Female and I went to college for over 8 years. I counted it all as a big waste of time, until my son hit the 6th grade. The public school was a dumpster and his liberal teacher insinuating he needed medicated for ADHD, which was ridiculous, but she was probably medicated too (misery loves company). I thought to myself I have just as much "education" as the people who are supposedly teaching him, so I decided to Homeschool. So in a small way my clown world "credentials" paid off because I'm not sure if I would have had the thought that I could do better. I consider homeschooling in the top 3 wisest things I ever did as a parent, I try to encourage anyone I can to homeschool -- never met anyone who regrets it.
I can add a dose of boomer hate: like a dozen other guys my age, my boomer parents told my brothers and me that we were over 18 so if we wanted higher education, we could get to work to work on those bootstraps.
But I don't know one example of the upper-middle class girls my age getting the same treatment, only a couple whose parents were poor.
One of my sister's best friends is a shining example: supported through higher education until age 26, she went to work for three years, hated it, quit, married a guy with a great career, and now is very happy with three kids and running a local dog walking/sitting business.
I actually did something similar. Of my peer group, I was one of the first to get married and have children. I stayed home with my kids when they were young, then later finished my degree and entered the workforce professionally.
Having already experienced motherhood before entering corporate life gave me a perspective that a lot of my colleagues simply do not have because they lived life in the opposite order they were told was “correct”: education, career establishment, financial stability, then maybe family later.
Once you’ve already experienced family life, work stops feeling nearly as important as everyone around you insists it is. You become much more aware of how much life quietly disappears inside professional ambition and waiting for conditions to become perfect before allowing yourself to actually live.
Ironically, when I complain about work and jokingly ask my husband why I didn’t take him up on his offer to stay home, he playfully responds: “Because you’re not capable.” And honestly, he’s right. I do need intellectual stimulation and engagement outside the home.
But I’m also extremely grateful I experienced motherhood first because it anchored me before entering environments where career becomes people’s identity and primary source of meaning.
Now I’m in a strange position professionally because I often end up being the person younger women come to privately when they feel conflicted, overwhelmed, or quietly unhappy despite doing everything they were told would fulfill them.
A lot of women genuinely do not have older women around them anymore who openly discuss these tradeoffs honestly, without pretending there’s no cost to delaying family indefinitely.
At the same time, because I already have a family and lived the stay-at-home-mom life firsthand, I also understand how difficult and consuming that role really is. So I don’t romanticize either side. I understand the tradeoffs very clearly.
I think having lived family life first actually allows me to appreciate what work does provide me now: intellectual stimulation, perspective, adult engagement, structure, problem solving, and a world outside my own household.
In a strange way, I feel like I ended up with the best of both worlds because of the order I lived them in. I don’t feel deprived of family because I already have it, and I don’t feel consumed by career because I know it is not the center of life.
It also means I largely don’t participate in the status games that burn so many people out professionally. Management has told me more than once that a “yes” from me carries weight precisely because I’m comfortable saying “no.”
As wont to do, up I'll talk about myself. High level career and children are incompatible. I was told to just "lean in," and CEO so and so of Large Company can do it! Well, I'm not a CEO of a large company. The exception proves the rule, guys. nor do I want to plan my life's calendar in 15 min increments and immediately work on grants when the baby is asleep, as was recommended by a female PI at my university. Anyways, we can't do both well. PhD was pretty useless; just a detour in life.
That is sufficient to indicate the quoted author’s unseriousness. The atavist spirit of perpetual revolution is fundamentally satanic. Same edenic roots as female self-empowerment through “education”.
My wife’s sorority sisters and college friends MAYBE average 1 child each. One girl had an abortion in college and is now 40 lamenting that she might not be able to have kids.
She teased and strung along a delta 5 or 6 in college. He inherited a decent sum and now lives comfortably with a less attractive woman who gave him 1 kid.
Imagine a world wherein she got knocked up by him when she was 23, dropped out of college and had 4 kids.
Instead she’s hit the wall hard and her real estate career hasn’t made her happy or wealthy.
Conversely, my best friend from high school got married right out of high school, went to work at a prison, had two kids and is now 42 and has 2 grandkids already.
Not kidmaxxing but 2 grandkids at 42 sounds awesome. He looks exactly like he did when we played football except with some salt in his beard.
