As a 6'2" omega, I think the only reasons women ever got with me was because I wasn't a complete retard and I reminded them of their dads. Yep, I think this all lines up.
For context, at 6'8", I'm on the inner fringe of height weirdness. I'm a situational alpha at work and at home, but naturally a bravo, and very much a delta when it comes to getting things done. Women were never an issue. I married a beautiful woman who’s 6'1" and, like me, was a collegiate athlete.
What isn't shocking for normal sized folks (which is GREAT BTW, you fit into literally everything since it's engineered for you!!) is how height is glorified without acknowledging the downsides. Don’t get me wrong, height has its perks in social settings, but like anything, it’s a mixed bag.
Now, the Napoleon complex crowd? Pathetic. Most don’t even realize they’re doing it. Some do and unexplainably dumb. We get it, we didn't earn our height, but we don't see you as less because you're not our size; you do that to yourself. Anyhow, I’ve noticed something over the years: there seems to be an inverse correlation between height and gamma behavior. I've met hundreds of men 6'5" and taller. Only a handful, maybe slightly more, fit the gamma mold. And the few who did almost always came from fatherless or deeply traumatized backgrounds.
What’s tragic is that these guys are often perceived as alphas purely because of their height. But in reality, they aren’t—and the consequences are brutal. I've watched them over the decades (I'm middle-aged now), and the wake left behind by gamma men pretending to be alpha is devastating. They normalize alpha behavior because it’s expected of them physically, but it’s not who they are internally. That dissonance breeds dysfunction for them and everyone around them.
I know a dude who is probably close to 5 6. US Marine veteran Gulf War 2. The dude is built like a keg. Leader of a group of men for his day job and although 50 has a very hot girlfriend who is 26.
One thing Ive always noted interacting with him, the short man insecurities are totally absent.
Definitely the exception to the rule for men on the short side- but there is a lesson in there somewhere
Height. Its fixed..whether a man likes it or not. If you're short-own it. Dont be a Dave Portnoy about it
Im 5 8". Over my life , Ive found that women on the taller side tend to be less obsessed with a mans height , especially if they find him attractive. Not sure why. Im married to a very pretty woman who is just shy of 5 9". In my past dated a lot of pretty women who were equal or slightly taller than me.
I had to look up "Dave Portnoy," and immediately placed the name with the pic in the post. I swear to God, I thought that guy in the pic was Mark Zuckerberg posing with some soccer boys.
There is that surgery some people do where they break the bones and split them so it calcifies further apart, you have to almost never leave the bed for months. I wonder, if breast augmentation was as troublesome to go through as this, how many women would still go for it.
Lionel Messi used HGH as kid to grow to 5'7". He would've been very, very short without it, as he has growth hormone deficiency, which prevented him from getting taller.
If you can afford it & if you come from a short family, get your children on HGH before puberty. It has minimal side effects when young.
I would consider it a mandatory thing to do, like orthokeratology / night time contacts for kids, to correct their vision, before their eyesight gets worse than 20/40.
I'm 5'7" and I have very large hands/small feet. Found that I was very attracted to a gentleman who was 6'3", but part of it was his hands were significantly larger than mine which is rare. Turned out to be a low Delta and I couldn't deal.
I'm 6'5" and many women have told me I am good looking; I have blonde hair and light eyes. This blog has really been eye opening for me as far as women. For most of my life I rarely have had women treat me badly. Now, I am happily married for almost 20 years, but women will still often flirt with me or hit on me if I am dressed nicely and am without the wife, or sometimes even with my wife there. At the very least, they are usually nice to me. I rarely get mistreated by most women in general, and as a result I have always felt comfortable around women, even though I'm a delta.
Reading this blog has certainly diminished my opinion of women and I had no idea the extent to which they tend to ignore or treat most men badly. Obviously I have seen some of this but always thought it was not the normal, not realizing how common this is.
I keep hearing a lot of stupid stuff from women through social media that they will only date someone 6'0" or taller and the like. Some women even have a ridiculous requirement that the guy be 6'4" or 6'5". If you're a woman and reading this, don't make those stupid standards, and don't say them out loud at the very least if you do. There are quite a few unicorns out there and good man that are not that tall. It must be discouraging if you are not tall to hear something moronic like that.
