I was not told once in my entire life that remaining a virgin until marriage was a good idea. The closest I got was "don't sleep around, because once you get a reputation as a slut, it stays with you."
I spent a large chunk of my youth - my prettiest, most energetic, best years - confused and aimless. I worked minimum wage jobs I hated. Luckily, my terror of student loan debt kept me from wasting even more of myself going to college. I think if I'd gone to college, I'd have fallen completely in the trap.
Pretty much the moment I fell in love with my husband, all my female instincts had an anchor to push against, and everything suddenly made sense. Loving a man who treated me like a woman shattered decades of feminist programming (that plus the eye opening advice I've gotten from people like Vox and Owen.)
I lost about a decade of my life - not too bad compared with what some women lose, but if this message can hit the youth and parents of young ones, all the better.
" Meltdown has a place for you as a schizophrenic HIV+ transsexual chinese-latino stim-addicted LA hooker with implanted mirrorshades and a bad attitude."
The modern woman is in the state of the Prodigal Son in the parable. "If I return to my father's house and live as a house slave, I'll still be better off than I am here on my own." Of course, we as Christians know how the parable actually turns out. We need to take the lesson of the faithful son as well.
Good read, insightful, thanks. I got married at 20, will I be 40 next month. Long faithful marriage, honored to serve him. We both work but no kids. At 20 yo we ate the modern feminist view up , got married and said no kids. I aged and learned better and around anniversary year 10 I asked about kids. He said no. I asked again a few years later, he said no again, firmer this time. I haven't brought it up again, my husband spoke and I listened. I know I've met that wall and motherhood is out of my reach. What is the advice to someone with regret, who realizes they shunned their greatest duty but did so in obedience to their husbands wishes? The natural urge and longing to be a mother set in when the hypno fog lifted and I saw the modern lady take for what is was: sinister. You can't escape nature and I want to visit my younger self to school her and then slap her. She deserved to know there was a higher calling in motherhood. We both work, I have since was a teen non stop. I have a great protector and leader in my man. But got to be honest, what could have been is haunting me.
I went many years without a child. Spending time with my nieces and nephews was a godsend. Also teaching little ones in church. It’s not the same as having your own, but being loved and trusted by these children gave me real fulfillment and joy.
I don't have anything at all in the way of advice, but I'm praying for you right now. This is hard to even read. So sorry. Cling to Jesus and let Him comfort you. And, who knows? Maybe give you a little baby somehow. He's pretty amazing, and you're only forty.
The you who was is no more, and she cannot be helped. You will reap what you have sown, unless God grants the gifts he gave Sarai and Hannah.
However, there are many who could be spared this fate. They need to be guided, and you may be able to provide that guidance. Be friend, sister, mother, mentor to those whose choices are yet to be made and teach them not to suffer as you suffer. Where you can, aid them materially in doing what is best, so that their path may be smoothed and your advice may have life.
It takes great love to humble yourself for the sake of another in this way, and I pray the Lord bless you and strengthen you.
I honor you for your faithful submission to your husband. May the Lord bless you.
Like you, I feel the pain of childlessness. I'm 51, and have been married to my dear wife for 25 years. We both wanted children, but she had infertility issues. We should have probably adopted, but didn't. I have a lot of regret.
Your situation is different.
I am convinced that willful permanent barrenness is a very serious sin against God.
You didn't say whether or not the two of you are Christians, but in some ways it doesn't matter. The God of the Bible is the Creator of all, and His Moral Law applies to all.
I believe your husband has erred very badly, and defrauded you of your God given right to try to become a mother.
Exodus 21:10 tells that even the slave concubine wife in a polygamous household had certain Divinely mandated rights, including food, clothing, and marital rights of sexual intercourse (which clearly included the right to try to become a mother).
Those really are fundamental rights for a wife.
I'm glad you have seen the error of feminism. I encourage you to continue graciously submitting to your husband while also crying out to God to change his heart (see 1st Peter 3:1-2).
I'm sorry, but part of my response seems to have been cut off. I wanted to say that Exodus 21:10 tells us that the wife has a God given right to certain things, including food, clothing, and marital rights (right to sexual intercourse and the right to try to become a mother).
I encourage you to continue graciously submitting to your husband, while also fervently praying that God will grant him faith and repentance (see 1st Peter 3:1-2).
So it seems of all fruits of the Enlightenment. The light blinds you to the thieves at your left and right, and the honeyed words glue you to the oars.
As a teen, i was not allowed to get a normal job to earn pocket money. I was only allowed to babysit, do household chores, and then later take care of my 89 year old great grandmother. But my younger brother was encouraged to get a job, and the one he wanted most was city trash-bc they payed their high school boys very well. At the time, i was incensed: i was the only one that i knew of who had never held a "real" job. I thought my family was putting me at a disadvantage. But now i know they were giving me a huge edge. I was paid with personal checks, an amount close to what a home nurse would have made bc, to my family, they would rather the money go to family than a stranger. My brother's first paycheck was an eyeopener- 25% of it gone to taxes and other gov't programs. This is a very belated thank you to my parents and extended family for keeping me out of the system as much as possible, and for teaching me to love the work that truly matters.