She wasnt attracted to him. He should’ve found someone who was earlier and she never shouldve aborted her alpha baby. Society couldve shotgunned wedding them.
The damage is twofold. For one it makes hypergamy even harder to satisfy and the credential usually is accompanied by a staggering amount of debt. So you end up with a woman for high demands for a man and comes with debt service.
The scam of the system is there aren't a lot of careers that have a wage expectation that justify the cost of being credentialed to pursue it. There's no shortage of women though who'd pay out the nose to say, "It's Dr., actually."
Spot on. I mean all of these career boss babes essentially fill spreadsheets, drink coffee, smoke cigarettes and bicker about the air conditioner settings. Girl, you ain't important...
It's interesting. The women have to get degrees so they can support themselves financially. It's almost like staying in their father's home and looking for an older wealthier man was right all along.
We need a school certificate exam you need to pass for high school at 13 and then a leaving certificate you have to pass to graduate high school. And apprenticeship systems. Which is what Germany had before the boomers.
German apprenticeships are paid, employer covers training costs, and start at age 16, including nursing and teaching. All countries should adopt the the apprenticeship system.
But then, traditional women and families are having children above the replacement rate while while highly educated left wing women are way below. The children coming up will simply replace those of left wingers.
I work in the commercial real estate industry at a very liberal global company that attracts highly educated, career-oriented women. Family life is often treated as secondary to professional achievement, at least until biology abruptly forces the issue.
Over the years, I’ve watched multiple women in their mid-to-late 30s suddenly run into fertility issues after years of being told to focus on career first. Then, once they do finally have children, many experience an existential crisis trying to reconcile motherhood with the demands of the profession.
Within just the last few months alone, I’ve had three female colleagues with young children resign. One had only recently returned from maternity leave. All three specifically cited the inability to balance motherhood with the demands of the job.
I sometimes feel like a sleeper cell in enemy territory because my organization’s values are fundamentally misaligned with my own. I’ve asked God more than once why I’m here. The answer He keeps telling me is that I’m planted where I am supposed to be so I can be a resource for women who feel lost and conflicted, and so I can give them permission to acknowledge what they actually want instead of what they’ve been told they should want.
I regularly encourage younger women to prioritize their health and fertility earlier than society currently encourages them to. I tell them to use the company fertility benefits now, while there is still time, just to establish a baseline and understand where they stand biologically. I also inform them that women’s fertility actually starts to decline at 25, not 35 years old, so don’t wait. Women are repeatedly told they have unlimited time which isn’t true. I encourage them to start now, not later.
I use myself as an example. There’s ten years between my oldest and youngest children, and I genuinely grieve the ten extra years of life I could have had with my youngest son if I had had him earlier.
One success story I have is of a younger colleague who had been with her fiancé since high school. She was regularly working late and fully absorbed into the professional track. Her fiancé finally told her something along the lines of: “I work hard to provide this life for us, but I need you here. You need to decide what you actually want.”
At the same time, there was another older colleague quietly accepting the reality that she was too old to have children.
I told the younger colleague very directly: you do not want to wake up one day like our other colleague and realize you waited too long because everyone around you told you career should come first. You have your entire life to work. You do not have your entire life to have children. She told me I was the first person to ever tell her not wait to have children.
She listened. They got married. She became pregnant, left the industry, and is now home raising two young children.
What I increasingly see from the inside is not women rejecting motherhood outright, but women being socially conditioned to delay until their life conditions are perfect. They want to be established in their career. They want to have the home perfectly curated. They want to make a certain amount of money to maintain their lifestyle. All those things take, and waste, precious, precious time. And to further exacerbate the problem, society reassures them they can wait until they’re 35+ which isn’t true.
I’m just one voice wading through an ocean of naive, lost souls, but I believe we are all called to gather up the lost sheep placed directly in front of us, one at a time.
"She listened. They got married. She became pregnant, left the industry, and is now home raising two young children."
That's a bigger societal contribution than what your company pays you to do. There might be whole clans who exist because you deflected young women from the sterile career path.
Female and I went to college for over 8 years. I counted it all as a big waste of time, until my son hit the 6th grade. The public school was a dumpster and his liberal teacher insinuating he needed medicated for ADHD, which was ridiculous, but she was probably medicated too (misery loves company). I thought to myself I have just as much "education" as the people who are supposedly teaching him, so I decided to Homeschool. So in a small way my clown world "credentials" paid off because I'm not sure if I would have had the thought that I could do better. I consider homeschooling in the top 3 wisest things I ever did as a parent, I try to encourage anyone I can to homeschool -- never met anyone who regrets it.
