That's exactly how it went with my one of my girlfriends of several years. She was a major alcoholic and our first date was a potluck at the local hippie house followed by a going-away party at a Black girl's apartment that was right on the edge of "the hood", so to speak. She had basically invited all the neighbors in and my future girlfriend was the star of the dance floor, completely blasted and having a great time being center of a lot of very questionable attention.
Well eventually the party was winding down and she sobered-up enough to realize she was surrounded by homies all looking at each other trying to decide how to divide the spoils up. I had been hanging out with other friends and already decided the date was a failure, but one of the dudes had seen us come in together and he asked if she was my girlfriend. At that moment she was not, but the look she gave me clearly indicated that there would be severe physical ramifications on my personal health if I didn't say, "Yes."
So I did, and she was. It was probably the least awkward relationship talk I've ever had, though obviously not for her lol.
She still calls me once in a while deep into a box of wine and gets overly-emotional about her abortions and failed relationships she's had since I broke up with her. It's depressing, but since I was a Gamma at the time I never would have had her respect though she wanted me to pay all her bills, impregnate her, ect.
Too bad I didn't know about the SSH back then, I might have made it work since we were quite compatible other than some of her feminist beliefs and sometimes drinking, things you can iron-out with the proper tools. Young Gamma men today are going to have a lot of advantages that weren't available to those of us who had to claw our way up to Sigma with nothing but grit. This blog is a treasure and although I don't always agree with everything here 100%, it's always a good read and informative. Thank you VD!
Well the abortions and the major feminism came way after we were done, but yes I do think a minor attitude issue and a drinking problem can be fixed theoretically.
Kiko, you will always be a Gamma. That’s nothing to be ashamed of. It’s just simply means it’s impossible to change your core behavior patterns. You can only suppress your bad traits and reinforce your good ones.
Yeah maybe. I don't know it's just easier to go through life with the Sigma mindset rather than constantly trying to correct behavior patterns which are mainly caused by my self-conscious over-reaction to normal social anxiety. Fake it to make it, right?
In my experience only the Holy Spirit can remove negative mental tendencies. But pride that results from being in the "zone" and other sins brought me back down to a lower place than before.
The SSH is fractal. Meaning you have behavioral tendencies and blindspots it's useful to be aware of regardless of what your current situational status is.
You will be an Alpha, a Bravo, a Delta, or a Gamma at some point depending on what group you're in and how many people are involved. Don't fall back into a delusion bubble, lying to yourself. It may make you feel better but it doesn't help you or the other people around you. Focus on being a better version of yourself.
Approached? You mean “been approached by”? Women approaching me? Hahaha that'll be the day! They probably think I'm still a Gamna having not studied the SSH (or even heard of it beyond memes).
I mean you read a bunch of stuff and you react to it exactly like how a gamma would. Of course you're still a gamma and people react to you as if you are a gamma, because you are. With what idea are you even reading this?
Yes. It’s like people using humor to hide dementia. “Oh I can pretend to be phony gamma so that means I’m not gamma” leaves a comment on my restacks then it disappears when reality catches up
I made this mistake recently. While the tendencies can be directed in better behaviors. The instinct is there. We can't develop the emotional detachment a Sigma inherently has. Vox's recently example of challenging the entire enlightenment proves that we are not like him because we can't even conceive of that level of not caring about challenging anything. We are too much concerned about probability of success.
Maybe my understanding of the Sigma is flawed, I'll have to get Vox’s SSH book when it comes out and read up on the subject. Perhaps I'm just in a limbo, not high status enough to be Sigma, but also not a part of the conventional hierarchy. One problem I've been having is just identifying Alphas at all. I've tried to organize events and fund-raising at my church but basically get shutdown because there is no Alpha to sign ideas off on. The most Alpha guys I can identify are basically wife-slaves and without activities, tasks, or gathering space it's impossible to hash out the pecking-order of the menfolk.
"I've tried to organize events and fund-raising at my church but basically get shutdown because there is no Alpha to sign ideas off on."
If you're as high status as you think you are, you wouldn't need an Alpha to sign ideas off on. You would just do it and people would gravitate to your success.
The fact you're Gammaing up the comments here and nipping at the girls in this thread demonstrates you've got an active delusion bubble.
Correct. My Sigma friend singlehandedly got a regular men's monastery pilgrimage started at our church. No alpha chucking people into line, just a thing he does and men clamor to join. Less people than an alpha led initiative but the group is absolutely dedicated.
I, like you, am constant and ardent in the defense of all maidenhood! Indeed, I place a restless hand on my keyboard at the merest hint of impropriety. Unlike some of the foul-mouthed brutes in this thread, I care, truly and to the marrow itself, for the tender emotions of our “better halves”.