In the coldest sense, this matter is a self correcting problem in the macro.
But, putting aside the ebb and flow of human suffering, on an individual level...
Women, flee from the the stayr's den, for he is a devourer of flesh, nothing will be left after his abuse, only a miracle will preserve your mind in a battered worn body.
Men, flee from the grotto of the nymph for she is a devourer of flesh, nothing will be left after her abuse, only a miracle will preserve your mind in a broken ragged body.
If you should become either nymph or satyr, then god help you and your victims.
It is madness to believe that being something less than a beast is preferable to husband or wife.
Only a chump believes forty years in a cubicle or office is "liberation." I don't have a career, I have a job. The best part of my day is when leave my job and return home to my family.
I have what people refer to as a "career," the best part of my day is also when I leave it and return home. Society wants you to pretend that jobs are careers and careers are callings. Very, very few people have callings.
I would’ve been better off only being at home having a lot of children and grandchildren. But the feminist made what should’ve been my life down to just a few years.
I have been fighting against this since the 80s when I was 12 years old when I first heard that women “ had” to work. I managed to have my short few years, but it should’ve been a lifetime.
Having women do men’s jobs like firemen and policeman are killing everyone.
Not to mention 99.4% of sewer and water workers are men, and we would not have any drink without them so whoever says women need a man like a fish needs a bicycle needs to go on their own island and figure out a way to drink the water because water comes from men
Great point. And let's not forget how important the work of clean water and sewage removal has been in relation to nearly all diseases. Especially pandemic causing diseases.
Clean potable water and sanitation eliminated smallpox. Many dirty jobs of the world done by men have saved millions of lives.
I’ve just followed you if you could follow me back I think I’m gonna start writing about this. Janet Bloomfield. Wrote a book about this about how men really got the shaft. I want to start writing about this too. I want to tell the whole world the statistics of how badly women are doing in men men’s jobs!
Absolutely, sir! Garbage men are the number one person killed on duty even more so than firemen or policeman!
They get sick all the time and they get hit by cars all the time They have the number one most dangerous job and I don’t see any females trying to rush to do it!!!
We will bury feminism when we start in the Church.
I went to a seminary 25 years ago. It was a conservative seminary in a conservative denomination.
We were taught in our entry level ministry class, for example, that a man should abandon his career for a few years and take care of the kids so his wife could take a few years to build her career. Along with a host of other feminist crap.
The result is that we see this junk pushed in our churches. Frankly, I was influenced by it and it caused all sorts of problems in the beginning of my marriage, because, of course, women do not actually want equality. They want a strong man to lead them. I wonder how many divorces their evil teachings caused.
Now we are finding out that a ton of this has been financed by Soros.
The church must become as opposed and vehement towards feminism as it is towards abortion.
Many talk about repealing the right to vote for women, but it'll start with the church actually teaching biblical teachings about men and women and living it out, instead of falling in line with, and teaching, Soros's agenda.
Then, much like we have with abortion, we'll obtain a victory in this area in politics and public policy.
What's amazing is that the people who practice Christianity as a profession didn't have the wisdom to heed the warnings in the first book of the Bible.
Soros is merely a servant to Satan so no need to beat around the bush with blaming soon to be dead humans. The agenda is Satan's and has been since the beginning.
Breaking up the family unit and causing man to sin has been the agenda all along to prepare for the final battle of good vs evil, which has a prophetic winner when Jesus returns.
However, I think it shocked me to find out that a bunch of our so-called "leaders" are taking money from someone like Soros.
The point of talking about it is so that we understand that Christians should not trust most of the public leadership because they are on Satan's payroll. See David Platt, or Tim Keller, or Francis Collins, etc. etc. etc.
And your local church pastor might have been brainwashed at one of those seminaries.
It sounds like someone else is also reading "Shepherds for Sale" by Megan Basham, or listening to "Conversations that matter" with Jon Harris.
I use to respect Tim Kellar, until I read Dalrock take him down. Zachary Garris is also pretty good at taking Kellar down a couple notches in his books "Masculine Christianity" and "Honor your Fathers".
Jon Harris and AD Robles opened my eyes to David Platt.
Great book, even though Basham does attack a couple of pastors there that she misquotes. She is a journalist, after all, even though she is better than most of them.
There's also a documentary from former members of David Platt's church that was recently released. Very eye opening. It's on Youtube.
When Peter needed to cover taxes, God put the fee in a fish's mouth. When the 5000 were hungry, five loaves and two fish fed them with abundant excess. While the widow fed Elijah, her oil and flour never ran dry.
I despise that I still look for any other book but the Bible to tell me what God would have me do. I grew up hitting the library and Christian bookstores, perusing the shelves and consuming whatever seemed somewhat relevant.
All folly. They could not present God's Word better than He, and often they exchanged plain truth for the lies of the enemy.
Reminds me of something CS Lewis wrote “The student is half afraid to meet one of
the great philosophers face to face. He feels himself inadequate and thinks he will not understand him. But if he only knew, the great man, just because of his greatness, is much more intelligible than his modern commentator.”
Part of C.S Lewis’ Introduction to Athanasius: On the Incarnation
With the Gospel, the better you know the genuine article, the easier it is to spot the counterfeits and corruptions.
