Has anyone witnessed this play out in real life? I know gammas think like that, but I've never seen one go through with it. I'd appreciate an eyewitness account to know what to expect if I'm ever near a situation like this.
Yes, I have. I have seem a gamma profess his love to a girl "Nobody loves you like I do", "Nobody will ever love you as much as I do", he even had an acoustic guitar in his hand, but that didn't help his case much.
There is a moment where saying this kind of thing may be great, but the gamma's instincts are a tad off. They don't seem to consider how the other person is supposed to react, and make things awkward.
Yeah, I’ve had a Gamma as a friend, and he asked out every woman he could and managed to get some dates because of it. Probably about one date for every 20 girls he asked. The third panel is definitely the thought process of him, though he never voiced it to the girls. One of the main catalysts that made me stop being friends with him was when he hit on my girlfriend, now wife, the second I went to the restroom.
Yeah, I've seen the sneaking, usually around perceived common interest the gamma thinks the girl shares. I've just never seen the actual pounce. I'll be sure to ask girls about that, judging by the responses I'm in for some entertainment.
All this is probably funny in retrospect. But when you vouch for a guy to play matchmaker then a week later the girl tells you what happened, well. It's shamfull and embarrassing. Never again.
Yeah, I have a good if naive former colleague who has gotten it in his head to give my number to another gamma colleague, so I can show him around. I just told him this can never happen and he can ask a mutual female friend to explain him in greater detail. Being around women with gammas in tow is probably the next worst thing after being one yourself.
My late wife told me about a weird encounter she had when we were still dating. Some guy at a party was constantly hitting on her. She gave him no reason to believe she was interested. He escalated more and more and then started to constantly shit on his girlfriend. How ugly she is and the like and that my wife would be a huge upgrade. As if that would make a woman wet. Probably the gf was made up. We never found out, we never cared. She never saw him again.
I don't know why this particular Gamma thought it was a flex to denigrate his alleged gf, in order to boost his chances with my wife, but that's how he chose to act.
Drunk gammas at parties are trouble for women. I was once at a gamma's birthday, naturally I left as soon as I was able to, but a bravo friend stayed. So the gamma got drunk, tried to kiss/grope/something an Ukrainian girl. Her boyfriend with a broken leg tackled him, gamma punched the girl in the face, got the shit beat out of him by literally a guy on one leg and according to my friend had the most epic gamma meltdown that has ever happened or will ever happen. Ah, and another gamma got beat up trying to deescalate the situation. Damn gammas are sexual predators, really shows when they drink a little.
Yeah, it's amazing. You would naturally think those stories are made up. But experience tells us, they are not. It's absolutely incredible how Gammas sometimes behave in the wild.
100%. In school, more than once. A gamma hijacked the school's speaker system and said out loud on the mic "Girlname, I love you" expecting that this act would get him somewhere with her. Keep in mind they had absolutely no relationship and he had her as a platonic crush in his head.
Yes, I'm in dance club with bro friends. I ask hot blonde Heather to dance. She loudly, dramatically, and emphatically responds "No!". I walk back to table of friends who are all laughing and smiling. In a way, she was doing me a favor. Unfortunately, I'm a slow learner. I had a good job and credentials. Too bad I didn't have a chance to show her my resume. <-- that last part's a joke.
What I mean by "slow learner" is this behavior of mine repeated itself during a decade of clubbing. I was the "Johnny Storm" of the club scene - "Flame on!"
It's your women who let you know of them. Your girlfriend, your girl's friends are those who help you see them.
You know how you walk around during your day, and you size up people? There are men which are men, men who you might not like, but you respect them. Because they could beat you up. Because they're strong and big and competent enough. And when they're not big men, they're excellent bullshitters, i.e. salesmen or reliable, honest guys in construction. These are not the gammas.
Then there are the tall man-children, those who have gone through puberty but make you feel nothing. They don't register at all, such as the manly men mentioned above. Imagine a sort of vegetarian which is visible to eyes, but completely absent to your man-radar. They are losers with nothing going on, and not enough shame to get things done and moving, because they're not living for anything. And then they fall in love with one of your women, and it disgusts the shit out of her, the mere thought of being with such a shell of a man.
And you get to hear about how he has nothing going on, but if only, if only she would be his girl, then he would have something in his life. She is the gamma's dream girl. Then you realize that delta-game isn't that bad after all.