I can add a dose of boomer hate: like a dozen other guys my age, my boomer parents told my brothers and me that we were over 18 so if we wanted higher education, we could get to work to work on those bootstraps.
But I don't know one example of the upper-middle class girls my age getting the same treatment, only a couple whose parents were poor.
One of my sister's best friends is a shining example: supported through higher education until age 26, she went to work for three years, hated it, quit, married a guy with a great career, and now is very happy with three kids and running a local dog walking/sitting business.
I was told your degree is a bank account - do any of you go back to work after your kids graduate? I’m honestly it sure I’ll ever use it
I actually did something similar. Of my peer group, I was one of the first to get married and have children. I stayed home with my kids when they were young, then later finished my degree and entered the workforce professionally.
Having already experienced motherhood before entering corporate life gave me a perspective that a lot of my colleagues simply do not have because they lived life in the opposite order they were told was “correct”: education, career establishment, financial stability, then maybe family later.
Once you’ve already experienced family life, work stops feeling nearly as important as everyone around you insists it is. You become much more aware of how much life quietly disappears inside professional ambition and waiting for conditions to become perfect before allowing yourself to actually live.
Ironically, when I complain about work and jokingly ask my husband why I didn’t take him up on his offer to stay home, he playfully responds: “Because you’re not capable.” And honestly, he’s right. I do need intellectual stimulation and engagement outside the home.
But I’m also extremely grateful I experienced motherhood first because it anchored me before entering environments where career becomes people’s identity and primary source of meaning.
Now I’m in a strange position professionally because I often end up being the person younger women come to privately when they feel conflicted, overwhelmed, or quietly unhappy despite doing everything they were told would fulfill them.
A lot of women genuinely do not have older women around them anymore who openly discuss these tradeoffs honestly, without pretending there’s no cost to delaying family indefinitely.
At the same time, because I already have a family and lived the stay-at-home-mom life firsthand, I also understand how difficult and consuming that role really is. So I don’t romanticize either side. I understand the tradeoffs very clearly.
I think having lived family life first actually allows me to appreciate what work does provide me now: intellectual stimulation, perspective, adult engagement, structure, problem solving, and a world outside my own household.
In a strange way, I feel like I ended up with the best of both worlds because of the order I lived them in. I don’t feel deprived of family because I already have it, and I don’t feel consumed by career because I know it is not the center of life.
It also means I largely don’t participate in the status games that burn so many people out professionally. Management has told me more than once that a “yes” from me carries weight precisely because I’m comfortable saying “no.”
As wont to do, up I'll talk about myself. High level career and children are incompatible. I was told to just "lean in," and CEO so and so of Large Company can do it! Well, I'm not a CEO of a large company. The exception proves the rule, guys. nor do I want to plan my life's calendar in 15 min increments and immediately work on grants when the baby is asleep, as was recommended by a female PI at my university. Anyways, we can't do both well. PhD was pretty useless; just a detour in life.
A century of women's voting data across multiple countries prove the primary political concern of women voters is to murder their children.
Right, and before that they were siccing the police on their husbands for having a beer after work.
“raising the next generation of change-makers”
That is sufficient to indicate the quoted author’s unseriousness. The atavist spirit of perpetual revolution is fundamentally satanic. Same edenic roots as female self-empowerment through “education”.
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My wife’s sorority sisters and college friends MAYBE average 1 child each. One girl had an abortion in college and is now 40 lamenting that she might not be able to have kids.
She teased and strung along a delta 5 or 6 in college. He inherited a decent sum and now lives comfortably with a less attractive woman who gave him 1 kid.
Imagine a world wherein she got knocked up by him when she was 23, dropped out of college and had 4 kids.
Instead she’s hit the wall hard and her real estate career hasn’t made her happy or wealthy.
Conversely, my best friend from high school got married right out of high school, went to work at a prison, had two kids and is now 42 and has 2 grandkids already.
Not kidmaxxing but 2 grandkids at 42 sounds awesome. He looks exactly like he did when we played football except with some salt in his beard.