In high school, first love, her about 5'-2/3", me at exactly 5'-9"; one day, in a conversational lull, seemingly out of nowhere, she mentions "you're really short." Not just short, but really.
She never made an issue of it, or of my weight, round face, or whatever other faults I had at the time, but she was never shy about what she noticed.
Being tall as a man undoubtedly brings benefits but imo tends to be overstated.
People tend to judge others by what they themselves are good at. If you are good at 'being tall' then that will be a favoured metric.
However, I have found being shorter can sometimes be a sort of superpower. People do indeed subconsciously associate height with power, status and competence. But, importantly, tend to associate the opposite with shortness.
Throughout my whole career I noticed a pattern. Providing the individual didn't know me, I only had to turn in average work for it to be considered good, good work to be considered excellent and excellent work would fry their brains. It took me a while to figure out that my shortness lowered their expectations. It only works once of course but first impressions matter and in this regard I was gifted an easy 'in' on a number of occasions. It was generally all I needed.
And I had occasion to witness the opposite. A tall, eloquent and well mannered chap was recruited at work as a new manager.He obviously came from money. Dear God, I have never met a more incompetent person in my life. Not just
professionally but in general. Every where he went he left a trail of dashed hopes, broken dreams and crushing disappointment. He was never placed in the manager role, just about hanging on to a junior position.
I would, ten times over, rather be a competent short guy than a useless tall one. Judging by his utter lack of dating success, it appears women prefer that too.
"Being short is my advantage cuz I can do mediocre work and get away with it. The bar is lowered for me in more ways than one! Tall people are just useless smucks that are only good for reaching shelves!"
I'm pretty tall. It's not overstated. Have you seen women on social media? They all say they won't date anyone under 6'0", even though of course they would if they met a guy they like.
I'm 5' 3" and can only shake my head at guys taller than me who are ready to give up for being too short. I would be hard pressed to come up with a precise number for the women in my past, or even recall all their names. Some were average and forgettable, but there were quite a few who were in the 7 - 9 range.
What's odd is that they tended to pursue me with little reciprocal effort on my part. Perhaps they became so exasperated with my inattention that they just figured they would have to be the one to make a move. Who knows what I could have accomplished had I treated it as a priority and put in the effort, but I was always hyper-focused on my own pursuits and various missions and had little interest in marriage or kids, and women always seemed like a major time sink and more trouble than they were worth.
I can only guess what the women were drawn to -- never bothered to ask. I have been lifting weights and keeping fit since I was in my teens, and have frequently been told I look like some famous person or another at various times in my life (e.g, Brad Pitt, Howie Long, Mark Hammill). A "zero fucks given" before I even knew what game was probably had something to do with it. I'm definitely no alpha. I'm introverted, and aside from a small group of lifelong friends, have mostly been a loner all my life.
I'm a wealthy man now, and no longer have much interest in the women of clown world. The change in quality over my lifetime has been both dramatic and depressing. I much prefer women who are slim and feminine, with pleasant personalities. There are significantly more of those types of women overseas.
I would encourage short guys to follow the advice found in places like this in terms of focusing on self-improvement. I would also have them consider looking in places like Asia or Latin America if they have the means. In my experience, if they go looking, they will find places in the world where they are much better treated. Like money and fishing, men should go to where they are treated the best and where the largest schools are.
Good post for a first and last. Shows that height isn't everything. No one with a father or fraternal mentor should have any interest in the women of clown world
As a 6'2" omega, I think the only reasons women ever got with me was because I wasn't a complete retard and I reminded them of their dads. Yep, I think this all lines up.
In Muay Thai I have seen a guy way shorter than me.
But he was very muscular, had big tattoos and a savage air.
I have no doubts he has a lot of success with women.
For context, at 6'8", I'm on the inner fringe of height weirdness. I'm a situational alpha at work and at home, but naturally a bravo, and very much a delta when it comes to getting things done. Women were never an issue. I married a beautiful woman who’s 6'1" and, like me, was a collegiate athlete.
What isn't shocking for normal sized folks (which is GREAT BTW, you fit into literally everything since it's engineered for you!!) is how height is glorified without acknowledging the downsides. Don’t get me wrong, height has its perks in social settings, but like anything, it’s a mixed bag.
