trust me, they are. They don't grok that knowledge is nothing without love. They are clanging gongs and clashing cymbals. The question is now many social skills they have to disguise this.
I prefer Omegas. They don't have social skills, they know it, and they respect anyone who will give them time.
I'm a sigma, and I've never had an interest in approaching a woman who hadn't shown some interest in me, however subtle...I don't see how it can work unless you're a very handsome alpha..but also, I'm just not that interested....
My sigma friend only approached women who were interesting to him or unusually standoffish. He very much liked 'ice queens' who viscerally repelled everyone because he was curious as to how to get past their defenses to see what was behind them. He said they were generally very vulnerable people past the exterior, which is usually why they set up their standoffish shell.
He ended up getting married to a woman who was visually interesting to him and had no idea he was even there. Complete cold approach with her on her phone/earbuds, zero-to-lifelong relationship.
All that to say the woman's interest level had nothing to do with my friend's willingness to approach. Only his own interest level mattered to him, though obviously he'd take into account the logistics of the interaction.
"3. How to get some actual interests - I know this one sounds retarted, I just find everything to be boring, as in I can't really enjoy my free time. Is this symptom of Gammatude as well?"
It is not necessarily a sign of Gamma, but the "I am bored because things are so easy for me." is a hallmark of Gamma.
However, it is a sign of low status. High status men generally do not have enough time to pursue every project they would like and I have never seen one complain about boredom. Look at Dark Lord, all the things he does do not come without effort.
The bodybuilding cartoon is hilarious; missed that one from Stonetoss! It's true, also.
A bodybuilder on a forum I frequented once noticed something unusual regarding female attention. During pre-competition phases of training where he'd get even more pumped than usual, the only women who noticed this and found it favorable were the older, cougar types. Younger, more fertile and desirable women didn't notice or care a whit about his musculature generally nor his periods of peak gym bro bod. If he was doing it for the women, it definitely wouldn't be worth it.
Regarding boredom; anyone who said they were bored in my mother's house washed windows. With vinegar and newsprint.
Try it, my mother was never wrong.
I learned to never be bored as a child. Similarly, my mother said I could clean my room if I was bored.
If a woman's interest fades very quickly into a conversation I'd figure that either your mannerisms are off-putting or you're treating a conversation at face value when you really shouldn't be. IMO women like to be subtle when signaling, so if they're resorting to overt shows of interest they're probably already plenty frustrated with you. Learn body language to both be able to read signs of attraction in a women as well as be able to ensure your body posturing isn't weird. When conversing make sure you're attempting to draw her into your frame not enter hers. Don't be easy.
As for the cultivating of interests I have the same issue. New and exciting becomes familiar and boring in rapid succession. I've generally considered it an Omega trait and considered it an explanation as to why they're so difficult to motivate.
If you are a Gamma and bored, it might be because you are being relentlessly negative.
Its often a self-defence mechanism and an imitation of status to think and say that things aren't cool enough or good enough, which stops you from finding the fun or the enjoyment in pretty much anything.
Its much better to just choose something and look for the fun in it, rather than judge everything in the hope you'll find something perfect.
Owen Cook may be a good example of someone overcoming his gammahood and becoming a truly high status person. He was in law school when he dropped out to become a full-time pua. He also has extremely funny, biting sense of humor. Great dude.
One valuable lesson my mother taught me was the principle of "learning to be bored." That is, stepping back from work, entertainment, busyness, and other stimuli to force yourself to be creative and do cool things. Being a Gen X'er, that was commonplace for her as a kid. As a Gen Z'er, it's a skill I'm still trying to hone. But the days when I spent less time on social media and more time out in the world at coffee shops, parks, and public events were always the days when I came home with interesting things to talk about.
My best poems came to me on days when I wandered around in the woods, seeking the Beautiful, rather than trying to find it through a screen.
Are gammas so repulsive to women that they are incapable of interacting with them casually or in a work setting without setting off a lady's alarm bells? Is this too extreme of an understanding or is this correct?
It's the other way around. Gamma are repulsive to women *because* they are incapable of interacting casually. Every comment is a tacky double entendre whether it's a movie quote or their own bon mots.
"Regarding this suggestion, I answer: Go for it. Do it, and let us know how it works out for you."
So...is this like tough love, to be brutally honest, cold, and blunt while smiling?
Imagine a scenario where I don't listen to clear and simple words, I don't accept that someone else is more experienced in the subject, I'm more confident than I should be, and others have quit being patient with me. That's when everyone else believes that getting hit is the best thing for me and everyone else. And someone might be waiting with the usual first aid kits. When they don't forget my name and number.
"Okay, moron. You go do you, and we will start betting on how many bruises you need to collect to be responsive and open to words again."
