If you want a woman to talk about Aristotle and Charles Martel with you, you're not getting any women. They all keep up with Celebrity news, body and beauty products, they all watch the same TikTok -- and guess what? That's what the beautiful woman you fall for will do, too. They aren't gonna talk to you about.
At 18 I thought I'd find a hot girl into my politics.
I learned I prefer the apolitical and they will just agree with you anyway. I don't want my discussion of Vox Day's daily VP post to be what my wife wants to do after I get home...my god, once a delta grows up (like i did, thx VD), I can't think of anything worse than a woman into that.
The women I knew in grad school all sat around watching afternoon soap operas, or reading mindless romance novels. They partied and got drunk every weekend. Just like the yoga instructor, our sigma used as an example.
There’s another thread currently raging on Substack that started with a woman complaining about men who, paraphrasing, “mate with dumb bitches”. SSH in action.
The "men are intimidated" thing is a s-test. A woman wants a man of high enough caliber he won't be intimidated by her. All the while, she is neglecting her feminine duty to not be the type of woman who intimidates. And of course, like others have said, this supposed intimidation is usually just disinterest.
I'm a hypergamous man, I guess. We should beware of generalizations. Not all men are intellectuals and philosophers, they never were. It's the same with women. But if we venture into generalizations, men are more often "how things work" type, and women "how people work." I don't consider that a flaw, on the contrary, I consider it an insight into a world that is otherwise invisible to me.
Interesting comments. I have one set of great grandparents letters from the war. He was a flight engineer in a plane called a Lancaster, and he was lucky to survive the war. She managed the home and played bridge, a card game, with a card club. Their letters were full of encouragement and good news, very loving and with perfect penmanship, yet both were suffering greatly. I forgot about those letters until you mentioned your grandparents. You are correct. TV broke society. It broke everything.
I want to "like" this, but it would be entirely the wrong sentiment. Agree wholeheartedly, rather. My grandparents married before he deployed; she kept a photo of him that she kissed every night, which forever after had her lipstick stains on his cheek.
That's the key question: what does one want in a partner? Many businessmen and well-placed politicians want a wife who will not complicate life and stay out of the way. Ordinary men can afford the luxury of an interesting and intriguing wife.
Kevin Samuels had a lock on this topic in the black community. He had an audio loop of Kaleesha “imma PhD” running in the background when one of these “intimidating” women called the show.
Hilarity ensued when Samuels dropped truth on them.
Even the rare exception of an intelligent woman who reads real stuff has no interest in talking about it on a date. One unusual homeschooled young lady who's babysat my kids is an autodidact and read a lot of Aristotle on her own. She's complained to my wife about boys who want to talk philosophy with her on a first date. What she wants from a romantic relationship is the same as the unread Yoga Instructor.
I wouldn't blame men too much because seduction is an art, you have to find the right measure. You need to know how to read people. Here, for example, the babysitter who likes philosophy, on dates prefers romance to intellectual conversation, while another would have nothing against it. However, it is best to stick to romance.
I will see your autodidact and raise you a Johnnie who argued metaphysics with her true love on the regular. Now she was a pocket venus, but still, there are men who enjoy being friends with their wives.
And friends are friends *about* things.
It is orthogonal to sexual desire and family affection, but no less real for all that.
It's like what Epictetus wrote about valuing sheep for the wool, not the grass it eats and so on. Clever men do not value clever women. But clever men who value philosophy, and storytelling, and truth, will love and be loved by women who valye the same, and can keep up.
The "we are both looking in the same direction" is an aphrodisiac. Men and women who care about the thingness, if not repellant, have to get *past* it to stay friends.
This is how and why guys are friends shoulder to shoulder. If you're his friend, then you share his interest. And you're attentive to what's making his life better or worse. If he likes sports, then his friend likes sports. If you've not got a murderous eye contact, if you lose his target, if you find killing his enemy boring, then you're not his friend.
The woman who wants to be admired for her cleverness or intellect on a date is mistaking the date for a beauty pageant. Because if she isn't using that intellect to get rid of what's plaguing the hot guy, why would he ask her out again? He is looking for a woman who works to improve his life and to lessen his problems.