Now, the Napoleon complex crowd? Pathetic. Most don’t even realize they’re doing it. Some do and unexplainably dumb. We get it, we didn't earn our height, but we don't see you as less because you're not our size; you do that to yourself. Anyhow, I’ve noticed something over the years: there seems to be an inverse correlation between height and gamma behavior. I've met hundreds of men 6'5" and taller. Only a handful, maybe slightly more, fit the gamma mold. And the few who did almost always came from fatherless or deeply traumatized backgrounds.
What’s tragic is that these guys are often perceived as alphas purely because of their height. But in reality, they aren’t—and the consequences are brutal. I've watched them over the decades (I'm middle-aged now), and the wake left behind by gamma men pretending to be alpha is devastating. They normalize alpha behavior because it’s expected of them physically, but it’s not who they are internally. That dissonance breeds dysfunction for them and everyone around them.
Great post, VD!
I know a dude who is probably close to 5 6. US Marine veteran Gulf War 2. The dude is built like a keg. Leader of a group of men for his day job and although 50 has a very hot girlfriend who is 26.
One thing Ive always noted interacting with him, the short man insecurities are totally absent.
Definitely the exception to the rule for men on the short side- but there is a lesson in there somewhere
Height. Its fixed..whether a man likes it or not. If you're short-own it. Dont be a Dave Portnoy about it
Im 5 8". Over my life , Ive found that women on the taller side tend to be less obsessed with a mans height , especially if they find him attractive. Not sure why. Im married to a very pretty woman who is just shy of 5 9". In my past dated a lot of pretty women who were equal or slightly taller than me.
I had to look up "Dave Portnoy," and immediately placed the name with the pic in the post. I swear to God, I thought that guy in the pic was Mark Zuckerberg posing with some soccer boys.
Naturally women want tall men. I'm a man and I want giant huge friends. Vox has a giant friend. Most big men I knew were good guys.
There is that surgery some people do where they break the bones and split them so it calcifies further apart, you have to almost never leave the bed for months. I wonder, if breast augmentation was as troublesome to go through as this, how many women would still go for it.
Lionel Messi used HGH as kid to grow to 5'7". He would've been very, very short without it, as he has growth hormone deficiency, which prevented him from getting taller.
If you can afford it & if you come from a short family, get your children on HGH before puberty. It has minimal side effects when young.
I would consider it a mandatory thing to do, like orthokeratology / night time contacts for kids, to correct their vision, before their eyesight gets worse than 20/40.
Another social reformer, out to create Utopia.
Give your kids hormones while they are growing, no side effects! Not that there has been a single control study.
I would consider it mandatory to put people like you on ice flows.
That's retarded.
Height is like Cup size.
I'm 5'7" and I have very large hands/small feet. Found that I was very attracted to a gentleman who was 6'3", but part of it was his hands were significantly larger than mine which is rare. Turned out to be a low Delta and I couldn't deal.
I'm 6'5" and many women have told me I am good looking; I have blonde hair and light eyes. This blog has really been eye opening for me as far as women. For most of my life I rarely have had women treat me badly. Now, I am happily married for almost 20 years, but women will still often flirt with me or hit on me if I am dressed nicely and am without the wife, or sometimes even with my wife there. At the very least, they are usually nice to me. I rarely get mistreated by most women in general, and as a result I have always felt comfortable around women, even though I'm a delta.
Reading this blog has certainly diminished my opinion of women and I had no idea the extent to which they tend to ignore or treat most men badly. Obviously I have seen some of this but always thought it was not the normal, not realizing how common this is.
I keep hearing a lot of stupid stuff from women through social media that they will only date someone 6'0" or taller and the like. Some women even have a ridiculous requirement that the guy be 6'4" or 6'5". If you're a woman and reading this, don't make those stupid standards, and don't say them out loud at the very least if you do. There are quite a few unicorns out there and good man that are not that tall. It must be discouraging if you are not tall to hear something moronic like that.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sN1htMBShQ4
I think most women want a man with the ideal height of 6'2". The average woman is about 5'4". That's the 10" thing.
Likewise, men want a woman that is around the ideal female height of 5'6". The average man being 5'9" gives you the 3" difference thing.
Standing 6'4", I would not have preferred a woman that was only 3" shorter at 6'1". That's pretty tall for a girl. I prefer a woman around 5'7".
I'm a friggin' weirdo, so I want[ed] a 7' She-Hulk.