I really got some amazing things from it, but I didn't have the best experience. I knew going into it there might be shenanigans. I chose a study path to mostly learn Greek and Hebrew and spend time in the Biblical text, which is what was a big blessing.
That's really the main thing that seminaries should teach: Biblical languages and how to use software to research. To that we might add some classes on counseling and therapy from professionals that do that.
They have no business teaching people about how to be a pastor, how to minister, or how to serve in a church. You can't teach something like that in a classroom. The professionalization of ministry in the USA is a huge problem.
Furthermore, I recently read a book that points out all the money that is being thrown at seminaries and the Church to corrupt them. As a result, you have once formerly conservative seminaries promoting LGBTQ+, which 25 years ago would have been unthinkable.
I agree with you about seminary and the Biblical languages.
Learning Greek and Hebrew is very valuable. It is hard to learn those things outside of an academic setting. Then again most seminary graduates are not proficient in Greek or Hebrew.
Would you mind sharing what type of seminary you attended? I grew up in the Church of the Nazarene, and am now a member of a Southern Baptist Church (I'm definitely Calvinist leaning 😉).
I have serious concerns about the Southern Baptist Seminaries, and wouldn't dream of attending the Nazarene or Wesleyan seminaries. I'm also not impressed with the supposedly conservative PCA seminary or the Reformed (RTS) seminaries.
I actually attended a university (Church of Christ), but it's the equivalent of a seminary. Almost none of them at this point are actually fully theologically conservative, except for maybe a few smaller seminaries. I heard the seminary I attended now has professors that do not believe in the resurrection. Probably we had a couple that didn't when I went that kept it a secret.
For sure, you have elements of professors that are fully teaching and supporting the idea you can be homosexual and Christian and that you can marry same sex and be a part of the church. My nephew didn't get a degree in anything Bible related, but attended a conservative Church of Christ university. Bible professors there gave him books to tell him it was just fine for him to be a homosexual Christian.
I personally wouldn't do anything else seminary related. I toyed with getting a doctorate but I don't think I could stomach it. These days you can obtain Greek and Hebrew through online courses and there is some really powerful software out there. Logos does some pretty impressive stuff.
I have continued learning over the years through commentaries, journal articles, and study.
If I were you I would skip the seminaries altogether, find some resources online that will teach you Greek and Hebrew, and find a strong older Christian mentor that is a leader in a Church.
Rest assured that there will be people at a Seminary that have an agenda to brainwash you.
I went to a supposedly conservative evangelical university (Church of Nazarene), but studied Biology not Religion (back in the 1990s). The Biology professors all taught theistic evolution. My physics professor laughed at the Biology professors saying that they didn't understand that evolution doesn't make sense mathematically.
My Bible/Theology professors were all gender egalitarians (accepting women pastors). At least they didn't openly approve of homosexuality.
I've learned a lot over the last thirty years, reading the Bible, using various study tools like interlinear Bible, Strong, Vine, different translations etc. I've also learned a lot by reading Christian authors like CS Lewis, John Bunyan, Charles Spurgeon, RC Sproul, our host the SDL, and Dalrock.
One hundred percent agree. Or you can pay for logos, which has a ton of helps that are even better than that. Logos has pretty much anyone could ever need for Biblical research.
Overall, I'd not suggest any of the Lutheran or Catholic seminaries, either. The latter have had their faults laid bare, and I've known the former to churn out wildly inconsistent graduates.
We know that the enemy desires power, and we know that he hates our Lord and His flock. That the seminaries and councils should often be fonts of iniquity should not surprise us.
The average seminary graduate believes he's capable of deriving deep Scriptural insight with manufactured foundation while he's simultaneously trained to dismiss plainly written Biblical instruction with Talmudic skill. Do they yet have a class on embracing cognitive dissonance?
To be honest, I'd say the majority of Biblical scholars engage in cognitive dissonance on purpose. That's not a joke. There are some really good ones, but most of them get obliquely and subconsciously trained in a false epistemological foundation that causes this.
They are not aware of their bias at all. Once I engaged a scholar disseminating false information online about scripture. I told him epistemological foundation was all wrong and that was why he was drawing the wrong conclusions.
His answer: I'm not an epistemologist. He wasn't even aware of his philosophical foundation at all. Seminarians are mostly not taught basic logic or philosophy, and they certainly don't teach this at public schools. They have no idea they approach Biblical texts with a flat, enlightenment inspired materialist philosophical foundation.
Of course, some people can avoid the conditioning because they intuitively understand basic logic. But it's not as easy to avoid as you might think.
As young as seven, I remember my parents chiding me on choices saying they would either pay for college or "my first wedding."
No wonder I loved Don Quixote. I was fond of the scene where he addresses the prostitutes at the inn as ladies of high court. To dream the impossible dream.
Vox, do you have an advice for women from disadvantaged family background, where she is expected to be breadwinner for her siblings/parents because her parents are semi disabled and/or not having retirement?
My ex-wife (now passed away) was such a case. She expected me to also provide allowance to her mom (who was disabled and not having any retirement fund, and want to live separately. Her dad passed away and did not leave anything), if she quits her job and become SAHM...