It's Vox's way of saying "F*ck around and find out." Those who aren't smart enough to find out without f*cking around will, unfortunately, have to find out indeed.
Regarding the last suggestion - doing things. I'd suggest you make sure that these are a combination of things that that both she can come to, but that she absolutely CANNOT join, and cannot be rescheduled.
What this does is help you organize your life so that you have things that take priority over any girl. You and your friends are important, and fun, and should do interesting things that she can talk about. An all male book club, hunting, nights smoking cigars and whiskey tasting, whatever - all male spaces, that she can't get into. Emphasize with your friends that anyone that violates this is out.
This helps get a balance between the absolute drive of pedestalizing a woman that Deltas/Gammas can do, and inviting them along for the ride that the other things - such as plays, operas, walks, zoos, hikes, etc, that you may choose. It gives you time to seek yourself, to seek God, to seek virtue, to build upon yourself.
Because, at the end of the day - you need to hold a woman's attention for life. It may start with a coffee date, and it always does, but if you can't keep surprising your wife with thoughts that you have, experiences that you've had with the men, etc - then it starts going down hill.
Never be boring. Never be a tame lion.
I used to go to the Opera. I lived in a town where there was Opera. We went as a group. It was great. Moving closer to where there is opera, will have to discuss with the wife. When we have got over the financial hit of the move.
If you're bored, it's because you're boring.
My friends and I used to give advice to guys like this and it would always fall flat or be completely misused. It's only later on that we realized these guys lacked basic fundamentals which we couldn't even conceive someone could lack. My friend had to explain basic empathy to this fella, only for him to reply with "Ah I see, empathy is (scoffs) is how we get what we want from people. I see why this is useful even though I don't care about the small minded people and their small problems". This is baffling when you realize it's not a joke.
"empathy is how we get what we want from people"
Good grief! Gammas must be some of the most obtuse people out there! What a way of inverting the meaning of empathy. But, I suppose for a person who doesn't have empathy and doesn't understand it it might seem like simple emotional manipulation when observed from the outside.
I think they understand it. I mean they cry and complain a lot . I'm not sure how that works?? They seem to have a very "rule based" mind that's filled with the endless need to posture. Side note, I introduced my best friend to an mmo, first time he ever played this stuff apart from singleplayer rpgs. We join a guild and he asks me " why are these 30 year old guys asking people what to say to their very attractive gf ?". I told him , it's a indirect way of bragging. They want us to know that they have a gf. He asks "Why?". This is the moment you realize how strange it is that I'm used to these shenanigans and that if I tell my irl friends about this they just wouldn't believe me unless they see it in action.
Trust me, they are. They don't grok that knowledge is nothing without love. They are clanging gongs and clashing cymbals. The question is now many social skills they have to disguise this.
I prefer Omegas. They don't have social skills, they know it, and they respect anyone who will give them time.
Omega is raw potential, as Vox once wrote. Gamma is a broken dead end.
"There must be a way to show kindness and avoid judging someone we may suspect is a Gamma male"
The same way in which you would show kindness and lack of judgement to anyone who is struggling their way through their short existence on this Earth.
Sure, they're likely far more annoying than most everyone else, but that just means you'll have to dig a little deeper. You like a challenge, right?
I'm a sigma, and I've never had an interest in approaching a woman who hadn't shown some interest in me, however subtle...I don't see how it can work unless you're a very handsome alpha..but also, I'm just not that interested....
My sigma friend only approached women who were interesting to him or unusually standoffish. He very much liked 'ice queens' who viscerally repelled everyone because he was curious as to how to get past their defenses to see what was behind them. He said they were generally very vulnerable people past the exterior, which is usually why they set up their standoffish shell.
He ended up getting married to a woman who was visually interesting to him and had no idea he was even there. Complete cold approach with her on her phone/earbuds, zero-to-lifelong relationship.
All that to say the woman's interest level had nothing to do with my friend's willingness to approach. Only his own interest level mattered to him, though obviously he'd take into account the logistics of the interaction.
"Erm I'm the real sigma!" ☝️🤓
Pretty sure a Sigma would never choose the handle “Pyrrhus”.
"I am Sigma."
- Gamma
Many such cases
Note to self, drink lightly and pee before the show. Poor girl!
"3. How to get some actual interests - I know this one sounds retarted, I just find everything to be boring, as in I can't really enjoy my free time. Is this symptom of Gammatude as well?"
It is not necessarily a sign of Gamma, but the "I am bored because things are so easy for me." is a hallmark of Gamma.
However, it is a sign of low status. High status men generally do not have enough time to pursue every project they would like and I have never seen one complain about boredom. Look at Dark Lord, all the things he does do not come without effort.
I wish there were 36 hours in the day. I could use the extra 12.
Never felt this way till i had kids