This is one of the more interesting dynamics I think I read on this site. It brings up a seemingly self-contradictory thought in this whole SSH paradigm going on, namely if a man seemingly has nothing going on, is viewed as a loser you would consider him "gamma". Yet, in the same breath will idolize a "sigma" when one is in the same exact situation, with potentially the same drive and motivations.
In regards to the main post, I've personally seen positive interactions derided in the comic play out in real life, and I understand why and how it happened. It may not be accepted here, but it speaks to underlying drives that the SSH doesn't pick up.
And I suppose that my view of the SSH itself shows one glaring problem in that in nearly every example it points to fictional characters of which many are part of a decaying moral framework. Alternatively, attempting to apply this framework to past histories while neglecting intrinsic properties of those times.
There are plenty of real life examples of the SSH playing out in real time with real people. Go read the posts with more words and less pictures. The “Sigmas of History” series shows that the SSH is not a cultural phenomenon, but an intrinsic aspect of human behavior throughout history and different cultures.
And I've seen plenty of examples of winners of the SSH falling apart afterwards. Bradd Pitt, Johnny Depp, the decorated ex-special forces man whose wife left him because she didn't want to put up with him. All top of the SSH, yet all failed in the ways we view success. I've actually read this place for a while, this is simply the first time I've actually posted. And I've certainly seen men who should be viewed as bottom of the SSH as defined here still maintain loyal wives. It speaks to the SSH as being incomplete or biased.
The “Sigmas of History” series seems more to apply the current understanding of SSH and ignores the motivations of people there in those times and places. For instance, previously in the U.S., you could be court martialed for adultery. And you still can be today but usually as an additional charge, not the primary cause. Yet, because those men would be called honorable and hardworking, you're written off as deltas here.
While I may have the advantage of being able to look back at the cultural momentum that shaped the formation of the SSH, the logical conclusion I come to is that it is incredibly influenced by the Western media from the 80's-2010's. Such cultural media has undeniably been destructive.
> And I've certainly seen men who should be viewed as bottom of the SSH as defined here still maintain loyal wives. It speaks to the SSH as being incomplete or biased.
Yes, gammas marry wives, many of whom are probably loyal. But the wife will looks match or personality match the gamma. It'll be obvious to an outside observer, other than yourself, that they're a low tier couple, who each had limited options.
That definitely matches SSH. A more attractive wife almost always means there's something you missed about the husband. Either money or personality or fame that make him a higher tier than your initial judgement.
You have observed the phenomena that shaped the formation of the SSH? How impressive. I’ve never met someone so old they’ve been able to observe all of human history.
Please don’t confuse morality with status. It’s a common mistake, and it’s nothing to get worked up over. Even the highest Alpha can get cheated on, since the immorality of adultery is independent of the Alpha’s popularity with women. If the Alpha’s woman leaves him, he just finds a new, usually younger and hotter, woman. His status isn’t affected by a woman giving him the finger.
Yes, the phenomena in question being references to fictional characters. I believe the owner of this substack wrote something recently about "alpha jocks" and their portrayal in cultural media being different from reality. That underlines my point.
And your second point underlines my point as well touching on motivations and drives of previous peoples and how the SSH shouldn't be applied to previous behaviors. The underlying point here being that morality wasn't divorced from status in previous times.
This reminds me of the "proving your sincerity" ideology. One of the major falsehoods you have when blue-pilled.
Recently my wife quit a job where on her last day as she was saying goodbye had her boss ask her " can I have a hug?"
Gamma confirmed ..and a weird one at that.
To this day its a running joke between us. I'll randomly say to my wife " can I have a hug?" Always makes for a good laugh between us
I despise working with or for Gammas but they have given us some exceptional catchphrases
I bet she would not say no to Steve Dallas
Looking forward to Calvin and Hobbes discussing the finer points of the SSH.
Doonesbury. The second one is The Far Side.
Dude is Opus!
Probably had a pickled herring sandwich for lunch.
Funky Winkerbean
looks really good, couldn't really tell if it is AI.
Oop ack!
Nailed it.
Looks like Doonesbury with a bit of an upgrade.
I believe it's the style of Bloom County.
Look again at that first comic. Is there any way that man will give her the "Big O". No, no there isn't. She knows it. He? He's clueless.
Has anyone witnessed this play out in real life? I know gammas think like that, but I've never seen one go through with it. I'd appreciate an eyewitness account to know what to expect if I'm ever near a situation like this.
