Now that I think about it, all of the women who made their intentions and interest in me absolutely clear, with no intermediaries, have been women quite taller than I am.
I've found quite a few short men attractive (some near my 5'3" height or even shorter), but the caveat is that they can't be skinny. There are short men that have broad chests and substance to their arms, and that's fine, but the short and skinny ones are just way too small overall.
Vox thinks the punchline for this particular strip is a bit outlandish, but it's only mildly exaggerated based on a real life situation in my family. The man was old and stinky and not particularly wealthy, and the woman was young and beautiful, and she was his 4th wife - somehow he could wrangle the ladies in...But she wasn't taller than him.
Height is one thing, build is another. I am still 6 ft Wife is 5’ 7. While dating 50 plus years ago needed a nice dress shirt and tie for a forgotten function, definitely not my then preferred clothing. She directed the shopping as I was fine clothing ignorant at that time. Needed a 17.5 neck with a 36 -37 inch sleeve, tall slim fit, 34 inch waist . At one fancy Men’s store I was in the adjacent aisle when the she told the salesman what we were looking for. He responded with: “What? 17.5 inch neck? 37 inch sleeve? Is he a gorilla?” Still laugh about it today. Height matters, but so do proportions. And posture and attitude, a DFWM look goes a long way..
This is helpful for me. Whiskey6’s wife posting here and I’m trying to help/understand our daughter. I’m 5’11, married to a 6’3 sigma.
Our daughter is 5’10, legitimately looks like Barbie and is dating a guy who is 5’8. He’s an extrovert/ class president/ alpha kind of guy as far as I can tell.
The shortness is killing me as the mom. But maybe, in the SSH it makes sense for the guy?
As a Dad of two girls who did eventually marry men taller than them. Did they date shorter men? Yes. Did they date losers? Yes. Some quite serious losers. But until he comes to the house and asks your husband for permission to marry your daughter, don’t worry. Trust your husband. Height doesn’t matter as he looks down to everyone, he’ll look at the entire package. If he is a man he will protect his daughter from a bad decision. I ruined one relationships simply by telling one daughter her BS filter was clogged, pointed out some non sequiturs and let doubt do its work. Another, simply pointed out that he was a mama’s boy. Once seen can’t be unseen. Let your husband do his job, but letting him know your concerns doesn’t hurt. He’s not a mind reader.
I've taken to telling guys that shorter women absolutely have bad spatial awareness and can't tell how tall you are anyway. I know a short woman that said our ex-boss was over 7 feet. I knew she was wrong and said 6 and a half. I texted him to ask and he said 6'7".
So if she's short, just say you're six foot tall. You're lying less about your height than she is about her weight.
It's fruitless for men to be concerned with how tall/short they are. It's completely outside of your control, it just is what it is. So whatever hand you're dealt, make due the best you can with what you got, and always take your shot.
Take this with a grain of salt since I'm low status, but I'm tall (6'2"). My impression is that there's a "sweet spot" where the height difference between me and a woman can potentially make me much more attractive to her. But outside of that zone it matters a lot less, and I don't think women over 5'7" care at all.
170 cm is roughly 5'7", and is considered the minimal reasonable height for men in America. It is "lower average", while sub 5' 7" is considered "short".
Men that are less than 5' 7", frequently lie and say that they are 5' 7". A lot of famous men in Hollywood (like Tom Cruise) say they are 5' 7" when they are clearly shorter.
As a tall Delta, I know height definitely helps. My sweet little 5' 4" Japanese wife (of the last 26.years), fell pretty hard for her 192cm American guy with the kind looking eyes which happen to have a lovely blue shade.
Short guys can't make themselves taller, but they can get lean and fit. Lean and fit is more important than height.
I'm Delta, but I'm working hard to add "lean and fit" to my height. I want to keep my girl on her toes.
Can confirm. The super tall are definitely less fussy about height. I have been with 2 extremely attractive women over 6 foot 6. I am 6 foot.They initiated. In between that and about 5 foot 7 there is a desert. Probably because I like shorter ones but the super tall, mainly do not care at all about your height.
I knew a Guatemala who at 4'11'' was short even by Guatemalan standards, but he was also the fittest man around, and was just an all-around great guy. He was the star soccer player and regularly wrestled and carried around men who must have been almost twice his weight. In hindsight I'd have to guess Alpha. He married a pretty-faced, fat (considered a perk), sweet American girl who at 5 feet tall never guessed she'd be the tall one in the relationship.
Went down to the last penny three times, one after a business loss, one autoimmune health collapse driven, and the first when I was young, newly debt free and refused to go into debt to stay in my apartment. The woman I was with each time didn't leave but stuck through like in that last panel. The last two times were with the wife.