I won't name any miscreant names, for that would spur their malice to greater heights, however, I would have you know that my poor alcoholic ex-girlfriend, who even tried to force me to father her child in her desire to live a sedentary and consummately feminine life as homemaker, has been slandered most viscously. Ah, but the gorge rises… ah: the humanity!
But this is neither here nor there and sealed lips shall prevent any harm from coming to the poor thing. We must live and let live in this vale of tears we call Earth.
However, if I have in any way cast a shadow of Gamma upon the fairer countenances of this comment thread, be assured my apologies are ready and eager to spring forth and sooth their scandalized femininity, lest creeped-out goosebumps may blossom on the flesh of these goddesses for even a moment. Nay, by my mouse, nay, nor even for an instant!
As I perceive you are a man of chivalry, as am I, your presumed apology for the above misunderstanding is accepted. No further words are necessary. However, if this matter is not settled in you mind by all means PM me and we shall come to accounts on the field of battle of your choosing; I ask only that if I don't own the IP then let your choice of duel-ground be on Steam sale.
This is the whole problem with "change my rank" mentality.
All you are doing is redefining your behaviour. It doesnt matter if you call it high status, sigma etc, it's still the same gamma behaviour. You see nothing wrong with your behaviour and why should you. It's what you know.
Also , you dont know any alphas. And what is it with guys like you assuming ppl are "slaves to their wives"? Hello? You pine after alchoolics and have no self respect. Don't assume ppl who love their wives have the same dysfunctional patterns.
Oh, he's not redefining. He's solipsistic to the point of retardation. "They probably think I'm still a Gamma having not studied the SSH" the whole concept of behavior and status is beyond him. He can't make the link.
That was my ticket from 3 to 4, engaged to gamma to married to delta - I grew out my hair! Was surprised until I looked back at the article with the 5 female tiers and Normal Jane is above Chaste Coyote.
Happy to be corrected on this one, but sounds like you interacted with some fools.
Yes, there’s a point where you have to ask “Does this woman see enough of me that the man she is interested in and the man she thinks she is interested in closely approximate each other?”. But if she knows who you are and is still interested, it’s not your job to decide on her behalf that she could do better!
Gosh, I’m so glad to see this. I’m in the same category as you and was always so confused about why deltas in real life were not interested in me, especially when I would see them go after women who were less attractive.
I think being on the higher or lower side of the tiers can be confusing. The majority of women are mid-tier, so most dating discourse you hear or read is from their perspective and only makes things worse for those in the higher or lower tiers.
Women that are naturally pretty don't need to do anything to maximize their appearance, unless they are into the kind of guy who cares about such things and those are few and far between
I could be convinced low status men sabotage. High status men in my family gave me genuine compliments but never subtitled “you’re so perfect please never improve yourself” however gammas do. They do a lot of effeminate things. My delta husband is even capable of avoiding that style of “complimenting.”
I’ll give you that it can depend on the social context. I only saw my uncle‘s wife in makeup once and she blew everyone completely out of the water. She is very high social awareness so I think she does that to blend a little better.
For most of us even if men tell us they can’t tell we’re not wearing makeup, putting it on gives a confidence boost so more attractive.
This is the best place to come for entertainment.
Bravo or Delta? Too soon to say.
Definitely Delta. But one on a good path.
Delta. But building up his strengths.
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I must say, your WoT is much more coherent than the one below.
Sperg?
That's exactly how it went with my one of my girlfriends of several years. She was a major alcoholic and our first date was a potluck at the local hippie house followed by a going-away party at a Black girl's apartment that was right on the edge of "the hood", so to speak. She had basically invited all the neighbors in and my future girlfriend was the star of the dance floor, completely blasted and having a great time being center of a lot of very questionable attention.
Well eventually the party was winding down and she sobered-up enough to realize she was surrounded by homies all looking at each other trying to decide how to divide the spoils up. I had been hanging out with other friends and already decided the date was a failure, but one of the dudes had seen us come in together and he asked if she was my girlfriend. At that moment she was not, but the look she gave me clearly indicated that there would be severe physical ramifications on my personal health if I didn't say, "Yes."
So I did, and she was. It was probably the least awkward relationship talk I've ever had, though obviously not for her lol.
She still calls me once in a while deep into a box of wine and gets overly-emotional about her abortions and failed relationships she's had since I broke up with her. It's depressing, but since I was a Gamma at the time I never would have had her respect though she wanted me to pay all her bills, impregnate her, ect.