The "bare is back without brother behind it" was not what I was writing about. It is positively masculine, and not something a normal woman has a part in.
All that aside, "The woman who wants to be admired for her cleverness or intellect on a date is mistaking the date for a beauty pageant." is golden
"So, it’s not “intimidation” that inspires the lack of expected male interest, but rather the failure to utilize those theoretical advantages in a way that might actually stoke an amount of it."
Exactly. Too many women cling to the label "Intelligent" (whatever their actual intelligence may be) and conflate it with possessing authority and superiority. Thus they practically have a duty to dictate to everyone around them how they ought to live. People being people, and particularly men being men, very few adults enjoy being treated like a recalcitrant, stupid child. But since she is "intelligent," that's often the only way she knows how to treat other people. The cats don't like it either, but they have the option of ignoring her.
Real intelligence can sometimes be off-putting - again, nobody likes to be made to feel stupid and if that's the effect one regularly has on the people one encounters, it's a problem. Or occasionally a feature. But real intelligence, like real strength or real capability, doesn't need to dominate everyone it encounters. Making a show of doing so indicates that the appearance may not reflect the reality. Nobody likes that guy, and even moreso, nobody likes that girl.
They've internalized the idea that the only two options are "strong, independent woman" or "Stepford wife/ bang maid/ chattel." Nobody ever taught them that surrendering to a valuable man does not mean surrendering the inner core of who they are, but rather the opposite: that it may very well give them the opportunity to become far more - and far more valuable - than they ever could by being "empowered" and refusing to ever bend.
Exactly. Intelligence correctly applied would have landed the smart independent lady a man ages ago, but she is utterly ignorant when it comes to making another person a priority.
It's a bad imitation of a good teacher's cutting comment. Someone who cares about you, someone above you in rank is disagreeable towards you repeating a retarded mistake once again. 'Please, stop being retarded and think.'
Girls inherently dislike when they make more than their man reportedly. If true, they thus substantially reduce the pool of potential mates with which they may be successful over time when they take high-paying jobs, er careers. Though they can also push their men to be more ambitious with the trade-offs that entails.
Well, I made 6x what my wife was making when we got hitched. She still complains on occasion as we have friends who have more stuff than us despite earning less. I point out they're debt slaves and we're not. I understand why the banks wanted women to have access to credit cards in the 70's, it's harder for the average woman to resist consumerism and instant gratification.
Blonde mouse in the blue dress is a genius addition to Hypergamouse! She's like a blank slate for every female reader to project themselves onto, and it's amazing how we can become her in our minds. The creative team deserves a lot of credit for making Hypergamouse such a huge success with this brilliant character. Her presence without a backstory, name, or detailed personality makes this a billion dollar franchise. She is the plate around which all the other characters are knives, forks, spoons, and she supports the panel entree. Brilliant-a relatable NPC. Brilliant.
Correct. Women have become the men they want to marry because of the fear of being locked down with a low-status man or being left with a high value man. They end up discovering that becoming a well-accomplished man takes 10 or more years, which leads them to being single at 30 or older.
So true. My daughter is 13 and a very innocent 13 at that. But I’ve already had many “father talks” with her. One was for her to imagine someday what a good husband and father would be. And then to consider what sort of woman that man would actually want. Light bulb moment for her. Seeds planted. Watering continues…
If you want a woman to talk about Aristotle and Charles Martel with you, you're not getting any women. They all keep up with Celebrity news, body and beauty products, they all watch the same TikTok -- and guess what? That's what the beautiful woman you fall for will do, too. They aren't gonna talk to you about.
At 18 I thought I'd find a hot girl into my politics.
I learned I prefer the apolitical and they will just agree with you anyway. I don't want my discussion of Vox Day's daily VP post to be what my wife wants to do after I get home...my god, once a delta grows up (like i did, thx VD), I can't think of anything worse than a woman into that.
I'm sure Spacebunny is perfect tho lol 👍
The women I knew in grad school all sat around watching afternoon soap operas, or reading mindless romance novels. They partied and got drunk every weekend. Just like the yoga instructor, our sigma used as an example.