Too many men grossly overestimate how much wealth fits into the equation for female loyalty. If anything the fundamental behaviors that lead to wealth over time are more attractive than the possession of the wealth itself.
There are many cases where a woman cheats on her rich, stable, loyal, doting Delta husband who provides her above average comfortable standard of living.
I've seen several of these cases, and the common denominator seems to be exactly that: it's all about her. He does whatever she wants, supports her in all the endeavours that take her outside of the home but that she claims to find personally fulfilling, and eventually she gets bored and wants something else. But the whole time, she was just doing whatever she wanted - it's just that now she wants something she shouldn't have, and she's never been told no.
Yes that is my ex gf to a T. Did everything I could to provide and cater to her preferences, she slowly stopped helping take care of the things that needed upkeep. Left everything on my shoulders. Because me wanting things taken care of was "controlling" and limiting to her pursuit of everything outside the home- even tho all of that was random and meaningless even to her, really, but it is independence and power in her eyes. Then moved out for more freedom to pursue her interests which don't pay the bills and is stuck living with some lezbo and no real hope of getting her own place. Its all pretty sad really.
This is purely anecdotal and presumptuous, but I'm 6'2", not a giant, but I think if I'd been just 6' even, I probably would've had at least half fewer girlfriends that I've had. Obviously there is no way to test this, but I know my height seriously makes up for a lot of other extremely lacking areas.
Now that I think about it, all of the women who made their intentions and interest in me absolutely clear, with no intermediaries, have been women quite taller than I am.
Statham hooked his a while ago
I've found quite a few short men attractive (some near my 5'3" height or even shorter), but the caveat is that they can't be skinny. There are short men that have broad chests and substance to their arms, and that's fine, but the short and skinny ones are just way too small overall.
Vox thinks the punchline for this particular strip is a bit outlandish, but it's only mildly exaggerated based on a real life situation in my family. The man was old and stinky and not particularly wealthy, and the woman was young and beautiful, and she was his 4th wife - somehow he could wrangle the ladies in...But she wasn't taller than him.
Height is one thing, build is another. I am still 6 ft Wife is 5’ 7. While dating 50 plus years ago needed a nice dress shirt and tie for a forgotten function, definitely not my then preferred clothing. She directed the shopping as I was fine clothing ignorant at that time. Needed a 17.5 neck with a 36 -37 inch sleeve, tall slim fit, 34 inch waist . At one fancy Men’s store I was in the adjacent aisle when the she told the salesman what we were looking for. He responded with: “What? 17.5 inch neck? 37 inch sleeve? Is he a gorilla?” Still laugh about it today. Height matters, but so do proportions. And posture and attitude, a DFWM look goes a long way..
Sure women think they want a tall man.
But then they realize you can put their things out of reach at a moment's notice.
This is helpful for me. Whiskey6’s wife posting here and I’m trying to help/understand our daughter. I’m 5’11, married to a 6’3 sigma.
Our daughter is 5’10, legitimately looks like Barbie and is dating a guy who is 5’8. He’s an extrovert/ class president/ alpha kind of guy as far as I can tell.
The shortness is killing me as the mom. But maybe, in the SSH it makes sense for the guy?
Why do YOU even care?
I want the best for my daughter. Why wouldn’t I want someone taller than her?
As a Dad of two girls who did eventually marry men taller than them. Did they date shorter men? Yes. Did they date losers? Yes. Some quite serious losers. But until he comes to the house and asks your husband for permission to marry your daughter, don’t worry. Trust your husband. Height doesn’t matter as he looks down to everyone, he’ll look at the entire package. If he is a man he will protect his daughter from a bad decision. I ruined one relationships simply by telling one daughter her BS filter was clogged, pointed out some non sequiturs and let doubt do its work. Another, simply pointed out that he was a mama’s boy. Once seen can’t be unseen. Let your husband do his job, but letting him know your concerns doesn’t hurt. He’s not a mind reader.
I've taken to telling guys that shorter women absolutely have bad spatial awareness and can't tell how tall you are anyway. I know a short woman that said our ex-boss was over 7 feet. I knew she was wrong and said 6 and a half. I texted him to ask and he said 6'7".
So if she's short, just say you're six foot tall. You're lying less about your height than she is about her weight.
It's fruitless for men to be concerned with how tall/short they are. It's completely outside of your control, it just is what it is. So whatever hand you're dealt, make due the best you can with what you got, and always take your shot.
Meanwhile, women get all offended by being judged by the things they have control over (how much they put in their mouths and their promiscuity).
Take this with a grain of salt since I'm low status, but I'm tall (6'2"). My impression is that there's a "sweet spot" where the height difference between me and a woman can potentially make me much more attractive to her. But outside of that zone it matters a lot less, and I don't think women over 5'7" care at all.
