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Stonewall's avatar

What was lacking in this summary?

Natural AF's avatar

Gammahacking: What if AI could create its own buffering solipsistic spiral that would counteract those midwit solipsistic spirals like an engine noise cancellation speaker system that nullifies sound with equal and counter vibrational sound?

BodrevBodrev's avatar

Claude, Claude on the wall, who is the Sigmest Sigma of them all?

Cube Cubis's avatar

even if it were written in 90 IQ it will not stop them from saying they saw a short dutch man or an Indian that used deodorant

Jeremiah Attento's avatar

I’ve always believed AI merely amplifies what’s already in one’s head. Unfortunately, for those who struggle or refuse to understand the SSH, AI will only compound their misunderstanding and dislike of it. AI is heavily dependent on user input, and if the input is flawed one should not expect to get stellar output.

Dan in Alabama's avatar

*“If you can accurately identify the behavioral patterns of the men around you—or, more importantly, your own—you can anticipate how conflicts will play out,”*

Ugh. It’s pretty obvious AIs are being trained on Reddit.

Steel McNeil's avatar

"The most practically valuable aspect may be its diagnostic power: a man who honestly identifies his own pattern can stop wasting energy on delusions about where he ranks and start making decisions grounded in reality"

Ah yes navel gazing, always pratically valuable

Balkan Yankee's avatar

But AI can give us clever mnemonics concerning the SSH: Alert Sentinels Bring Discipline, Guarding Outer Limits.

Jim's avatar

AI is really good at estimating your IQ by how you think based upon your conversations with it. The more conversations and the more topics posed, the better the accuracy. After multiple hours of conversing with it, it nailed my IQ range with a plus or minus 5. In other words, all three IQ tests I’ve taken fell within the 10 point range it told me I was in. Not only that, it told me why. Pretty incredible.

SKY DOG's avatar

Vox just causally drops this distraction bomb and walks away. Much like "have some outstanding novels" delivered to my inbox. PER WEEK.

Anyway, here's the start of my model A/B test since I have created a poor man's SSH corpus for RAG: https://claude.ai/share/71c9aa14-1f38-4822-bed5-ed0467106414

"Brief Conclusion

The SSH is a behavioral taxonomy, not a status ranking. Its core utility is predictive: once you correctly identify a man's pattern, you can anticipate how he will behave under pressure, in conflict, around women, and inside an organization. The keystone is the Alpha; the other six ranks define themselves by their orientation toward him — service, followership, resentment, indifference, opting-out, or exclusion. Self-identification is the least reliable signal; sustained observation of behavior by others is the most reliable."

(Opus 4.7)

Joe Katzman's avatar

I am far, far less convinced than Claude that you can learn to become an Alpha. There are so many low-level instinctive decisions involved in that, it’s like saying “I can learn to be a professional athlete in (new sport) at age 20, from zero.”

There might even be some people who can. But if we’re talking odds, you’re probably better off with the lottery ticket.

Captain Kipps's avatar

The latter group does exist. But they’re exceptionally few. I remember this one book from around 2014 examining sports and genes. This one guy was 4 beers in and was dared to do a makeshift pole jump. On his first try, he broke an Olympic record. He’d never done anything like it before. It was caught on a phone and the talent scouts swooped in and picked him up.

But that’s an ADHD tangent with a sprinkle of autism. The SSH reflects the personal architecture of one’s soul. The behaviors you see in very small children are likely the same behaviors they’ll carry into old age. Aspects of personality, mental processes, social preferences, strengths and weaknesses, etc…Stuff can change to a certain degree but not by much. You can try faking alpha, but that facade will break under pressure. Especially the further you are from the pinnacle of the SSH. A mere paint job won’t change the contents of the motor or transmission.

ScuzzaMan's avatar

Genetics sets the upper bounds of potential and habits set the level of manifestation.

I'd have said upper and lower but we can always damage ourselves physically, chemically, spiritually, etc. so it's only the upper bounds that matter much, imo.

SKY DOG's avatar
4hEdited

There is something deeply genetic to Alpha--that's my direct observation. There is no pathway to natural Alphaness.

Captain Kipps's avatar

Last time I checked, nobody’s operating a factory that can magically transform an Omega into an Alpha. You can’t Skinner “Black Box” your way into doing it.

Jim's avatar

Proof that some people shouldn’t be using AI.

Okrahead's avatar

The problem is not that they cannot understand.

The problem is that they refuse to understand.

There are none so blind as those who refuse to see.

Drewie's avatar

High/Mid/Low IQ doesn't even matter. There isn't anything that can stop a low status man from spiraling into self-ratings. Every topic circles back to them.

In the article about birth rates and female education, good dude reframed it around his dating game. Like who reads that and thinks about his day game? This is madness!

Captain Kipps's avatar

I agree that the concepts aren’t inherently difficult to understand based on IQ. Though, a higher IQ would help someone understand the finer points of the SSH. Like what it is and what it isn’t. Those with IQs of 100 or maybe even 85 might be able to comprehend it better than some with IQs of 115 or 130.

The midwit has all the cognitive tools necessary to understand the SSH. It’s a question of can he entertain the notion of it. Without ego and/or laziness getting in the way.

https://youtube.com/shorts/aWtNUWpN6Xw?si=

Drewie's avatar

"I agree that the concepts aren’t inherently difficult to understand based on IQ"

Good for you, but that's not what I was talking about.

Captain Kipps's avatar

My bad, I read that first sentence and got carried away.

MBCC's avatar

Reminds me of listening to a residential realtor try to explain how development or commercial properties are valued. Can sound reasonable and competent to the untrained person but it would get you in trouble quick if you actually tried to use what they say in a real world situation.

Of course they are probably never going to operate in the arena so it’s harmless. We see in here every day that it’s not the case with the SSH.

Captain Kipps's avatar

Seems this occurs a lot when “fake it, until you make it” is the cultural ethos of a society. All is cosmetic and malleable and can be changed by one’s personal desire. Anyone could be an Alpha if they merely worked hard (or rather paid enough) to become one. Why should this be any different to all the fun surgical modifications out there?

It’s funny though, I’ve seen people cherry pick Myers-Briggs personality types. But never with Zodiac signs. The latter is fixed by birth year.

ScuzzaMan's avatar

We need a montage.

Gridhunter's avatar

People gonna people.

Midwits gonna midwit.

May as well ask water if it would oblige by not being so wet.

The Rogue Roman's avatar

I’ve been trying to write a fictional Sigma character with Claude Opus providing guidance to make sure I don’t drift out of the Sigma archetype, which is foreign to me, so I need the help.

So far it has told me he can’t laugh or admire sunrises or be aware of his own status in any way whatsoever. Very unhelpful.