Not that I wouldn't [have] settled for a 5'4" German nerd girl.
In high school, first love, her about 5'-2/3", me at exactly 5'-9"; one day, in a conversational lull, seemingly out of nowhere, she mentions "you're really short." Not just short, but really.
She never made an issue of it, or of my weight, round face, or whatever other faults I had at the time, but she was never shy about what she noticed.
I never forgot that.
"Taller than you, midget."
Caucasian women are taller, only a few African black races have taller woman.
So, if you're a bit on the short side and feeling disadvantaged because of that, consider moving your hunting to the Latinas or Asians.
Being tall as a man undoubtedly brings benefits but imo tends to be overstated.
People tend to judge others by what they themselves are good at. If you are good at 'being tall' then that will be a favoured metric.
However, I have found being shorter can sometimes be a sort of superpower. People do indeed subconsciously associate height with power, status and competence. But, importantly, tend to associate the opposite with shortness.
Throughout my whole career I noticed a pattern. Providing the individual didn't know me, I only had to turn in average work for it to be considered good, good work to be considered excellent and excellent work would fry their brains. It took me a while to figure out that my shortness lowered their expectations. It only works once of course but first impressions matter and in this regard I was gifted an easy 'in' on a number of occasions. It was generally all I needed.
And I had occasion to witness the opposite. A tall, eloquent and well mannered chap was recruited at work as a new manager.He obviously came from money. Dear God, I have never met a more incompetent person in my life. Not just
professionally but in general. Every where he went he left a trail of dashed hopes, broken dreams and crushing disappointment. He was never placed in the manager role, just about hanging on to a junior position.
I would, ten times over, rather be a competent short guy than a useless tall one. Judging by his utter lack of dating success, it appears women prefer that too.
>overstated benefits of being tall
If I was 3 inches shorter I'm 95% certain I'd be a kissless virgin.
"Being short is my advantage cuz I can do mediocre work and get away with it. The bar is lowered for me in more ways than one! Tall people are just useless smucks that are only good for reaching shelves!"
There abouts.
"...I have found being shorter can sometimes be a sort of superpower."
Like being able to crawl under the couch to collect things for people when they drop them.
I'm pretty tall. It's not overstated. Have you seen women on social media? They all say they won't date anyone under 6'0", even though of course they would if they met a guy they like.
Are you even listening to yourself?
"If you are good at 'being tall' then that will be a favoured metric... I have found being shorter can sometimes be a sort of superpower."
And this somehow trumps all the objective metrics, from observable female preferences to Fortune 500 CEO because you once met a tall, incompetent guy?
My first and last post.
I'm 5' 3" and can only shake my head at guys taller than me who are ready to give up for being too short. I would be hard pressed to come up with a precise number for the women in my past, or even recall all their names. Some were average and forgettable, but there were quite a few who were in the 7 - 9 range.
What's odd is that they tended to pursue me with little reciprocal effort on my part. Perhaps they became so exasperated with my inattention that they just figured they would have to be the one to make a move. Who knows what I could have accomplished had I treated it as a priority and put in the effort, but I was always hyper-focused on my own pursuits and various missions and had little interest in marriage or kids, and women always seemed like a major time sink and more trouble than they were worth.
I can only guess what the women were drawn to -- never bothered to ask. I have been lifting weights and keeping fit since I was in my teens, and have frequently been told I look like some famous person or another at various times in my life (e.g, Brad Pitt, Howie Long, Mark Hammill). A "zero fucks given" before I even knew what game was probably had something to do with it. I'm definitely no alpha. I'm introverted, and aside from a small group of lifelong friends, have mostly been a loner all my life.
I'm a wealthy man now, and no longer have much interest in the women of clown world. The change in quality over my lifetime has been both dramatic and depressing. I much prefer women who are slim and feminine, with pleasant personalities. There are significantly more of those types of women overseas.
I would encourage short guys to follow the advice found in places like this in terms of focusing on self-improvement. I would also have them consider looking in places like Asia or Latin America if they have the means. In my experience, if they go looking, they will find places in the world where they are much better treated. Like money and fishing, men should go to where they are treated the best and where the largest schools are.
Good post for a first and last. Shows that height isn't everything. No one with a father or fraternal mentor should have any interest in the women of clown world