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Coffee Guy Chris's avatar

"But the reality is that all of the Clown World governments and dozens, if not hundreds, of their media stringers, are actively occupied in suppression of bad thought as well as online hasbara."

My thoughts exactly. When I first learned how absolutely corrupt and compromised all forms of mass media are, I was astounded to see how many trends and popular things that seemed "natural" at first were literally processed and manufactured with deliberate intent to sell a certain false idea, or discredit a certain true idea. It doesn't surprise me a bit that SSH terms are captured and rebranded. I'm convinced that much of the modern slang that kids use today is designed to reduce their IQ, or vocabulary, or both.

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bammin's avatar

In the wild today I saw a new one: “what the sigma?”

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Sam Drucker's avatar

My 5th and 6th graders say that from time to time. I asked them what a Sigma is, and they said it's a guy who is good with the ladies.

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HeadsNTails's avatar

Tell them it’s a combination of a sugma and a ligma.

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Jimbo Elrod Jr.'s avatar

Dad, what are you?

That is not its proper use. Now, to basics. Are there any boys or teachers you know that you have an urge to punch in the face?

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HeadsNTails's avatar

Been waiting for “1,2 buckle my shoe” to come back. Up your nose with a rubber hose.

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Aaron Kulkis's avatar

If it doesn't end with 9, 10 Big Fat Hen, you're doing it wrong.

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Jimbo Elrod Jr.'s avatar

Sit on it was a bit off putting.

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Aaron Kulkis's avatar

Hollyweird.

An actual real-life "Fonzie" analog would never had settled on such a line.

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Jim's avatar

They forgot to ban “Smoke Show” and the numbers 1-10.

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Jimbo Elrod Jr.'s avatar

They do not like 14 and 88. No sir. I think 7 and 8 too, sometimes. But not clear who the ADL and SPLC are hanging out with and are probably contributors like those Michigan governor kidnap plotters and Patriot Era retard plane bombers that just burned themselves all “known” to to the FBI but got us functional strip searches to fly.

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Aaron Kulkis's avatar

What would happen if the ADL and SPLC were physically destroyed?

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info1234's avatar

This also indicates the importance of Archiving. So that the distorters and those who like to associate Good with Evil and hence taint the True and Good by association may be thwarted by future generations who have the right tools in their hands to combat it.

The same patterns will persist regardless of letters to describe them awaiting discovery by the Intellectually honest.

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SirHamster's avatar

Being a solid Historian/Lorekeeper is an important job.

That's particularly suited for a Gamma's SME talents, if they'll keep their ego out of the way.

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info1234's avatar

How can a Gamma be without an Ego?

A Loremaster that people forget even exists in the course of recording accurate Lore.

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Aaron Kulkis's avatar

Look at the difference between Hollywood presentations of classic literature, vs the British film industry's presentations of classic literature.

All the way back to the 1930's, Hollywood producers and directors have a compulsion to put their own greasy fingerprints on everything, "To make it their own" or some such nonsense.

The Brits have always stayed true to the author's work.

Even the variation between the film and TV version of "A Hitchiker's Guide to the Galaxy" from the book version (and the original radio version) were ALL direct from the mind of Douglas Adams himself.

For example, Adams wrote in the scene in the movie about the nasal congestion cult for the sole purpose of giving John Malkovich a substantial role.

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Dave's avatar

Seeing how people don't understanding living memes or events, ones you can look up as having happened in the last year, sunk my estimation of anthropology dramatically. If an academic can't tell me what a sad frog pepe is, instead likening it to white supremacy, why should I trust them on cultural analysis 500 or 2000 years back?

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info1234's avatar

Those who aren't willing to understand won't.

A sad fact of reality. But an advantage to those who are honest in seeking the truth and applying it.

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GH's avatar

There is a piece of clay pottery as proof.

How can you argue against that? Clearly there were always 366 genders from the pottery record.

Its also very accurately carbon dated, and that particular piece of carbon molecule was smelted when they say.

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Dave's avatar

When the feminist fat acceptance movement pointed at Venus Figurines, the clay statues of obese women with no heads, as an icon of sexy women and how we should all love fatties because clay pottery it occurred to me, "What would an anthropologist say about our sex and beauty preferences if they only had pornhub and hentai figurines to go off of?".