Too bad I didn't know about the SSH back then, I might have made it work since we were quite compatible other than some of her feminist beliefs and sometimes drinking, things you can iron-out with the proper tools. Young Gamma men today are going to have a lot of advantages that weren't available to those of us who had to claw our way up to Sigma with nothing but grit. This blog is a treasure and although I don't always agree with everything here 100%, it's always a good read and informative. Thank you VD!
“Major alcoholic.”
“Feminist beliefs.”
“Abortions.”
You think these are “things you can iron out.”
You are either a troll, or absolutely delusional.
Well the abortions and the major feminism came way after we were done, but yes I do think a minor attitude issue and a drinking problem can be fixed theoretically.
Minor? That's demon possession territory.
I see you haven’t yet “gritted” away leaving boring incoherent walls of text.
Which part of my "wall of text" (which has paragraphs, just saying) needs clarification?
I mean, you're obviously trolling (you even made use of parentheticals).
You must be baiting Vox to make a dedicated post about you. All that is missing is a proper meltdown.
Keep it up and good luck.
Ok, thanks for the grammatical advice brother 👍
Kiko, you will always be a Gamma. That’s nothing to be ashamed of. It’s just simply means it’s impossible to change your core behavior patterns. You can only suppress your bad traits and reinforce your good ones.
You will never be a Sigma.
Yeah maybe. I don't know it's just easier to go through life with the Sigma mindset rather than constantly trying to correct behavior patterns which are mainly caused by my self-conscious over-reaction to normal social anxiety. Fake it to make it, right?
In my experience only the Holy Spirit can remove negative mental tendencies. But pride that results from being in the "zone" and other sins brought me back down to a lower place than before.
No. You can't fake Sigma. You are fooling no one.
Focus on becoming a better Gamma rather than a laughing stock.
The SSH is fractal. Meaning you have behavioral tendencies and blindspots it's useful to be aware of regardless of what your current situational status is.
You will be an Alpha, a Bravo, a Delta, or a Gamma at some point depending on what group you're in and how many people are involved. Don't fall back into a delusion bubble, lying to yourself. It may make you feel better but it doesn't help you or the other people around you. Focus on being a better version of yourself.
How's that working out for you when your answering calls from drunks to listen to them whine?
It's not the most pleasant experience I've had
Then stop doing it.
Being the emotional tampon for an alcoholic sl*t who murdered her own children is just about the lowest status behavior possible.
This! I couldn't imagine wasting time like that. Don't take the calls. Move on.
Lol that's life buddy
"though obviously not for her lol."
Ah, the classic Sigma lol. I mean, which Sigma doesn't end his sentences with a quirky "lol"?
Just out of curiosity: By how many 9s and up have you been approached since you turned Sigma?
Approached? You mean “been approached by”? Women approaching me? Hahaha that'll be the day! They probably think I'm still a Gamna having not studied the SSH (or even heard of it beyond memes).
You get a free pass for this if you're under 20. If not, this is totally sperg territory.
What do you mean?
I mean you read a bunch of stuff and you react to it exactly like how a gamma would. Of course you're still a gamma and people react to you as if you are a gamma, because you are. With what idea are you even reading this?
Everyone is entitled to their opinion I suppose
Are you trolling, deluded, retarded or a combination of the three?
Yes. It’s like people using humor to hide dementia. “Oh I can pretend to be phony gamma so that means I’m not gamma” leaves a comment on my restacks then it disappears when reality catches up
From one Gamma to another: cast off your delusions, your life will be better for it.
That's what I've done, thanks to Sigma Game and other SSH resources online 👍
I made this mistake recently. While the tendencies can be directed in better behaviors. The instinct is there. We can't develop the emotional detachment a Sigma inherently has. Vox's recently example of challenging the entire enlightenment proves that we are not like him because we can't even conceive of that level of not caring about challenging anything. We are too much concerned about probability of success.
Maybe my understanding of the Sigma is flawed, I'll have to get Vox’s SSH book when it comes out and read up on the subject. Perhaps I'm just in a limbo, not high status enough to be Sigma, but also not a part of the conventional hierarchy. One problem I've been having is just identifying Alphas at all. I've tried to organize events and fund-raising at my church but basically get shutdown because there is no Alpha to sign ideas off on. The most Alpha guys I can identify are basically wife-slaves and without activities, tasks, or gathering space it's impossible to hash out the pecking-order of the menfolk.
"I've tried to organize events and fund-raising at my church but basically get shutdown because there is no Alpha to sign ideas off on."
If you're as high status as you think you are, you wouldn't need an Alpha to sign ideas off on. You would just do it and people would gravitate to your success.