Yes, I have. I have seem a gamma profess his love to a girl "Nobody loves you like I do", "Nobody will ever love you as much as I do", he even had an acoustic guitar in his hand, but that didn't help his case much.
There is a moment where saying this kind of thing may be great, but the gamma's instincts are a tad off. They don't seem to consider how the other person is supposed to react, and make things awkward.
Yeah, I’ve had a Gamma as a friend, and he asked out every woman he could and managed to get some dates because of it. Probably about one date for every 20 girls he asked. The third panel is definitely the thought process of him, though he never voiced it to the girls. One of the main catalysts that made me stop being friends with him was when he hit on my girlfriend, now wife, the second I went to the restroom.
This is very real. What is unlikely is them actually asking the girl out randomly.
Usually, they hound, stalk and do their "mind games" before ever considering asking. They still get rejected.
The mindset is there, they legit think they are "fated" soulmates because "insert moron reason".
Yeah, I've seen the sneaking, usually around perceived common interest the gamma thinks the girl shares. I've just never seen the actual pounce. I'll be sure to ask girls about that, judging by the responses I'm in for some entertainment.
All this is probably funny in retrospect. But when you vouch for a guy to play matchmaker then a week later the girl tells you what happened, well. It's shamfull and embarrassing. Never again.
Yeah, I have a good if naive former colleague who has gotten it in his head to give my number to another gamma colleague, so I can show him around. I just told him this can never happen and he can ask a mutual female friend to explain him in greater detail. Being around women with gammas in tow is probably the next worst thing after being one yourself.
My late wife told me about a weird encounter she had when we were still dating. Some guy at a party was constantly hitting on her. She gave him no reason to believe she was interested. He escalated more and more and then started to constantly shit on his girlfriend. How ugly she is and the like and that my wife would be a huge upgrade. As if that would make a woman wet. Probably the gf was made up. We never found out, we never cared. She never saw him again.
I don't know why this particular Gamma thought it was a flex to denigrate his alleged gf, in order to boost his chances with my wife, but that's how he chose to act.
Drunk gammas at parties are trouble for women. I was once at a gamma's birthday, naturally I left as soon as I was able to, but a bravo friend stayed. So the gamma got drunk, tried to kiss/grope/something an Ukrainian girl. Her boyfriend with a broken leg tackled him, gamma punched the girl in the face, got the shit beat out of him by literally a guy on one leg and according to my friend had the most epic gamma meltdown that has ever happened or will ever happen. Ah, and another gamma got beat up trying to deescalate the situation. Damn gammas are sexual predators, really shows when they drink a little.
Damn, I wish you would have stayed and recorded it for posting.
How little does a guy have to be to get beaten up by a man with one broken and one decent leg?
And how is anyone that pathetic that one misses the dude, and instead, accidentally punches the woman?
Oh, gamma didn't miss.
Yeah, it's amazing. You would naturally think those stories are made up. But experience tells us, they are not. It's absolutely incredible how Gammas sometimes behave in the wild.
100%. In school, more than once. A gamma hijacked the school's speaker system and said out loud on the mic "Girlname, I love you" expecting that this act would get him somewhere with her. Keep in mind they had absolutely no relationship and he had her as a platonic crush in his head.
Yes, I'm in dance club with bro friends. I ask hot blonde Heather to dance. She loudly, dramatically, and emphatically responds "No!". I walk back to table of friends who are all laughing and smiling. In a way, she was doing me a favor. Unfortunately, I'm a slow learner. I had a good job and credentials. Too bad I didn't have a chance to show her my resume. <-- that last part's a joke.
What I mean by "slow learner" is this behavior of mine repeated itself during a decade of clubbing. I was the "Johnny Storm" of the club scene - "Flame on!"
It's your women who let you know of them. Your girlfriend, your girl's friends are those who help you see them.
You know how you walk around during your day, and you size up people? There are men which are men, men who you might not like, but you respect them. Because they could beat you up. Because they're strong and big and competent enough. And when they're not big men, they're excellent bullshitters, i.e. salesmen or reliable, honest guys in construction. These are not the gammas.
Then there are the tall man-children, those who have gone through puberty but make you feel nothing. They don't register at all, such as the manly men mentioned above. Imagine a sort of vegetarian which is visible to eyes, but completely absent to your man-radar. They are losers with nothing going on, and not enough shame to get things done and moving, because they're not living for anything. And then they fall in love with one of your women, and it disgusts the shit out of her, the mere thought of being with such a shell of a man.