Doubly so if they're the same morons who got defining GamerGate wrong even with the benefit of it happening before their eyes with written descriptions by people explicitly telling them what it is. "Hey if this person is so deluded that they can't get that right, why am I listening to them about anything? Like, anything ever?"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venus_figurine

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GH's avatar

Indeed. They beclown themselves, but you have to look a little to see its all BS.

All science is currently fiction because no one gate kept. Anything that works lives in engineering or industry.

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info1234's avatar

Science is meant to be Gatekept through attempts at replication similar to how engineering is tested against the real world. But that isn't done or done properly.

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Aaron Kulkis's avatar

That worked when those who regarded themselves, and who were regarded as "scientists" were, as a population, 98%+ white christian men. Japs can do it. I don't think any other ethnicity is, by and large, morally capable of staying within the tenets of the scientific method and an HONEST, truth-seeking peer review process when tenure and promotions depend upon "having published papers"

It's amazing how many "scientific" papers, even within the engineering disciplines, are much ado about nothing.

Those written by anyone from southern or eastern Asia (apart from Japan), i don't even bother reading. They are published only for the purpose of of career and income advancement.

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GH's avatar

It was meant to, but it wasn't.

When i learned of science i learned falsification was the primary goal, and things only remained by surviving falsification attempts.

Current day all attempts to falsify anything is met with "flat earther" responses. Which is itself seemingly ironic.

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Wolfenheiss's avatar

Could the intention of grouping "sigma" with words like "gyatt", "rizz", and "mewing" be trying to poison the well by attacking the sexual part of the SSH?

I seem to very rarely see sigma being used with other slang but almost always with brain rot slang exclusively. Maybe the intention of constantly pushing the sigma association with internet brain rot slang is an effort to cement the emotional association of "sigma" being degenerate?

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Enwar's avatar

No, it's just part of a specific branch of internet culture. It's more a testament of how far the youth has gone than a conspiracy.

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GH's avatar

It won't matter, because the only word they need protect against is gamma, but they are too gamma to know that.

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NateM's avatar

Speaking of Empty Wordsthe SJW has scored another own goal by electing a Nigerian man to one of the At Large seats on the Board. Fast forward some months and it turns out-,he's a plagiarist and he grifted members on several GoFundMes and personal requests. Surprisingly, him trying to carousel his visa after attending a con in the US wasn't enough for them to be at all suspicious. He probably convinced Cat Rambo he was the son of the deposed King of Nigeria.

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Mike's avatar

They had a list of banned words, but didn't include "Belgium"?

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Remaint's avatar

They're too addicted to chocolate for that!

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David Aquinas's avatar

I enjoyed the last paragraph's retort and find the latest excerpts from the Cambridge Medieval History enlightening. While Valens may have been a Delta out of his competency, he was nevertheless stalwart and heroic.

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Determined Ω's avatar

The term sigma seems to have become popular around the same time as Andrew Tate. I wonder what red pill influencer is responsible for bringing it to the mainstream.

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taignobias's avatar

From what I remember, it arose simultaneously among a bunch of the "alpha male" grifters who wanted a new word to describe their specialness. That's where we got "Sigma Grindset," for example - it was the "Alpha Male Grindset" rebranded to grab a new group of suckers.

That Tate would be one of those grifters fails to surprise.

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Enwar's avatar

That led to an explosion of memes mocking the idea. In that vein, I wonder if Vox thinks the majority of these self-proclaimed alpha males, like Andrew Tate and Wes Watson, are gammas.

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GH's avatar

Watch one of Tates ISKA fights. Hes a plant.

Very low ability. I assumed he was given his wins with weak opponents, at the least. Now hes a kickboxing champ with creds.

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info1234's avatar

Andrew Tates dad worked for the CIA.

So won't be surprised if there is a glowie connection.

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taignobias's avatar

Assuming he thinks about them at all, I'd assume so. Most of the ones I've seen have had the tells.

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taignobias's avatar

No.

"Alpha/Beta" was a prevalent part of the inadequate SMV concept. Sigma originates with Vox and the definition of the SSH.

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E.G. Greenwood's avatar

There is a concerted effort to denigrate the SSH by calling it "Immoral". I don't think this is organic.

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info1234's avatar

Same playbook as the attack on the Red Pill.

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JW's avatar

It's neither immoral nor moral and has nothing to do with morality at all.