I am from Asia (Singapore) , and from my observation in my social circle, those women that become SAHM usually are daughters from well-off family (No obligation of supporting parents)
If someone asks you for something you cannot reasonably provide, there is no need to agonize over a decision. The answer has to be no. Their problem is not your problem. And even with family, the future takes precedence over the past. Children come first.
Both my mom and my wife were in similar situations. My dad would send a monthly allowance to his in-laws, and I send large quarterly care packages of necessities that are hard to acquire in their home country. In both of their cases, marrying middle class worked fine for them without having to have a career. Maybe Vox has even better advice, but middle class Americans are so rich by other countries standards, that one income can support an extended family.
Peasants have to work. Peasants have always had to work.
The SAHM vs working mother is a modern Western concept. It involves the 30 percent of young women who historically married into the middle and upper-middle classes, but started going to college in the 1950s instead.
The upper class girls still don't work; they have play jobs until they decide to have kids.
Yeah, I think that is the working class dilemma. I personally want to have more kids (currently only 1), but my disadvantaged family background (Having poor parents and parent-in-law) preventing me for more
If I persist in doing that, I may not be able to retire at all. I think that having less children/childless for purpose of supporting one parents or elevating one's status is a legitimate reason...
Childless can be done temporarily, or permanently depending on the situation.
If you are a woman, elevating your status will give you access to men with higher social status (hypergamy rule). Rather than accepting whoever propose to you at the moment, many are waiting for that dream guy. Especially if the women come from disadvantaged family background and experienced poverty.
Alas, corpocracy is harsh on both genders. Midlife retrenchment changes all life plan. What is planned to be temporarily, become permanent.
Do not retire until your health goes. Avoid the retirement complexes. Kids are better security than the state. My cohort --I'm 10 years older than the host -- cannot retire because we need to provide for others.
My paternal great-grandparents were all born to immigrant sharecroppers whose land was owned by bankers who didn't speak their language. In the autumn, the men of their community as young as ten would make pilgrimage to Dallas to work through the winter while the women and children kept the home fires burning.
These great-grandparents grew up into the Dust Bowl and slaved their way through the Depression in one-room houses that would not know plumbing nor air conditioning until the mid-70's.
They each had several siblings and many children - five one the one side, and a dozen on the other. My grandpa and his older siblings left home as teenagers to get labor jobs, sending as much home as they could to provide for their younger brothers and sisters.
God provides for the foxes and the birds, and he provides for his children.
Going childless to elevate one's status is retarded. Might as well get addicted to meth while you're at it and go out with a rush. That's the fundamental problem right there.
Putting parents before children is entirely backward. That's the sin of the Covid-19 era.
Definitely it looked that way. But in the winner take all economy (corpocracy) , and those whose status not sufficiently high made redundant by system by midlife, it is risky venture for normal guys to have large family
To build another system outside corpocracy, I suppose one could not expect handout for one's family. So what many people do, is they give up one of them. Some are working for big tech, govt to generate enough income for one's family, which give elite more power,
Some like me are thinking to just opt out from the system, maybe relying on small business which is enough to sustain yourself only
You're missing the point. If you're not going to take the risks and build a family, then you're as unproductive as the meth addict who smokes himself into oblivion and dies before thirty.
"it is risky venture for normal guys to have large family". No shit. Qui audet adipiscitur. Risking for your family and people is the only worthwhile risk in life. With your attitude you may as well curl up in a ball and die today, rather than lead your life of abject desperation.
I am talking about large family. I used to support around 5-6 people at one time (myself, my dad, mom, wife, my kid plus personal assistant) , and I live in a big city so I knew how hard it is to support 10 people. U need either a member of parliament, artist, and successful enterpreneurs.
In US, may be you will need around 500-600k for such venture. Pls tell me what is the chance that u will earn such amount continuously for 20 years until your kids graduate?
Been noticing an uptick in trauma eyes on Instagram. These girls look soulless.
“ Your worst sin as that you have destroyed and betrayed yourself for nothing.” - Dostoevsky
I was not told once in my entire life that remaining a virgin until marriage was a good idea. The closest I got was "don't sleep around, because once you get a reputation as a slut, it stays with you."
I spent a large chunk of my youth - my prettiest, most energetic, best years - confused and aimless. I worked minimum wage jobs I hated. Luckily, my terror of student loan debt kept me from wasting even more of myself going to college. I think if I'd gone to college, I'd have fallen completely in the trap.
Pretty much the moment I fell in love with my husband, all my female instincts had an anchor to push against, and everything suddenly made sense. Loving a man who treated me like a woman shattered decades of feminist programming (that plus the eye opening advice I've gotten from people like Vox and Owen.)
I lost about a decade of my life - not too bad compared with what some women lose, but if this message can hit the youth and parents of young ones, all the better.
I also have Vox and Owen to thank for a lot of the good choices I made after I turned 25. Becoming a mother and getting married are two of them.
" Meltdown has a place for you as a schizophrenic HIV+ transsexual chinese-latino stim-addicted LA hooker with implanted mirrorshades and a bad attitude."
Hail, Mary! I know, I know, I’ll see myself out.
As a Catholic I approve of the first sentence.