The fact you're Gammaing up the comments here and nipping at the girls in this thread demonstrates you've got an active delusion bubble.
Correct. My Sigma friend singlehandedly got a regular men's monastery pilgrimage started at our church. No alpha chucking people into line, just a thing he does and men clamor to join. Less people than an alpha led initiative but the group is absolutely dedicated.
“Nipping”?? You are mistaken, sir!
I, like you, am constant and ardent in the defense of all maidenhood! Indeed, I place a restless hand on my keyboard at the merest hint of impropriety. Unlike some of the foul-mouthed brutes in this thread, I care, truly and to the marrow itself, for the tender emotions of our “better halves”.
I won't name any miscreant names, for that would spur their malice to greater heights, however, I would have you know that my poor alcoholic ex-girlfriend, who even tried to force me to father her child in her desire to live a sedentary and consummately feminine life as homemaker, has been slandered most viscously. Ah, but the gorge rises… ah: the humanity!
But this is neither here nor there and sealed lips shall prevent any harm from coming to the poor thing. We must live and let live in this vale of tears we call Earth.
However, if I have in any way cast a shadow of Gamma upon the fairer countenances of this comment thread, be assured my apologies are ready and eager to spring forth and sooth their scandalized femininity, lest creeped-out goosebumps may blossom on the flesh of these goddesses for even a moment. Nay, by my mouse, nay, nor even for an instant!
As I perceive you are a man of chivalry, as am I, your presumed apology for the above misunderstanding is accepted. No further words are necessary. However, if this matter is not settled in you mind by all means PM me and we shall come to accounts on the field of battle of your choosing; I ask only that if I don't own the IP then let your choice of duel-ground be on Steam sale.
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This is the whole problem with "change my rank" mentality.
All you are doing is redefining your behaviour. It doesnt matter if you call it high status, sigma etc, it's still the same gamma behaviour. You see nothing wrong with your behaviour and why should you. It's what you know.
Also , you dont know any alphas. And what is it with guys like you assuming ppl are "slaves to their wives"? Hello? You pine after alchoolics and have no self respect. Don't assume ppl who love their wives have the same dysfunctional patterns.
Oh, he's not redefining. He's solipsistic to the point of retardation. "They probably think I'm still a Gamma having not studied the SSH" the whole concept of behavior and status is beyond him. He can't make the link.
I'm not in a self-reflective mood, but that's an interesting take.
As far as finding Alphas, one would assume in any group of males there would be a situational Alpha at least.
This explains why every “high status behavior” is so fail.
Gamma at that time.....
Claw my way up to sigma with nothing but grit? That's hilarious..
Bless him
He looked life in the eye, and gave it a firm handshake
Well, at least he's presenting a positive attitude, rather than saying it's the end of the world.
You know it's art when two mice falling in love can make you grin at your phone. Very Gucci!
Clearly red headed fates are more easily accepted than many others.
That was my ticket from 3 to 4, engaged to gamma to married to delta - I grew out my hair! Was surprised until I looked back at the article with the 5 female tiers and Normal Jane is above Chaste Coyote.
What's the too chaste for deltas thing? I thought they preferred chaste since it's an indicator of loyalty and less competition?
Happy to be corrected on this one, but sounds like you interacted with some fools.
Yes, there’s a point where you have to ask “Does this woman see enough of me that the man she is interested in and the man she thinks she is interested in closely approximate each other?”. But if she knows who you are and is still interested, it’s not your job to decide on her behalf that she could do better!
Is there a link to the article? TIA!
What is that like? I have a daughter that will be prettier than me and I don’t want to set her up to fail…
Gosh, I’m so glad to see this. I’m in the same category as you and was always so confused about why deltas in real life were not interested in me, especially when I would see them go after women who were less attractive.
I think being on the higher or lower side of the tiers can be confusing. The majority of women are mid-tier, so most dating discourse you hear or read is from their perspective and only makes things worse for those in the higher or lower tiers.
Women that are naturally pretty don't need to do anything to maximize their appearance, unless they are into the kind of guy who cares about such things and those are few and far between
I could be convinced low status men sabotage. High status men in my family gave me genuine compliments but never subtitled “you’re so perfect please never improve yourself” however gammas do. They do a lot of effeminate things. My delta husband is even capable of avoiding that style of “complimenting.”
I’ll give you that it can depend on the social context. I only saw my uncle‘s wife in makeup once and she blew everyone completely out of the water. She is very high social awareness so I think she does that to blend a little better.
For most of us even if men tell us they can’t tell we’re not wearing makeup, putting it on gives a confidence boost so more attractive.
I love this, that is so well said! Thank you very much!