My brother in law recently got a big bad dose of this with his now ex-girlfriend and her friend. They hadn't been together very long, the ex was moving closer to the friend and for some reason, this friend instantly had it out for him and hammed it up so bad the girl ghosted him ending the relationship.
This is a normal aspect of women, I myself tossed my husband (then boyfriend) into my friend group for their first impressions. I was mostly interested in what the two married couples thought of him. They all got along, so I knew it wasn't that I had a blind spot for red flags, he just didn't have any. It's totally normal for a woman to rely on the assessment of others, it's just a matter if those others have good judgement and aren't actually out to destroy things.
Outside of the subject but regarding the SSH do you think that Gammas prey on deltas like they prey on women? I was thinking about that rewatching breaking bad, Walter seems to be a Gamma preying on a Delta Jesse Pinkman.
Jesse wanted to leave many many times since the start (for wrong reasons at times) but Walter always manipulated him to stay around.
Perhaps. If the Gamma isn’t content with simply imagining himself as the secret king, and the Delta isn’t under the supervision of a high-status man to back him up, the Gamma may seek to manipulate lower-status men if he believes he can get away with it.
Walter definitely has a lot of Gamma tendencies in that show. Smart boy syndrome etc. Which is why he was such a fun villain to watch imo.
Not a role model at all, but entertaining the see a character arc spiral from decent guy to organized criminal.
Kinda the opposite of Tony Soprano although they remind me of each other. Felt like the Sopranos inspired Breaking Bad with the villainous protagonist who is relatable
This is exactly why men should abandon the PUA route and seek to build genuine relationships with women instead. Not only do most men have zero Game, trying to force relationships that wouldn’t naturally form anyway is a recipe for disaster. If the man stops asking for female attention like a simp and simply acts normal and friendly without expecting a woman’s number in return, soon he’ll have a network of women who could possibly introduce him to someone he has a shot with.
Puais fake and gay. Game isnt. Meeting a lot of womeb isnt going to help if you never develop the skills to talk to them. The old heartiste game stuff is gold. It still takes practice
The only examples of male-female friendship I've seen have been between high SSH men, and women whom are off-limits for some reason. Either they know they wouldn't be good together, or they are the spouse of a friend.
I don't think the vast majority of men are capable of being merely friends with a girl, or vice versa. The woman will either want an orbiter, or a relationship, 99% of the time.
"Not only do most men have zero Game"
They have zero game, because it was not needed to this extent ever before. They may as well learn how to move in the modern world.
"trying to force relationships that wouldn’t naturally form anyway is a recipe for disaster"
A dude who can't even talk to chicks has gotta start somewhere.
How do you honestly expect these guys, who've been treated like defective girls their whole lives, to "build genuine relationships with women"?
I agree. Perhaps I should have specified being “friendly” does not imply friendship. I believe male-female friendships are a myth. It’s up to the man to maintain the standard of decency for when the woman inevitably changes her feelings about the man. In other words:
“I notice him, I notice him not,” she said.
“I treat her with respect and decency regardless of whether she notices me, because I’m not a weirdo,” said he.
"being “friendly” does not imply friendship. I believe male-female friendships are a myth"
The wives of your brothers may not be friends, but they are a relationship to build/maintain. Call them sisters.
Within a community, you'd have a duty to respect the older women as aunties and care for the younger girls as nieces/daughters. Unmarried young women within your circle can be sisters.
Experiencing those family relationships provides a better model for navigating this aspect of intersexual relations. Sexual attraction is for a narrow slice of the overall female population.
I remember one of the original Roissy commentaries was that having an actual real life sister did more heavy lifting for being comfortable around women than 100 approaches and 1000 blog entries. He also condemned baby boomers for not ensuring that, what with the abortions and all.
A lot of men are surprised by the primacy of matchmaking in women's heads. A girl I'm friends with had friend of hers come to town to visit recently. I saw them at the bar and went over to say hey, and she immediately introduced me to her friend as "Not feral, but not housetrained."
I remember after my first significant girlfriend broke up with me, she more or less immediately went to work trying to set me up with her somewhat prettier best friend. It didn't work, her best friend wasn't interested in me as more than a pretty close friend, but not for lack of her trying.
This goes double for married women. If a guy is remotely in the same league she will move heaven and earth to set him up with her single friends in the hopes of getting them into her new married clique.
My brother in law recently got a big bad dose of this with his now ex-girlfriend and her friend. They hadn't been together very long, the ex was moving closer to the friend and for some reason, this friend instantly had it out for him and hammed it up so bad the girl ghosted him ending the relationship.