Even as a non-Catholic, she is a great counter-example and solution to the degraded state of women.
The humble will be exalted.
The modern woman is in the state of the Prodigal Son in the parable. "If I return to my father's house and live as a house slave, I'll still be better off than I am here on my own." Of course, we as Christians know how the parable actually turns out. We need to take the lesson of the faithful son as well.
Look up Switzerland National Council Member Meret Schneider if you care to witness more horrors of feminism.
Wow, Swiss politics is worse for women than meth!
Feminism gave women the freedom to enter Gaiman's lair.
Good read, insightful, thanks. I got married at 20, will I be 40 next month. Long faithful marriage, honored to serve him. We both work but no kids. At 20 yo we ate the modern feminist view up , got married and said no kids. I aged and learned better and around anniversary year 10 I asked about kids. He said no. I asked again a few years later, he said no again, firmer this time. I haven't brought it up again, my husband spoke and I listened. I know I've met that wall and motherhood is out of my reach. What is the advice to someone with regret, who realizes they shunned their greatest duty but did so in obedience to their husbands wishes? The natural urge and longing to be a mother set in when the hypno fog lifted and I saw the modern lady take for what is was: sinister. You can't escape nature and I want to visit my younger self to school her and then slap her. She deserved to know there was a higher calling in motherhood. We both work, I have since was a teen non stop. I have a great protector and leader in my man. But got to be honest, what could have been is haunting me.
I went many years without a child. Spending time with my nieces and nephews was a godsend. Also teaching little ones in church. It’s not the same as having your own, but being loved and trusted by these children gave me real fulfillment and joy.
I don't have anything at all in the way of advice, but I'm praying for you right now. This is hard to even read. So sorry. Cling to Jesus and let Him comfort you. And, who knows? Maybe give you a little baby somehow. He's pretty amazing, and you're only forty.
My step mom had 2 daughters at 43. It's not over.
Use yourself as a cautionary tale and help young women see through the lies that would deprive them of marriage and motherhood.
The you who was is no more, and she cannot be helped. You will reap what you have sown, unless God grants the gifts he gave Sarai and Hannah.
However, there are many who could be spared this fate. They need to be guided, and you may be able to provide that guidance. Be friend, sister, mother, mentor to those whose choices are yet to be made and teach them not to suffer as you suffer. Where you can, aid them materially in doing what is best, so that their path may be smoothed and your advice may have life.
It takes great love to humble yourself for the sake of another in this way, and I pray the Lord bless you and strengthen you.
I honor you for your faithful submission to your husband. May the Lord bless you.
Like you, I feel the pain of childlessness. I'm 51, and have been married to my dear wife for 25 years. We both wanted children, but she had infertility issues. We should have probably adopted, but didn't. I have a lot of regret.
Your situation is different.
I am convinced that willful permanent barrenness is a very serious sin against God.
You didn't say whether or not the two of you are Christians, but in some ways it doesn't matter. The God of the Bible is the Creator of all, and His Moral Law applies to all.
I believe your husband has erred very badly, and defrauded you of your God given right to try to become a mother.
Exodus 21:10 tells that even the slave concubine wife in a polygamous household had certain Divinely mandated rights, including food, clothing, and marital rights of sexual intercourse (which clearly included the right to try to become a mother).
Those really are fundamental rights for a wife.
I'm glad you have seen the error of feminism. I encourage you to continue graciously submitting to your husband while also crying out to God to change his heart (see 1st Peter 3:1-2).
I'm sorry, but part of my response seems to have been cut off. I wanted to say that Exodus 21:10 tells us that the wife has a God given right to certain things, including food, clothing, and marital rights (right to sexual intercourse and the right to try to become a mother).
I encourage you to continue graciously submitting to your husband, while also fervently praying that God will grant him faith and repentance (see 1st Peter 3:1-2).
😱 Sorry for being a dumbass. My comment wasn't cut off like I thought.
You both work, but for what? The hedonist treadmill?
Did you bring this up with anyone else? If I heard a man say this to someone in her mid thirties, obviously it is the time to run.
So it seems of all fruits of the Enlightenment. The light blinds you to the thieves at your left and right, and the honeyed words glue you to the oars.
The lord of light would approve, no doubt.
As a teen, i was not allowed to get a normal job to earn pocket money. I was only allowed to babysit, do household chores, and then later take care of my 89 year old great grandmother. But my younger brother was encouraged to get a job, and the one he wanted most was city trash-bc they payed their high school boys very well. At the time, i was incensed: i was the only one that i knew of who had never held a "real" job. I thought my family was putting me at a disadvantage. But now i know they were giving me a huge edge. I was paid with personal checks, an amount close to what a home nurse would have made bc, to my family, they would rather the money go to family than a stranger. My brother's first paycheck was an eyeopener- 25% of it gone to taxes and other gov't programs. This is a very belated thank you to my parents and extended family for keeping me out of the system as much as possible, and for teaching me to love the work that truly matters.
In the coldest sense, this matter is a self correcting problem in the macro.
But, putting aside the ebb and flow of human suffering, on an individual level...
Women, flee from the the stayr's den, for he is a devourer of flesh, nothing will be left after his abuse, only a miracle will preserve your mind in a battered worn body.