There’s another thread currently raging on Substack that started with a woman complaining about men who, paraphrasing, “mate with dumb bitches”. SSH in action.
https://substack.com/@culturalfuturist/note/c-58649031?r=3cb5ey&utm_medium=ios&utm_source=notes-share-action
Simp central
The "men are intimidated" thing is a s-test. A woman wants a man of high enough caliber he won't be intimidated by her. All the while, she is neglecting her feminine duty to not be the type of woman who intimidates. And of course, like others have said, this supposed intimidation is usually just disinterest.
I'm a hypergamous man, I guess. We should beware of generalizations. Not all men are intellectuals and philosophers, they never were. It's the same with women. But if we venture into generalizations, men are more often "how things work" type, and women "how people work." I don't consider that a flaw, on the contrary, I consider it an insight into a world that is otherwise invisible to me.
Interesting comments. I have one set of great grandparents letters from the war. He was a flight engineer in a plane called a Lancaster, and he was lucky to survive the war. She managed the home and played bridge, a card game, with a card club. Their letters were full of encouragement and good news, very loving and with perfect penmanship, yet both were suffering greatly. I forgot about those letters until you mentioned your grandparents. You are correct. TV broke society. It broke everything.
I want to "like" this, but it would be entirely the wrong sentiment. Agree wholeheartedly, rather. My grandparents married before he deployed; she kept a photo of him that she kissed every night, which forever after had her lipstick stains on his cheek.
Oh my goodness. Our ancestors suffered so much. Thank you for sharing.
A burning question.
When one is enlightened by their own intelligence, are they intimidated by themself?
Don't confuse an uninterested man with an intimidated one. When it came to marriage, I wanted a wife, not a business partner.
That's the key question: what does one want in a partner? Many businessmen and well-placed politicians want a wife who will not complicate life and stay out of the way. Ordinary men can afford the luxury of an interesting and intriguing wife.
Kevin Samuels had a lock on this topic in the black community. He had an audio loop of Kaleesha “imma PhD” running in the background when one of these “intimidating” women called the show.
Hilarity ensued when Samuels dropped truth on them.
Oh I miss that man! I still listen to him on YouTube. The things he says serving the truth to women that don’t want to hear !
This brings to mind the immortal words of Oz to the Scarecrow: "I can't give you a brain, but I can give you a diploma."
Maybe this should be the universal university motto:
Tibi cerebrum dare non possum, sed diploma tibi vendere possum.
I can't give you a brain, but I can sell you a diploma.
Even the rare exception of an intelligent woman who reads real stuff has no interest in talking about it on a date. One unusual homeschooled young lady who's babysat my kids is an autodidact and read a lot of Aristotle on her own. She's complained to my wife about boys who want to talk philosophy with her on a first date. What she wants from a romantic relationship is the same as the unread Yoga Instructor.
I wouldn't blame men too much because seduction is an art, you have to find the right measure. You need to know how to read people. Here, for example, the babysitter who likes philosophy, on dates prefers romance to intellectual conversation, while another would have nothing against it. However, it is best to stick to romance.
I will see your autodidact and raise you a Johnnie who argued metaphysics with her true love on the regular. Now she was a pocket venus, but still, there are men who enjoy being friends with their wives.
And friends are friends *about* things.
It is orthogonal to sexual desire and family affection, but no less real for all that.
It's like what Epictetus wrote about valuing sheep for the wool, not the grass it eats and so on. Clever men do not value clever women. But clever men who value philosophy, and storytelling, and truth, will love and be loved by women who valye the same, and can keep up.
The "we are both looking in the same direction" is an aphrodisiac. Men and women who care about the thingness, if not repellant, have to get *past* it to stay friends.
This is how and why guys are friends shoulder to shoulder. If you're his friend, then you share his interest. And you're attentive to what's making his life better or worse. If he likes sports, then his friend likes sports. If you've not got a murderous eye contact, if you lose his target, if you find killing his enemy boring, then you're not his friend.
The woman who wants to be admired for her cleverness or intellect on a date is mistaking the date for a beauty pageant. Because if she isn't using that intellect to get rid of what's plaguing the hot guy, why would he ask her out again? He is looking for a woman who works to improve his life and to lessen his problems.