And you get to hear about how he has nothing going on, but if only, if only she would be his girl, then he would have something in his life. She is the gamma's dream girl. Then you realize that delta-game isn't that bad after all.
This is one of the more interesting dynamics I think I read on this site. It brings up a seemingly self-contradictory thought in this whole SSH paradigm going on, namely if a man seemingly has nothing going on, is viewed as a loser you would consider him "gamma". Yet, in the same breath will idolize a "sigma" when one is in the same exact situation, with potentially the same drive and motivations.
In regards to the main post, I've personally seen positive interactions derided in the comic play out in real life, and I understand why and how it happened. It may not be accepted here, but it speaks to underlying drives that the SSH doesn't pick up.
And I suppose that my view of the SSH itself shows one glaring problem in that in nearly every example it points to fictional characters of which many are part of a decaying moral framework. Alternatively, attempting to apply this framework to past histories while neglecting intrinsic properties of those times.
There are plenty of real life examples of the SSH playing out in real time with real people. Go read the posts with more words and less pictures. The “Sigmas of History” series shows that the SSH is not a cultural phenomenon, but an intrinsic aspect of human behavior throughout history and different cultures.
And I've seen plenty of examples of winners of the SSH falling apart afterwards. Bradd Pitt, Johnny Depp, the decorated ex-special forces man whose wife left him because she didn't want to put up with him. All top of the SSH, yet all failed in the ways we view success. I've actually read this place for a while, this is simply the first time I've actually posted. And I've certainly seen men who should be viewed as bottom of the SSH as defined here still maintain loyal wives. It speaks to the SSH as being incomplete or biased.
The “Sigmas of History” series seems more to apply the current understanding of SSH and ignores the motivations of people there in those times and places. For instance, previously in the U.S., you could be court martialed for adultery. And you still can be today but usually as an additional charge, not the primary cause. Yet, because those men would be called honorable and hardworking, you're written off as deltas here.
While I may have the advantage of being able to look back at the cultural momentum that shaped the formation of the SSH, the logical conclusion I come to is that it is incredibly influenced by the Western media from the 80's-2010's. Such cultural media has undeniably been destructive.
> And I've certainly seen men who should be viewed as bottom of the SSH as defined here still maintain loyal wives. It speaks to the SSH as being incomplete or biased.
Yes, gammas marry wives, many of whom are probably loyal. But the wife will looks match or personality match the gamma. It'll be obvious to an outside observer, other than yourself, that they're a low tier couple, who each had limited options.
That definitely matches SSH. A more attractive wife almost always means there's something you missed about the husband. Either money or personality or fame that make him a higher tier than your initial judgement.
You have observed the phenomena that shaped the formation of the SSH? How impressive. I’ve never met someone so old they’ve been able to observe all of human history.
Please don’t confuse morality with status. It’s a common mistake, and it’s nothing to get worked up over. Even the highest Alpha can get cheated on, since the immorality of adultery is independent of the Alpha’s popularity with women. If the Alpha’s woman leaves him, he just finds a new, usually younger and hotter, woman. His status isn’t affected by a woman giving him the finger.
Yes, the phenomena in question being references to fictional characters. I believe the owner of this substack wrote something recently about "alpha jocks" and their portrayal in cultural media being different from reality. That underlines my point.
And your second point underlines my point as well touching on motivations and drives of previous peoples and how the SSH shouldn't be applied to previous behaviors. The underlying point here being that morality wasn't divorced from status in previous times.
"In regards to the main post, I've personally seen positive interactions derided in the comic play out in real life"
Well write it down then. This was a question about how the situation played out, not how you feel about it.
Seems like wasted effort if you confuse what I think about it with what I feel about it and both of those with what I've witnessed.
Don't sweat on it. At no point did anybody think you're not full of shit.
Doonsbury with The Far Side. Wow, that works well. Maybe Bloom County too.
Can't quite place it but it seems fam6
Doonsbury
Bloom County
I was trying to decide between that and Doonesbury for a minute. It's been a long time since I read either.
Now Calvin and Hobbes...
I was wondering at the distinct lack of mentally unbalanced penguins.
Bloom County style is nice for dialectic, but a Dark Lord with access to Gary Larson’s Far Side style for rhetoric is truly dangerous.