Men, flee from the grotto of the nymph for she is a devourer of flesh, nothing will be left after her abuse, only a miracle will preserve your mind in a broken ragged body.
If you should become either nymph or satyr, then god help you and your victims.
It is madness to believe that being something less than a beast is preferable to husband or wife.
Only a chump believes forty years in a cubicle or office is "liberation." I don't have a career, I have a job. The best part of my day is when leave my job and return home to my family.
I have what people refer to as a "career," the best part of my day is also when I leave it and return home. Society wants you to pretend that jobs are careers and careers are callings. Very, very few people have callings.
At least, not callings that pay out.
I have to pay to do it. Opposite of a job, to work.
I would’ve been better off only being at home having a lot of children and grandchildren. But the feminist made what should’ve been my life down to just a few years.
I have been fighting against this since the 80s when I was 12 years old when I first heard that women “ had” to work. I managed to have my short few years, but it should’ve been a lifetime.
Having women do men’s jobs like firemen and policeman are killing everyone.
Not to mention 99.4% of sewer and water workers are men, and we would not have any drink without them so whoever says women need a man like a fish needs a bicycle needs to go on their own island and figure out a way to drink the water because water comes from men
Every drop of it.
Great point. And let's not forget how important the work of clean water and sewage removal has been in relation to nearly all diseases. Especially pandemic causing diseases.
Clean potable water and sanitation eliminated smallpox. Many dirty jobs of the world done by men have saved millions of lives.
I’ve just followed you if you could follow me back I think I’m gonna start writing about this. Janet Bloomfield. Wrote a book about this about how men really got the shaft. I want to start writing about this too. I want to tell the whole world the statistics of how badly women are doing in men men’s jobs!
Absolutely, sir! Garbage men are the number one person killed on duty even more so than firemen or policeman!
They get sick all the time and they get hit by cars all the time They have the number one most dangerous job and I don’t see any females trying to rush to do it!!!
Imagine if we had garbage piled everywhere ?!?
Do these women ever think of that? ?!?
I'm not quite sure when it was that I was taught to respect and appreciate garbage men, but I'm glad that value was instilled in me.
We will bury feminism when we start in the Church.
I went to a seminary 25 years ago. It was a conservative seminary in a conservative denomination.
We were taught in our entry level ministry class, for example, that a man should abandon his career for a few years and take care of the kids so his wife could take a few years to build her career. Along with a host of other feminist crap.
The result is that we see this junk pushed in our churches. Frankly, I was influenced by it and it caused all sorts of problems in the beginning of my marriage, because, of course, women do not actually want equality. They want a strong man to lead them. I wonder how many divorces their evil teachings caused.
Now we are finding out that a ton of this has been financed by Soros.
The church must become as opposed and vehement towards feminism as it is towards abortion.
Many talk about repealing the right to vote for women, but it'll start with the church actually teaching biblical teachings about men and women and living it out, instead of falling in line with, and teaching, Soros's agenda.
Then, much like we have with abortion, we'll obtain a victory in this area in politics and public policy.
What's amazing is that the people who practice Christianity as a profession didn't have the wisdom to heed the warnings in the first book of the Bible.
Soros is merely a servant to Satan so no need to beat around the bush with blaming soon to be dead humans. The agenda is Satan's and has been since the beginning.
Breaking up the family unit and causing man to sin has been the agenda all along to prepare for the final battle of good vs evil, which has a prophetic winner when Jesus returns.
Of course he is.
However, I think it shocked me to find out that a bunch of our so-called "leaders" are taking money from someone like Soros.
The point of talking about it is so that we understand that Christians should not trust most of the public leadership because they are on Satan's payroll. See David Platt, or Tim Keller, or Francis Collins, etc. etc. etc.
And your local church pastor might have been brainwashed at one of those seminaries.
It sounds like someone else is also reading "Shepherds for Sale" by Megan Basham, or listening to "Conversations that matter" with Jon Harris.
I use to respect Tim Kellar, until I read Dalrock take him down. Zachary Garris is also pretty good at taking Kellar down a couple notches in his books "Masculine Christianity" and "Honor your Fathers".
Jon Harris and AD Robles opened my eyes to David Platt.
Great book, even though Basham does attack a couple of pastors there that she misquotes. She is a journalist, after all, even though she is better than most of them.
There's also a documentary from former members of David Platt's church that was recently released. Very eye opening. It's on Youtube.
Yeah, I've seen the documentary on Platt. It's really eye opening.
When Peter needed to cover taxes, God put the fee in a fish's mouth. When the 5000 were hungry, five loaves and two fish fed them with abundant excess. While the widow fed Elijah, her oil and flour never ran dry.
The Lord provides. The enemy leases.
How bout they start preaching the gospel. And the rest will follow. What communion hath light with darkness?
I despise that I still look for any other book but the Bible to tell me what God would have me do. I grew up hitting the library and Christian bookstores, perusing the shelves and consuming whatever seemed somewhat relevant.
All folly. They could not present God's Word better than He, and often they exchanged plain truth for the lies of the enemy.