The "bare is back without brother behind it" was not what I was writing about. It is positively masculine, and not something a normal woman has a part in.
All that aside, "The woman who wants to be admired for her cleverness or intellect on a date is mistaking the date for a beauty pageant." is golden
"So, it’s not “intimidation” that inspires the lack of expected male interest, but rather the failure to utilize those theoretical advantages in a way that might actually stoke an amount of it."
Exactly. Too many women cling to the label "Intelligent" (whatever their actual intelligence may be) and conflate it with possessing authority and superiority. Thus they practically have a duty to dictate to everyone around them how they ought to live. People being people, and particularly men being men, very few adults enjoy being treated like a recalcitrant, stupid child. But since she is "intelligent," that's often the only way she knows how to treat other people. The cats don't like it either, but they have the option of ignoring her.
Real intelligence can sometimes be off-putting - again, nobody likes to be made to feel stupid and if that's the effect one regularly has on the people one encounters, it's a problem. Or occasionally a feature. But real intelligence, like real strength or real capability, doesn't need to dominate everyone it encounters. Making a show of doing so indicates that the appearance may not reflect the reality. Nobody likes that guy, and even moreso, nobody likes that girl.
In a way, it's a lack of intelligence, social intelligence.
"Conflate [intelligent] with possessing authority and superiority."
Some of them are too obsessed with the power struggle, refusing to surrender. Yet also repulsed by doormats. They are in a hell of their own making.
One of the only truths of romance media, is that the heroine needs to surrender her ego. The other is that the valuable man is ready to walk away.
They've internalized the idea that the only two options are "strong, independent woman" or "Stepford wife/ bang maid/ chattel." Nobody ever taught them that surrendering to a valuable man does not mean surrendering the inner core of who they are, but rather the opposite: that it may very well give them the opportunity to become far more - and far more valuable - than they ever could by being "empowered" and refusing to ever bend.
Intelligence is as meaningful as the weather without effective application.
Exactly. Intelligence correctly applied would have landed the smart independent lady a man ages ago, but she is utterly ignorant when it comes to making another person a priority.
This goes double if they believe being highly disagreeable and generally unpleasant to be around is a good use of their intelligence and education.
Jordan Peterson likes it, "Pride and Prejudice" too.
It's a bad imitation of a good teacher's cutting comment. Someone who cares about you, someone above you in rank is disagreeable towards you repeating a retarded mistake once again. 'Please, stop being retarded and think.'
Girls inherently dislike when they make more than their man reportedly. If true, they thus substantially reduce the pool of potential mates with which they may be successful over time when they take high-paying jobs, er careers. Though they can also push their men to be more ambitious with the trade-offs that entails.
My assessment is that at 3x their salary they dont have complaints. Less than that and they think they can do better.
Well, I made 6x what my wife was making when we got hitched. She still complains on occasion as we have friends who have more stuff than us despite earning less. I point out they're debt slaves and we're not. I understand why the banks wanted women to have access to credit cards in the 70's, it's harder for the average woman to resist consumerism and instant gratification.
If they drink Napa Cab, they ain't fab.
If they drink Brunello, make her your bedfellow.
Blonde mouse in the blue dress is a genius addition to Hypergamouse! She's like a blank slate for every female reader to project themselves onto, and it's amazing how we can become her in our minds. The creative team deserves a lot of credit for making Hypergamouse such a huge success with this brilliant character. Her presence without a backstory, name, or detailed personality makes this a billion dollar franchise. She is the plate around which all the other characters are knives, forks, spoons, and she supports the panel entree. Brilliant-a relatable NPC. Brilliant.
Intelligent woman believing that to attract a good man they must first become themselves what they find attractive in men is a solipsism chef’s kiss.
Correct. Women have become the men they want to marry because of the fear of being locked down with a low-status man or being left with a high value man. They end up discovering that becoming a well-accomplished man takes 10 or more years, which leads them to being single at 30 or older.
So true. My daughter is 13 and a very innocent 13 at that. But I’ve already had many “father talks” with her. One was for her to imagine someday what a good husband and father would be. And then to consider what sort of woman that man would actually want. Light bulb moment for her. Seeds planted. Watering continues…
I love this.