Cool story, bro. No one gives a damn. Sounds like a normal story of life.
Is your high school best friend still married?
She wasnt attracted to him. He should’ve found someone who was earlier and she never shouldve aborted her alpha baby. Society couldve shotgunned wedding them.
She made out with him on more than one occasion. Sort of easy to understand how the guy thought he had a chance.
The Amish and the Taliban get it.
The damage is twofold. For one it makes hypergamy even harder to satisfy and the credential usually is accompanied by a staggering amount of debt. So you end up with a woman for high demands for a man and comes with debt service.
The scam of the system is there aren't a lot of careers that have a wage expectation that justify the cost of being credentialed to pursue it. There's no shortage of women though who'd pay out the nose to say, "It's Dr., actually."
A job became a "career" to sell the scam to the chumps
Spot on. I mean all of these career boss babes essentially fill spreadsheets, drink coffee, smoke cigarettes and bicker about the air conditioner settings. Girl, you ain't important...
It's interesting. The women have to get degrees so they can support themselves financially. It's almost like staying in their father's home and looking for an older wealthier man was right all along.
We need a school certificate exam you need to pass for high school at 13 and then a leaving certificate you have to pass to graduate high school. And apprenticeship systems. Which is what Germany had before the boomers.
German apprenticeships are paid, employer covers training costs, and start at age 16, including nursing and teaching. All countries should adopt the the apprenticeship system.
But then, traditional women and families are having children above the replacement rate while while highly educated left wing women are way below. The children coming up will simply replace those of left wingers.
Pithy. Poignant. Profound. Thank you.
I work in the commercial real estate industry at a very liberal global company that attracts highly educated, career-oriented women. Family life is often treated as secondary to professional achievement, at least until biology abruptly forces the issue.
Over the years, I’ve watched multiple women in their mid-to-late 30s suddenly run into fertility issues after years of being told to focus on career first. Then, once they do finally have children, many experience an existential crisis trying to reconcile motherhood with the demands of the profession.
Within just the last few months alone, I’ve had three female colleagues with young children resign. One had only recently returned from maternity leave. All three specifically cited the inability to balance motherhood with the demands of the job.
I sometimes feel like a sleeper cell in enemy territory because my organization’s values are fundamentally misaligned with my own. I’ve asked God more than once why I’m here. The answer He keeps telling me is that I’m planted where I am supposed to be so I can be a resource for women who feel lost and conflicted, and so I can give them permission to acknowledge what they actually want instead of what they’ve been told they should want.
I regularly encourage younger women to prioritize their health and fertility earlier than society currently encourages them to. I tell them to use the company fertility benefits now, while there is still time, just to establish a baseline and understand where they stand biologically. I also inform them that women’s fertility actually starts to decline at 25, not 35 years old, so don’t wait. Women are repeatedly told they have unlimited time which isn’t true. I encourage them to start now, not later.
I use myself as an example. There’s ten years between my oldest and youngest children, and I genuinely grieve the ten extra years of life I could have had with my youngest son if I had had him earlier.
One success story I have is of a younger colleague who had been with her fiancé since high school. She was regularly working late and fully absorbed into the professional track. Her fiancé finally told her something along the lines of: “I work hard to provide this life for us, but I need you here. You need to decide what you actually want.”
At the same time, there was another older colleague quietly accepting the reality that she was too old to have children.
I told the younger colleague very directly: you do not want to wake up one day like our other colleague and realize you waited too long because everyone around you told you career should come first. You have your entire life to work. You do not have your entire life to have children. She told me I was the first person to ever tell her not wait to have children.
She listened. They got married. She became pregnant, left the industry, and is now home raising two young children.
What I increasingly see from the inside is not women rejecting motherhood outright, but women being socially conditioned to delay until their life conditions are perfect. They want to be established in their career. They want to have the home perfectly curated. They want to make a certain amount of money to maintain their lifestyle. All those things take, and waste, precious, precious time. And to further exacerbate the problem, society reassures them they can wait until they’re 35+ which isn’t true.
I’m just one voice wading through an ocean of naive, lost souls, but I believe we are all called to gather up the lost sheep placed directly in front of us, one at a time.
"She listened. They got married. She became pregnant, left the industry, and is now home raising two young children."
That's a bigger societal contribution than what your company pays you to do. There might be whole clans who exist because you deflected young women from the sterile career path.