One of the most useful observations yet. Thanks,
Some of it is cultural. "Six feet tall or just don't call," is pretty much just Americans at this point.
Because everybody else uses metric.
A Japanese popstar recently said, “Men who are under 170 cm don’t have human rights.”
Translate that into Freedom Feet and you'll die laughing.
5 foot 8 inches for those who are wondering.
Japanese women definitely prefer men 180 cm (5'11"), or above. My wife is Japanese, and we have two single young adult nieces over there.
170 cm is roughly 5'7", and is considered the minimal reasonable height for men in America. It is "lower average", while sub 5' 7" is considered "short".
Men that are less than 5' 7", frequently lie and say that they are 5' 7". A lot of famous men in Hollywood (like Tom Cruise) say they are 5' 7" when they are clearly shorter.
As a tall Delta, I know height definitely helps. My sweet little 5' 4" Japanese wife (of the last 26.years), fell pretty hard for her 192cm American guy with the kind looking eyes which happen to have a lovely blue shade.
Short guys can't make themselves taller, but they can get lean and fit. Lean and fit is more important than height.
I'm Delta, but I'm working hard to add "lean and fit" to my height. I want to keep my girl on her toes.
Freedom feet. OK, that just put a smile on my face for the day.
I used to live in Italy & Germany, with a number of friends there. Freedom feet will be used in the near future. Thx.
Can confirm. The super tall are definitely less fussy about height. I have been with 2 extremely attractive women over 6 foot 6. I am 6 foot.They initiated. In between that and about 5 foot 7 there is a desert. Probably because I like shorter ones but the super tall, mainly do not care at all about your height.
The stares were worth it
Women over 6' 6" are so incredibly rare as to be virtually non-existent (maybe 1 in 30,000).
I'm 6' 4" and have ever only seen a handful of women who are taller.
I think a lot of the tall 5' 8" - 6' 2" women get kinda irritated that the 6' 1" - 6' 6" guys marry short women.
It's because they realize that the odds are no matter what man they land, he'll still be shorter than her.
One really attractive guy I knew, a Bravo, was only 5'7", but he compensated for his lack of height by being in great shape.
I knew a Guatemala who at 4'11'' was short even by Guatemalan standards, but he was also the fittest man around, and was just an all-around great guy. He was the star soccer player and regularly wrestled and carried around men who must have been almost twice his weight. In hindsight I'd have to guess Alpha. He married a pretty-faced, fat (considered a perk), sweet American girl who at 5 feet tall never guessed she'd be the tall one in the relationship.
If the woman in a couple is a bit taller, it doesn’t really look strange if the man is also significantly heavier and stockier than her.
Went down to the last penny three times, one after a business loss, one autoimmune health collapse driven, and the first when I was young, newly debt free and refused to go into debt to stay in my apartment. The woman I was with each time didn't leave but stuck through like in that last panel. The last two times were with the wife.
Too many men grossly overestimate how much wealth fits into the equation for female loyalty. If anything the fundamental behaviors that lead to wealth over time are more attractive than the possession of the wealth itself.
If a man behaves like he can make money, he can be broke and it's not a deal breaker. Big difference compared with lazy slob moocher men.
There are many cases where a woman cheats on her rich, stable, loyal, doting Delta husband who provides her above average comfortable standard of living.
I've seen several of these cases, and the common denominator seems to be exactly that: it's all about her. He does whatever she wants, supports her in all the endeavours that take her outside of the home but that she claims to find personally fulfilling, and eventually she gets bored and wants something else. But the whole time, she was just doing whatever she wanted - it's just that now she wants something she shouldn't have, and she's never been told no.
Yes that is my ex gf to a T. Did everything I could to provide and cater to her preferences, she slowly stopped helping take care of the things that needed upkeep. Left everything on my shoulders. Because me wanting things taken care of was "controlling" and limiting to her pursuit of everything outside the home- even tho all of that was random and meaningless even to her, really, but it is independence and power in her eyes. Then moved out for more freedom to pursue her interests which don't pay the bills and is stuck living with some lezbo and no real hope of getting her own place. Its all pretty sad really.
She got entitled.
She always was entitled.
This is purely anecdotal and presumptuous, but I'm 6'2", not a giant, but I think if I'd been just 6' even, I probably would've had at least half fewer girlfriends that I've had. Obviously there is no way to test this, but I know my height seriously makes up for a lot of other extremely lacking areas.
To the point of the article, how do tall girls react to you vs short girls?
Unfortunately, not a lot of variety in that department for me. They were all between 5'3" and 5'6". I never got a real shorty or a giantess.