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Enwar's avatar

Exactly. This is psychology and sociology. I expect some form of the SSH to enter mainstream academic thought eventually.

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Enwar's avatar

I disagree. It appears organic. Since high status is desirable, people tend to think all the traits associated with high status are desirable; and from desirable, moral. However, promiscuity and infidelity are among those traits. Some people point this out and say that the SSH is immoral.

The root of the problem is bad logic. Desirability is conflated with morality; and since high status is seen as desirable, all traits associated with it are seen as such. Both of these ideas are foolish, but easy to fall into. You can be a gamma and a decent person, and an alpha and a bad person. In fact, both of these are probably common.

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E.G. Greenwood's avatar

Good point.

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Theophilus's avatar

My kids have had the same list up in their classrooms here in Montana since starting day. Here the way the 5th grade boys are using it, is as a synonym for cool.

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AML's avatar

Like most of these things, it is not authentic at the top or point of origin, but is authentic at the retail level. Since MPAI they think that such brute force methods will work, but in reality the people at the point of origin know it will only spread these things further. Edit: Oh and I absolutely agree that at the point of origin, it is intentional to group "sigma" with garbage like "rizz" and "gyatt."

To remove these words from my household, I only had to employ dad-cringe whereby I spoke about my "drip" and my "rizz" in a non-ironic way, preferably in front of their friends. Begging me to stop, a grand bargain was struck.

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Julie C's avatar

My husband likes to do the same. It's amazing and highly amusing how much they freak out over parental use of slang.

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GH's avatar

Good tactics. Will use.

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AML's avatar

Indeed, these fine gentlemen were somewhat of an inspiration.

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BBL1986's avatar

"Sigma" has gotten international too. It's funny how a concept created a little more than a decade ago has gone viral! Suddenly, it started popping out everywhere.

Of course, it's seldom used correctly. And few know where it originated...

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Enwar's avatar

"Sigma male" became an internet meme around 2020.

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DREWIEY's avatar

It's pretty silly to associate the ssh with religious beliefs. In the case of Valens, to say he was a gamma because he was an Arian would imply that Alaric was a gamma also?

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E.G. Greenwood's avatar

Amongst the self-appointed disputers of theology, there is an excess of Gammas.

Its one place where they can take to themselves authority over others and feel superior for knowing more facts than the person they argue with.

In the recent Calvinism wave of 10-15 years ago, protestant Gammas flocked to it because it offered a chance to argue over issues they hardly understood.

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B. E. Gordon's avatar

It could be that Arius was a Gamma who tapped into the zeitgeist to find something subversive to the established order that a lot of people would latch onto. Not the first time that has happened. Martin Luther was probably a Gamma as well.

But not all Arians would’ve been Gamma, obviously. A Gamma may start a movement or a cult, but it wouldn’t be a very successful one if it remained limited to Gammas.

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Vox Day's avatar

Neither of them were Gammas. I suggest actually reading about the men before you start spouting off about them because you don't like their theologies.

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B. E. Gordon's avatar

Thank you. More to learn.

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taignobias's avatar

I'm not sure I can fit Martin Luther into the Gamma slot. He was remarkably well-liked, as near as I can tell, and his wife seems to have liked him well enough. His writing is also remarkably direct, though that could well come from a need for economy and a German sensibility.

As I admire the man, I'm tempted to declare him Sigma, but I'm neither knowledgeable nor objective enough to take that stand.

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B. E. Gordon's avatar

I guess it would depend upon how attractive his wife was. If, like Karl Marx's wife, she was ugly as a hundred miles of mud fence, Gamma. If a stunner, then Alpha / Sigma.

Or we'd need Vox to make a call.

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SirHamster's avatar

"Or we'd need Vox to make a call."

While Vox is the expert opinion, the entire point of the SSH is that everyone can figure it out.

How did that person relate to others? How did others think of that person?

Having the Lutheran church named after the dude suggests Alpha. Forming an organization is something Alphas do. Bravos and Deltas are followers and would avoid a significant and weighty decision like condemning the Church structure he operates in.

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B. E. Gordon's avatar

At this point, I'm now inclined to say Alpha.

He had some Gamma strains when he was young, immature, and uncertain about himself, such as the lightning incident where he promised to become a monk, his overly scrupulous confessions, and his occasional vulgarity. But I did learn earlier from a discussion of LeBron James that this can be the case with Alphas.

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