This is a normal aspect of women, I myself tossed my husband (then boyfriend) into my friend group for their first impressions. I was mostly interested in what the two married couples thought of him. They all got along, so I knew it wasn't that I had a blind spot for red flags, he just didn't have any. It's totally normal for a woman to rely on the assessment of others, it's just a matter if those others have good judgement and aren't actually out to destroy things.
Slightly OT: I received my paperback edition of Hypergamouse last week. First rate printing quality.
Outside of the subject but regarding the SSH do you think that Gammas prey on deltas like they prey on women? I was thinking about that rewatching breaking bad, Walter seems to be a Gamma preying on a Delta Jesse Pinkman.
Jesse wanted to leave many many times since the start (for wrong reasons at times) but Walter always manipulated him to stay around.
Perhaps. If the Gamma isn’t content with simply imagining himself as the secret king, and the Delta isn’t under the supervision of a high-status man to back him up, the Gamma may seek to manipulate lower-status men if he believes he can get away with it.
Walter definitely has a lot of Gamma tendencies in that show. Smart boy syndrome etc. Which is why he was such a fun villain to watch imo.
Not a role model at all, but entertaining the see a character arc spiral from decent guy to organized criminal.
Kinda the opposite of Tony Soprano although they remind me of each other. Felt like the Sopranos inspired Breaking Bad with the villainous protagonist who is relatable
Network, network, and network. For the average Joe, it's a matter of improving the odds.
This is exactly why men should abandon the PUA route and seek to build genuine relationships with women instead. Not only do most men have zero Game, trying to force relationships that wouldn’t naturally form anyway is a recipe for disaster. If the man stops asking for female attention like a simp and simply acts normal and friendly without expecting a woman’s number in return, soon he’ll have a network of women who could possibly introduce him to someone he has a shot with.
The friend zone does not work that way.
Puais fake and gay. Game isnt. Meeting a lot of womeb isnt going to help if you never develop the skills to talk to them. The old heartiste game stuff is gold. It still takes practice
The only examples of male-female friendship I've seen have been between high SSH men, and women whom are off-limits for some reason. Either they know they wouldn't be good together, or they are the spouse of a friend.
I don't think the vast majority of men are capable of being merely friends with a girl, or vice versa. The woman will either want an orbiter, or a relationship, 99% of the time.
"Not only do most men have zero Game"
They have zero game, because it was not needed to this extent ever before. They may as well learn how to move in the modern world.
"trying to force relationships that wouldn’t naturally form anyway is a recipe for disaster"
A dude who can't even talk to chicks has gotta start somewhere.
How do you honestly expect these guys, who've been treated like defective girls their whole lives, to "build genuine relationships with women"?
The equivalent of "men should just be themselves"
I agree. Perhaps I should have specified being “friendly” does not imply friendship. I believe male-female friendships are a myth. It’s up to the man to maintain the standard of decency for when the woman inevitably changes her feelings about the man. In other words:
“I notice him, I notice him not,” she said.
“I treat her with respect and decency regardless of whether she notices me, because I’m not a weirdo,” said he.
"being “friendly” does not imply friendship. I believe male-female friendships are a myth"
The wives of your brothers may not be friends, but they are a relationship to build/maintain. Call them sisters.
Within a community, you'd have a duty to respect the older women as aunties and care for the younger girls as nieces/daughters. Unmarried young women within your circle can be sisters.
Experiencing those family relationships provides a better model for navigating this aspect of intersexual relations. Sexual attraction is for a narrow slice of the overall female population.
I remember one of the original Roissy commentaries was that having an actual real life sister did more heavy lifting for being comfortable around women than 100 approaches and 1000 blog entries. He also condemned baby boomers for not ensuring that, what with the abortions and all.
Well, that completely changes your entire first comment. Pick a lane.
Also, most modern women are not very respectable.
A lot of men are surprised by the primacy of matchmaking in women's heads. A girl I'm friends with had friend of hers come to town to visit recently. I saw them at the bar and went over to say hey, and she immediately introduced me to her friend as "Not feral, but not housetrained."
I remember after my first significant girlfriend broke up with me, she more or less immediately went to work trying to set me up with her somewhat prettier best friend. It didn't work, her best friend wasn't interested in me as more than a pretty close friend, but not for lack of her trying.
This goes double for married women. If a guy is remotely in the same league she will move heaven and earth to set him up with her single friends in the hopes of getting them into her new married clique.
Yeah and shell forget to mention that her friend weighs like a small Rhino and has the personality of the average spotted hyena.
Obviously. But many women also have attractive friends who are available. You have to be willing and able to politely decline the non-starters.
If you get approval from the fridge, the snacks will become available.