Reminds me of something CS Lewis wrote “The student is half afraid to meet one of
the great philosophers face to face. He feels himself inadequate and thinks he will not understand him. But if he only knew, the great man, just because of his greatness, is much more intelligible than his modern commentator.”
Part of C.S Lewis’ Introduction to Athanasius: On the Incarnation
With the Gospel, the better you know the genuine article, the easier it is to spot the counterfeits and corruptions.
Or to paraphrase Feynman, "I don't understand it well enough to explain it simply."
With regards to Feynman theres a reason since, QM is nonsense.
As a naive child, I joked that seminary is where the faithful go to become apostates. As a grown man, I lament it.
I really got some amazing things from it, but I didn't have the best experience. I knew going into it there might be shenanigans. I chose a study path to mostly learn Greek and Hebrew and spend time in the Biblical text, which is what was a big blessing.
That's really the main thing that seminaries should teach: Biblical languages and how to use software to research. To that we might add some classes on counseling and therapy from professionals that do that.
They have no business teaching people about how to be a pastor, how to minister, or how to serve in a church. You can't teach something like that in a classroom. The professionalization of ministry in the USA is a huge problem.
Furthermore, I recently read a book that points out all the money that is being thrown at seminaries and the Church to corrupt them. As a result, you have once formerly conservative seminaries promoting LGBTQ+, which 25 years ago would have been unthinkable.
I agree with you about seminary and the Biblical languages.
Learning Greek and Hebrew is very valuable. It is hard to learn those things outside of an academic setting. Then again most seminary graduates are not proficient in Greek or Hebrew.
Would you mind sharing what type of seminary you attended? I grew up in the Church of the Nazarene, and am now a member of a Southern Baptist Church (I'm definitely Calvinist leaning 😉).
I have serious concerns about the Southern Baptist Seminaries, and wouldn't dream of attending the Nazarene or Wesleyan seminaries. I'm also not impressed with the supposedly conservative PCA seminary or the Reformed (RTS) seminaries.
I actually attended a university (Church of Christ), but it's the equivalent of a seminary. Almost none of them at this point are actually fully theologically conservative, except for maybe a few smaller seminaries. I heard the seminary I attended now has professors that do not believe in the resurrection. Probably we had a couple that didn't when I went that kept it a secret.
For sure, you have elements of professors that are fully teaching and supporting the idea you can be homosexual and Christian and that you can marry same sex and be a part of the church. My nephew didn't get a degree in anything Bible related, but attended a conservative Church of Christ university. Bible professors there gave him books to tell him it was just fine for him to be a homosexual Christian.
I personally wouldn't do anything else seminary related. I toyed with getting a doctorate but I don't think I could stomach it. These days you can obtain Greek and Hebrew through online courses and there is some really powerful software out there. Logos does some pretty impressive stuff.
I have continued learning over the years through commentaries, journal articles, and study.
If I were you I would skip the seminaries altogether, find some resources online that will teach you Greek and Hebrew, and find a strong older Christian mentor that is a leader in a Church.
Rest assured that there will be people at a Seminary that have an agenda to brainwash you.
I went to a supposedly conservative evangelical university (Church of Nazarene), but studied Biology not Religion (back in the 1990s). The Biology professors all taught theistic evolution. My physics professor laughed at the Biology professors saying that they didn't understand that evolution doesn't make sense mathematically.
My Bible/Theology professors were all gender egalitarians (accepting women pastors). At least they didn't openly approve of homosexuality.
I've learned a lot over the last thirty years, reading the Bible, using various study tools like interlinear Bible, Strong, Vine, different translations etc. I've also learned a lot by reading Christian authors like CS Lewis, John Bunyan, Charles Spurgeon, RC Sproul, our host the SDL, and Dalrock.
You can go a long way with an interlinear text and Strong's.
One hundred percent agree. Or you can pay for logos, which has a ton of helps that are even better than that. Logos has pretty much anyone could ever need for Biblical research.
Overall, I'd not suggest any of the Lutheran or Catholic seminaries, either. The latter have had their faults laid bare, and I've known the former to churn out wildly inconsistent graduates.
We know that the enemy desires power, and we know that he hates our Lord and His flock. That the seminaries and councils should often be fonts of iniquity should not surprise us.
The average seminary graduate believes he's capable of deriving deep Scriptural insight with manufactured foundation while he's simultaneously trained to dismiss plainly written Biblical instruction with Talmudic skill. Do they yet have a class on embracing cognitive dissonance?
To be honest, I'd say the majority of Biblical scholars engage in cognitive dissonance on purpose. That's not a joke. There are some really good ones, but most of them get obliquely and subconsciously trained in a false epistemological foundation that causes this.
They are not aware of their bias at all. Once I engaged a scholar disseminating false information online about scripture. I told him epistemological foundation was all wrong and that was why he was drawing the wrong conclusions.
His answer: I'm not an epistemologist. He wasn't even aware of his philosophical foundation at all. Seminarians are mostly not taught basic logic or philosophy, and they certainly don't teach this at public schools. They have no idea they approach Biblical texts with a flat, enlightenment inspired materialist philosophical foundation.
Of course, some people can avoid the conditioning because they intuitively understand basic logic. But it's not as easy to avoid as you might think.
Beautiful rhetoric, beautiful prose.
As young as seven, I remember my parents chiding me on choices saying they would either pay for college or "my first wedding."
No wonder I loved Don Quixote. I was fond of the scene where he addresses the prostitutes at the inn as ladies of high court. To dream the impossible dream.
Vox, do you have an advice for women from disadvantaged family background, where she is expected to be breadwinner for her siblings/parents because her parents are semi disabled and/or not having retirement?
My ex-wife (now passed away) was such a case. She expected me to also provide allowance to her mom (who was disabled and not having any retirement fund, and want to live separately. Her dad passed away and did not leave anything), if she quits her job and become SAHM...
I am from Asia (Singapore) , and from my observation in my social circle, those women that become SAHM usually are daughters from well-off family (No obligation of supporting parents)
If someone asks you for something you cannot reasonably provide, there is no need to agonize over a decision. The answer has to be no. Their problem is not your problem. And even with family, the future takes precedence over the past. Children come first.
Both my mom and my wife were in similar situations. My dad would send a monthly allowance to his in-laws, and I send large quarterly care packages of necessities that are hard to acquire in their home country. In both of their cases, marrying middle class worked fine for them without having to have a career. Maybe Vox has even better advice, but middle class Americans are so rich by other countries standards, that one income can support an extended family.
Peasants have to work. Peasants have always had to work.
The SAHM vs working mother is a modern Western concept. It involves the 30 percent of young women who historically married into the middle and upper-middle classes, but started going to college in the 1950s instead.
The upper class girls still don't work; they have play jobs until they decide to have kids.
Yeah, I think that is the working class dilemma. I personally want to have more kids (currently only 1), but my disadvantaged family background (Having poor parents and parent-in-law) preventing me for more
If I persist in doing that, I may not be able to retire at all. I think that having less children/childless for purpose of supporting one parents or elevating one's status is a legitimate reason...
What the hell is the point of having status if you're not passing anything on to the next generation?
Kids are the real wealth, not money and titles.
Childless can be done temporarily, or permanently depending on the situation.
If you are a woman, elevating your status will give you access to men with higher social status (hypergamy rule). Rather than accepting whoever propose to you at the moment, many are waiting for that dream guy. Especially if the women come from disadvantaged family background and experienced poverty.
Alas, corpocracy is harsh on both genders. Midlife retrenchment changes all life plan. What is planned to be temporarily, become permanent.
Do not retire until your health goes. Avoid the retirement complexes. Kids are better security than the state. My cohort --I'm 10 years older than the host -- cannot retire because we need to provide for others.
My paternal great-grandparents were all born to immigrant sharecroppers whose land was owned by bankers who didn't speak their language. In the autumn, the men of their community as young as ten would make pilgrimage to Dallas to work through the winter while the women and children kept the home fires burning.
These great-grandparents grew up into the Dust Bowl and slaved their way through the Depression in one-room houses that would not know plumbing nor air conditioning until the mid-70's.
They each had several siblings and many children - five one the one side, and a dozen on the other. My grandpa and his older siblings left home as teenagers to get labor jobs, sending as much home as they could to provide for their younger brothers and sisters.
God provides for the foxes and the birds, and he provides for his children.
Your kids are your retirement.
Retire? You must have missed this -> "Peasants have to work. Peasants have always had to work."
Poverty sucks and people want to better their lives.
Yes, I've been working with that in mind for many years.
Going childless to elevate one's status is retarded. Might as well get addicted to meth while you're at it and go out with a rush. That's the fundamental problem right there.
Putting parents before children is entirely backward. That's the sin of the Covid-19 era.
Biblically, parents do come before children.
Where do you get that idea? Is it because we have a specific commandment to honor father and mother?
That doesn't mean that your duty to provide financially for parents supercedes your duty to provide for your own young children.
Temporally, for sure. But the purpose of parents is for their children and their children's children.
A good father raises up a child in the way he should go, sparing not discipline and storing up an inheritance for his children's children.
Definitely it looked that way. But in the winner take all economy (corpocracy) , and those whose status not sufficiently high made redundant by system by midlife, it is risky venture for normal guys to have large family
To build another system outside corpocracy, I suppose one could not expect handout for one's family. So what many people do, is they give up one of them. Some are working for big tech, govt to generate enough income for one's family, which give elite more power,
Some like me are thinking to just opt out from the system, maybe relying on small business which is enough to sustain yourself only
You're missing the point. If you're not going to take the risks and build a family, then you're as unproductive as the meth addict who smokes himself into oblivion and dies before thirty.
Only he'll probably have had a better time.
"it is risky venture for normal guys to have large family". No shit. Qui audet adipiscitur. Risking for your family and people is the only worthwhile risk in life. With your attitude you may as well curl up in a ball and die today, rather than lead your life of abject desperation.
I am talking about large family. I used to support around 5-6 people at one time (myself, my dad, mom, wife, my kid plus personal assistant) , and I live in a big city so I knew how hard it is to support 10 people. U need either a member of parliament, artist, and successful enterpreneurs.
In US, may be you will need around 500-600k for such venture. Pls tell me what is the chance that u will earn such amount continuously for 20 years until your kids graduate?